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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Test to debunk flat earth models

« on: November 13, 2018, 01:02:42 AM »

Does this mean a rainbow really isn't in a shape of a bow? Or that my eyes deceive me that it isn't multicolored? So much fake news.

I'm sorry, you've confused me. Fake news? Rainbows? Maybe a troll, but I'll bite.
A bow isn't. a shape. Rainbows always form circles or partial circles. They are made when light travels through water droplets in the atmosphere. Light travels more slowly through water than it does air so it bends, or refracts. you can create one with a water hose.
Rainbows aren't a sign from a sky wizard. Do you propose that, before the mythical flood, light behaved in a different manner than it does now?

Also, please explain what your reply has to do with my OP or any response it received...

A bow is clearly a small section of a circle or a dome.

 Psalm 7:11-12   

God is a righteous judge, And a God who has indignation every day. If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready.

Were discussing refraction, No? stick with the topic

No one but Tom was discussing refraction. He went off on a tangent, and you went even further off on your own.
If you want to get off topic we can.

God knows everything (according to your book of myths), past present and future.
God knows what shoes I'll wear on July 15, 2022.
I wake up and put on my shoes, because I never had a choice in the matter; god knew it so I had to do it or else god's knowledge would be false.
God burns sinners in hell for eternity, even knowing before he created everything that they would sin.

1 of 4 things must be true.
God doesn't know everything therefore isn't all powerful.
God knows everything, stripping us of free will, and punishes us anyway, (such a "just" god).
God knows everything and doesn't punish us (your book of myths is wrong).
God isn't real.

Ok Jimmy your test doesn't work, I'm not spending another dime on phoney baloney hocus pocus. The sky hasn't changed for thousands of years and it's recorded. They and we know it's flat like foot stool.

Now to correct your mistaken beliefs about the facts of God. Yes God knows his gates to Heaven are very narrow, he tells us that, some listen most don't. But we are given free will and the choice to have faith in his word. A child who dies gets a free pass from the BBQ, they are innocent. A person who never has heard the word of God gets the same pass although scripture tells us all will be told the word before the second coming of Christ but there will have been those few who lived a life of seclusion from the word being preached. Does he know if your name appears in the book, of course, he is God, all knowing. Does he take joy in your or anyone else's marshmallow over the fire ignition? Hell no. You are his child, he is your Father (he created you in his likeness) and in as much, you will be forgiven and given the real E ticket (eternal life, not the Disney ride on space mtn.) Now check it, you are saved by Grace not works, meaning once you are given the Gift and accept it, it will not be taken away. Your done, freebie !!! But like any shepherd you plan on culling the herd to only keep the finest in Heaven. We certainly don't wan't another Satan type disruption in heaven going forward now do we? Satan is given dominion over this pie plate for now to corrupt the many, he was an ass kicker, God made him tough as nails, but he doesn't own me and he doesn't have to own you either........The game is easy peasy, accept Christ as Gods son who died for all our sins and believe it. God and his mighty angels will protect you, and that is bad ass, not NASA phoney fake news !

Read the story of Job, he was righteous and God allowed the Devil to have his way with him because he knew Job wasn't weak sauce.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Question for research paper: What convinced you that the earth is flat?

« on: November 12, 2018, 11:09:56 PM »

Hello! I wanted to ask what made you believe that the earth is flat. I'm asking because I'm doing a research paper for college that looks at both sides of the argument and I'm also legitimately curious. 

There is some very old writings that explain all things were created by the Father (creator/God) and he says its flat as a pancake. He will kick your ass if need be but he loves you. I ain't arguing, he said the book would NEVER change and it hasn't in 2,000 years......

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Test to debunk flat earth models

« on: November 12, 2018, 10:50:54 PM »

Does this mean a rainbow really isn't in a shape of a bow? Or that my eyes deceive me that it isn't multicolored? So much fake news.

