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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hurricane Irma photo from ISS
« on: September 11, 2017, 01:27:47 PM »That looks so fake.
Your argument has not convinced me to change my opinion.
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Your argument has not convinced me to change my opinion.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Old video footage of space
« on: September 11, 2017, 03:56:59 AM »
I know right, we went to the moon and we can't hire some Mexico cliff divers to do acrobatics in our new almost zero g room. We had the best movie production and editing teams in the world. Ringling Bros. was a hit, now it's Cirque du Soleil ah la Vegas baby.
You still don't offer any plausible explanation to his questions. "we had the best movie...teams". Sure, his point was that no film technique of that time could have made the footage. And by choosing an example from a time predating CGI, he excludes that as a possible excuse. Computers at that time output on punch cards, paper tape, and monitors with two colors.
Also, do you deny that the Skylab mission actually took place? Just curious.
BTW, to the original poster, great examples of the conservation of angular momentum!
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Flat Earth Theory / Hurricane Irma photo from ISS
« on: September 11, 2017, 03:46:04 AM »
Great picture here of Irma from ISS
From web page http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/irma-hurricane-space-photo-images-pictures-astronaut-jose-harvey-randy-bresnik-a7938711.html
I like this pic since it contains curvature of Earth and straight lines along the solar panels on the right side.
Is the FET explanation to dismiss this as yet another NASA forgery? If so I'm curious, if there is a widely held opinion that all of the images from space of the hurricane are believed to be forged. Anyone who believes this must think NASA has a pretty vast group of CGI artists working around the clock faking up all these images with three major hurricanes over the recent weeks.
From web page http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/irma-hurricane-space-photo-images-pictures-astronaut-jose-harvey-randy-bresnik-a7938711.html
I like this pic since it contains curvature of Earth and straight lines along the solar panels on the right side.
Is the FET explanation to dismiss this as yet another NASA forgery? If so I'm curious, if there is a widely held opinion that all of the images from space of the hurricane are believed to be forged. Anyone who believes this must think NASA has a pretty vast group of CGI artists working around the clock faking up all these images with three major hurricanes over the recent weeks.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Disproof: Clouds lit from below at sunset.
« on: September 11, 2017, 03:35:55 AM »
Great example photos. Can't wait to hear an FE explanation 
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Old video footage of space
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:37:38 PM »
That does not apply to the questions that I raised about the video footage from Sky Lab in 1974. Wires would have become tangled during the maneuvers in the video from 1:18-1:43. This still does not provide evidence that the Sky Lab video was faked.
Thank you,
Critical Thinker
The typical responses you get to logical questions makes me want to reword something from Adam Savage from Mythbusters. I reject your reality and substitute nothing in its place.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question about the motion of the Moon
« on: September 10, 2017, 03:56:56 PM »Can someone explain to me how the Moon supposedly bobs up and down? (resulting in the solar eclipse)
The problems I see:
There has to be a force acting on the Moon to cause it to dip below the Sun since they normally share the same orbital height.
The Moon should look larger when it is closer to us and yet it doesn't. (no, the optical illusion of a large Moon on the horizon doesn't count. If you take a picture, you'll see the Moon is actually the same size)
How is it that the Moon and Sun haven't collided?
If the Sun and Moon orbit each other, what would ever cause the Moon to dip below and move across the Sun? That would be like the Moon dipping below the south pole and coming up the other side in the round Earth scenario.
Many thanks!
The plane of the moon's orbit around the Earth is slightly inclined from the plane of the Earth's orbit around the sun. So the moon crosses the Earth's orbit plane twice a month. We get eclipses when that crossing happens at new moon (solar eclipse) and full moon (lunar eclipse). Check http://moonblink.info/Eclipse/why/cycles for a full description of the planes and the orbits.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 10, 2017, 04:08:31 AM »Correct, if I can make it there, will be a few days ahead of the equinox. But still fairly close, thanks.
The deviation North for both the sunset and sunrise is the same. The angles are the same, just mirror image of each other. In your case, both are 34° (N) of due East and due West.
