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« Reply #9540 on: July 01, 2022, 03:59:04 PM »
Why are you perpetuating hearsay and a story that has been flatly denied by senior officials with the Secret Service?

First, it was denied by one of Trump's Royal guardsman toadies. Secondly I don't give a crap about her or this testimony. We have Bob Barr, Ivanka and many others on tape talking about the lie. They were lying specifically to get the willfully ignorant redneck subnormals to believe this stupid shit. They knew it was a lie but they knew they could convince dumbasses that it was the truth.


These hearings are just fodder, designed to keep everyone's attention off the fact the US is totally broke, our Democratic Socialist NAZI's are keeping Democratic Socialist NAZI's in power in Ukraine, in order to promulgate and perpetuate human trafficking and the slave trade, along with bioweapons manufacture.

Why are you perpetuating Russian propaganda specifically designed to damage our democracy and a story that has been flatly denied by senior officials with the Secret Service?

I grew up in a conservative state. I'm a conservative Libertarian. But I will never vote for another one of those traitorous piece of shit Republicans ever again for the rest of my life.

You and all these Qanon losers are a big joke. Some of us are involved in the situation in ways you can't imagine and we know the real truth. Disinformation is the weapon of the future and it'll be carried by zombie armies of the stupid.
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« Reply #9541 on: July 01, 2022, 04:04:19 PM »
Democratic Socialist NAZI's

Are you sure putting those 3 words together makes any kind of sense?  I'd throw in fascist and globalist too, just to be extra sure it's utter rubbish.
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« Reply #9542 on: July 01, 2022, 04:07:42 PM »
Democratic Socialist NAZI's

Are you sure putting those 3 words together makes any kind of sense?  I'd throw in fascist and globalist too, just to be extra sure it's utter rubbish.

Don't forget pedophile, transvestite, cannibal also.
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« Reply #9543 on: July 01, 2022, 04:12:29 PM »
Why are you perpetuating hearsay and a story that has been flatly denied by senior officials with the Secret Service?

Has it been denied by someone under oath? For the lady who delivered this to the J6 committee was under oath. Are you accusing her of perjury?

There's footage which allegedly shows Trump, in the vehicle, lunging toward the front seats of the vehicle, which would appear to corroborate her account. It's on twitter somewhere, saw it this morning, will post a link soon.

Also, Trump's pushback followed the same self-contradictory pattern as many statements in the past - "I barely knew her" / "had hardly heard of here", but two paragraphs later - "I instructed her personally to...."
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« Reply #9544 on: July 01, 2022, 04:48:32 PM »
Democratic Socialist NAZI's

Are you sure putting those 3 words together makes any kind of sense?  I'd throw in fascist and globalist too, just to be extra sure it's utter rubbish.
Yeah, I am positive.

Fascist and globalist also fit, so it is not rubbish.
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« Reply #9545 on: July 01, 2022, 04:50:49 PM »
Why are you perpetuating hearsay and a story that has been flatly denied by senior officials with the Secret Service?

Has it been denied by someone under oath? For the lady who delivered this to the J6 committee was under oath. Are you accusing her of perjury?
She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.

Anyone willing to offer direct testimony of what happened has not been called to testify.

It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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« Reply #9546 on: July 01, 2022, 05:43:16 PM »
She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.
Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.
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« Reply #9547 on: July 01, 2022, 05:44:51 PM »
Anyone willing to offer direct testimony of what happened has not been called to testify.

Coming soon, I hope...

Yesterday:

"I don't want to get into too many details," Cheney said. "The committee has spoken to both Mr. Ornato and Mr. Engel, and we welcome additional testimony under oath from both of them, and from anybody else in the Secret Service who has information about any of these issues."