I'm sorry, you've confused me. Fake news? Rainbows? Maybe a troll, but I'll bite.
A bow isn't. a shape. Rainbows always form circles or partial circles. They are made when light travels through water droplets in the atmosphere. Light travels more slowly through water than it does air so it bends, or refracts. you can create one with a water hose.
Rainbows aren't a sign from a sky wizard. Do you propose that, before the mythical flood, light behaved in a different manner than it does now?

Also, please explain what your reply has to do with my OP or any response it received...

A bow is clearly a small section of a circle or a dome.

 Psalm 7:11-12   

God is a righteous judge, And a God who has indignation every day. If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready.

Were discussing refraction, No? stick with the topic

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Test to debunk flat earth models

« on: November 12, 2018, 08:30:48 PM »

Does this mean a rainbow really isn't in a shape of a bow? Or that my eyes deceive me that it isn't multicolored? So much fake news.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Who is at the top of the Conspiracy?

« on: November 08, 2018, 03:08:02 AM »

I have been reading about the conspiracy on the wiki (the faking of space travel), and I'm curious to what leaders it might extend to. For example, is Trump in on it? What about Putin? Elon Musk? Or is it a more low-level thing? Or are the real culprits in the shadows?

Do tell.. Were going to the moon again? or possibly Mars and create a habitat for humanity? Now with 100 years of reserve currency and unlimited printing $22 Trillion and another $21 Trillion unaccounted for can we make it home to Mars? Hardly the F-35 is the biggest POS fighter at a cost of $1.2 Trillion. We'd be lucky to get a rocket to tip over at 100 miles up and land in the ocean, Pick an ocean any ocean.....

Did we go to the moon?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 07:23:41 PM »

Some people just don't stay up with the times or intentionally try to deceive. Microsoft owns a patent where a chip can be placed under the skin, powered by the glucose in ones body. What good is this? Well it's been around about 30 years or so and creates an ad-hoc network or MANET. Literally every human would be an access node for communications on the flat plane. Today satellites are not needed at sea as much as the old men in the sea thinks. MANET's are active and been used for decades, sometimes without the node even knowing, so we won't blame you old guy. Sats are dinosaurs, did they ever exist?

Navy ad hoc networks

Navy ships traditionally use satellite communications and other maritime radios to communicate with each other or with ground station back on land. However, such communications are restricted by delays and limited bandwidth. Wireless ad hoc networks enable ship-area-networks to be formed while at sea, enabling high speed wireless communications among ships, enhancing their sharing of imaging and multimedia data, and better co-ordination in battlefield operations.[27] Some defense companies (such as Rockwell Collins and Rohde & Schwartz) have produced products that enhance ship-to-ship and ship-to-shore communications.

Thanks for playing:

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 04:25:56 AM »

The #1 thread on this site which garners viewers from around the world to learn there is more than meets the eye or what NASA fanboys tell us has turned into a catch all for RE crybabies to post their nonsense which has nothing to do with the Satellite Hoax. Mods need a little clean up here. The Earth is FLAT and God rules !

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 10:33:44 PM »

Since the subject of this section is 'satellite hoax', and the moon is technically just another satellite of the earth, there's another issue that I have.  Many radio people have effectively used the moon as a passive satellite.  Signals were bounced off of it, and then back to the earth.  For many years the current technology has allowed moon bounce communications.  The problem is, according to the wiki on this site, the moon is 32 miles in diameter and is approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the flat earth.  Unfortunately, the measured transit times (as the speed of light) just don't match the distances stated.  Is this just another satellite hoax?

The moon is in the firmament, approx. 400-500 miles up. Read the Bible and claim the word of God for full understanding. The moon is not a satellite, it is light created by God, any bounce is off the Fiber Cable Dome

What about the bronze?

Job 37:18 New International Version (NIV):

18 can you join him in spreading out the skies,
    hard as a mirror of cast bronze?