The autumnal equinox is September 22. Next week will be a little early but shouldn't make much difference. Stay safe and good luck with your measurements.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 09, 2017, 03:34:03 PM »
Trying to understand the math here. I understand the 0.01111 now as it is basically a multiplier used to convert number of degrees of latitude into a distance from the north pole, in order to find the length of one of the legs of the right triangle.
What is the 57.3 number supposed to represent?
Taking that number for granted, using the latitude 30.22749 (N) this formula calculates to a value of 56 degrees (rounded) north of west (sunset example), which then equates to a compass heading of 304 degrees. That would be roughly north west. Do you agree with that result?
57.3 is to convert the results from radians to degrees. It's 180/Pi
My results for latitude 30.22749 (N) is 34° (rounded) north of West. Not sure what happened. You can PM me if you'd like or I can send you my Excel spreadsheet.
I did get the same math result (34 degrees rounded) I just didn't describe it well. I had 56 being the compass heading for sun rise (34 degrees from due east, 90-34=56) then I changed to talking about sun set. Sorry for the confusing result.
If the hurricane clears out soon enough I will be able to visit the ocean next week and I'll take a compass with me to check this. And I will adjust for the magnetic variance. Thanks.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 07, 2017, 08:07:21 PM »
Formula to calculate sunrise, sunset position for the unipolar flat Earth model.
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Deviation (N°) from due West = Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 111.1 / 10,000) * 57.3
= Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 0.01111) * 57.3
The same formula can be used to calculate the deviation (N) due East at sunrise.
Trying to understand the math here. I understand the 0.01111 now as it is basically a multiplier used to convert number of degrees of latitude into a distance from the north pole, in order to find the length of one of the legs of the right triangle.
What is the 57.3 number supposed to represent?
Taking that number for granted, using the latitude 30.22749 (N) this formula calculates to a value of 56 degrees (rounded) north of west (sunset example), which then equates to a compass heading of 304 degrees. That would be roughly north west. Do you agree with that result?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 07, 2017, 05:03:51 PM »There is a difference between Flat Earth Society (http://www.tfes.org/), and THE Flat Earth Society (https://theflatearthsociety.org)
I would suspect it's run by the Flat Earth Society that runs the other forum. Why they have two forums, I don't know. Those guys are over here for reference.
Is this for real?
The Twitter home for @FlatEarthOrg that I referred to points to tfes.org (this site) as their homepage and also links to faq.tfes.org. So I believe am I addressing the correct site.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 07, 2017, 04:35:44 PM »I didn't make any statement about the authors or ownership of the YouTube video's where I made comments.
I've asked the question on a few YouTube video comments and on Twitter without a response. Thought I might have more luck on their forum.
We don't have a YouTube, and I imagine you may have had the wrong Twitter account. So, "their" forum may be a bit of a misnomer.
The Twitter account I was referring to is @FlatEarthOrg which is listed as belonging to Flat Earth Society (with Twitter's verification indicated). Is that not the same organization that operates this web site and forum?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 07, 2017, 12:18:24 AM »
Sorry, but such equations don't exist. FE doesn't even have a definitive map, much less the ability to make the equations for the purpose of fulfilling your request.
I've asked the question on a few YouTube video comments and on Twitter without a response. Thought I might have more luck on their forum.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 06, 2017, 05:27:15 PM »timeanddate.com
I've been to that site, which is based on RE math. I am looking for an equivalent from the FE community based on the math behind their models.
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Flat Earth Theory / Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 06, 2017, 04:22:47 PM »
I have seen the FE animation with the sun&moon spinning around the north pole with a circle of lighted area beneath the sun. I am trying to look at a specific spot on the globe into order to judge the angle to the sun from that point when the terminator line crosses and that spot becomes dark in the evening.
The animations I have seen are of small scale, and I can get a general idea of the direction. I wish to find something more specific. Where is there a resource for this information? I want to enter a location and date in order to get the compass direction to the sunrise/sunset and the times for that date/location. Basically looking for something based on the math behind the map, rather than just the animation.
The animations I have seen are of small scale, and I can get a general idea of the direction. I wish to find something more specific. Where is there a resource for this information? I want to enter a location and date in order to get the compass direction to the sunrise/sunset and the times for that date/location. Basically looking for something based on the math behind the map, rather than just the animation.