Cheney added, "We have been working with the Secret Service, we have interviewed, as I said, a number of individuals in the Secret Service. We will continue to do so. And I think it is important that their testimony be under oath.
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« Reply #9548 on: July 01, 2022, 07:29:03 PM »
Anyone willing to offer direct testimony of what happened has not been called to testify.
DJT is free to offer his direct testimony of what happened.  Under oath in the witness chair.
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« Reply #9549 on: July 01, 2022, 07:44:43 PM »
She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.
Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.
That is still hearsay.
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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« Reply #9550 on: July 01, 2022, 08:31:33 PM »
What's happening in the United States now is the same thing that happened to Venezuela.

Venezuela used to be a U.S. ally but now they're a Russian Nation state. Russia flooded their media with bullshit propaganda and got their ignorant, uneducated population to elect corrupt pro-Russia politicians. Then these corrupt politicians changed the laws so they could not easily be unelected.

Our democracy is under attack from the Republican party. They are working to put corrupt people in positions of electoral power, state officials, election judges. The honest people that blocked their attempted coup in the last election are being replaced.
This crap about stockpiling firearms to protect themselves from the government is a lie. They are stockpiling weapons to overthrow our government. They have shown they are violent people with no integrity and no honor. They're supporting Russian expansion in Europe because they know Russia will support them in the next election.
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« Reply #9551 on: July 01, 2022, 09:16:13 PM »
That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."
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« Reply #9552 on: July 01, 2022, 09:27:14 PM »
That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."
funny, where are the judges asking the questions in this matter?

It is hearsay.
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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« Reply #9553 on: July 01, 2022, 09:31:12 PM »
She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.
Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.
That is still hearsay.

If she is describing someone's recollection of an event, then it is still admissible.
Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions; Availability of Declarant Immaterial
The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:
(1) Present sense impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the declarant was perceiving the event or condition, or immediately thereafter.
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« Reply #9554 on: July 01, 2022, 09:44:08 PM »
That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."
funny, where are the judges asking the questions in this matter?

There go your reading skills again.  No the judges are ruling on the procedure (obviously).

It is hearsay.
No, It's not.

Hearsay is when a witness relates a conversation with another person who is outside the court (not there, not called, otherwise unavailable) in support of evidence or other matter before the court.  Like in case1 above.

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« Reply #9555 on: July 01, 2022, 11:00:15 PM »
That is still hearsay.

If Trump disputes it, he can volunteer his testimony, can't he?

Step up, take the oath, and tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

What's stopping him? Why does he only spout off on social media? Why won't he stand up for himself under oath?
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« Reply #9556 on: July 01, 2022, 11:36:56 PM »
A69, why do you spell "Nazi" in all caps? Do you know what that term means?
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« Reply #9557 on: July 02, 2022, 04:38:39 AM »
She testified as to what she heard...aka HEARSAY.
Unless that was the evidence she was asked to testify on and that she heard it firsthand.
That is still hearsay.

If she is describing someone's recollection of an event, then it is still admissible.
Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions; Availability of Declarant Immaterial
The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:
(1) Present sense impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the declarant was perceiving the event or condition, or immediately thereafter.
Hutchinson can say whatever she wants, wherever she wants.

Where is the guy who was grabbed by the clavicles?

LOL!!!
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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« Reply #9558 on: July 02, 2022, 04:39:22 AM »
@pizza, cause I want to.
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« Reply #9559 on: July 02, 2022, 04:41:25 AM »
That is still hearsay.

No, it's not.  Try to follow...

Case 1
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X get into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "He said he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection sustained."

Case 2
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Lawer1: "Did Mr. X tell you personally that he got into his car the night of the rape?"

Witness: "Yes, he did."

Lawer2: "Objection, hearsay!"

Judge: "Objection overruled."
funny, where are the judges asking the questions in this matter?

There go your reading skills again.  No the judges are ruling on the procedure (obviously).

It is hearsay.
No, It's not.

Hearsay is when a witness relates a conversation with another person who is outside the court (not there, not called, otherwise unavailable) in support of evidence or other matter before the court.  Like in case1 above.

I will say something for you, you are consistent.
Listen bullwinkle.

All of your consistent gaslighting on the issue changes nothing.

It is hearsay.
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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