And if the moon is 400-500 miles up, seems like we could get there quite easily. That's like San Francisco to San Diego. I can do that by car in about 8 hours. By plane in 1. Why haven't we done so?

You're just being silly now without any effort on your part to learn a hoot. Job was around most likely 1500-2000 BC, the book possibly written by Moses in Hebrew translating Aramaic. Mirrors of that time were mostly for rich folks like Job made of polished bronze. Water and polished granite were also used as image reflectors. God said the firmament held back the waters above. That takes a sold form to do so like molten glass to still see the wandering stars, Stars, Moon, Sun.... I would like you to walk outside and see if you see BRONZE or a color of the sky that resembles deep blue water? Grow up now and fight the urge to sink in the molten flames. Now go drive your Tesla to the moon and back, well wait. BTW a friend said come watch my Tesla drive itself out of the garage...I wasn't impressed, it never made it, the rear stayed about 2 ft. inside the garage. All smoke less mirrors !!

Thanks for the history lesson on mirror tech.

So in the book they were writing about mirror technology of the day - bronze dome. Makes sense. Then when humans developed better mirror technology, the book was re-written to include the new developments - glass dome. Makes sense, I suspect ancient knowledge should be updated as humanity gets more knowledgeable. Maybe the book needs to be updated to a fiber optic dome.

Not quite, 4500 years before Job, that would be 6000 BC there were mirrors made of "black volcanic glass obsidian". Notice the word GLASS and volcano's are hot which is how glass was made in the first century, hot sand dripped molten glass. You see when Job was asked if he was around when "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" God knew exactly what a molten glass was all about. Then he painted the back with GOLD< SILVER and made mirrors. Sats don't exist and the Earth is FLAT.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 09:44:53 PM »

Since the subject of this section is 'satellite hoax', and the moon is technically just another satellite of the earth, there's another issue that I have.  Many radio people have effectively used the moon as a passive satellite.  Signals were bounced off of it, and then back to the earth.  For many years the current technology has allowed moon bounce communications.  The problem is, according to the wiki on this site, the moon is 32 miles in diameter and is approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the flat earth.  Unfortunately, the measured transit times (as the speed of light) just don't match the distances stated.  Is this just another satellite hoax?

The moon is in the firmament, approx. 400-500 miles up. Read the Bible and claim the word of God for full understanding. The moon is not a satellite, it is light created by God, any bounce is off the Fiber Cable Dome

What about the bronze?

Job 37:18 New International Version (NIV):

18 can you join him in spreading out the skies,
    hard as a mirror of cast bronze?

And if the moon is 400-500 miles up, seems like we could get there quite easily. That's like San Francisco to San Diego. I can do that by car in about 8 hours. By plane in 1. Why haven't we done so?

You're just being silly now without any effort on your part to learn a hoot. Job was around most likely 1500-2000 BC, the book possibly written by Moses in Hebrew translating Aramaic. Mirrors of that time were mostly for rich folks like Job made of polished bronze. Water and polished granite were also used as image reflectors. God said the firmament held back the waters above. That takes a sold form to do so like molten glass to still see the wandering stars, Stars, Moon, Sun.... I would like you to walk outside and see if you see BRONZE or a color of the sky that resembles deep blue water? Grow up now and fight the urge to sink in the molten flames. Now go drive your Tesla to the moon and back, well wait. BTW a friend said come watch my Tesla drive itself out of the garage...I wasn't impressed, it never made it, the rear stayed about 2 ft. inside the garage. All smoke less mirrors !!

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 03:25:18 PM »

Since the subject of this section is 'satellite hoax', and the moon is technically just another satellite of the earth, there's another issue that I have.  Many radio people have effectively used the moon as a passive satellite.  Signals were bounced off of it, and then back to the earth.  For many years the current technology has allowed moon bounce communications.  The problem is, according to the wiki on this site, the moon is 32 miles in diameter and is approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the flat earth.  Unfortunately, the measured transit times (as the speed of light) just don't match the distances stated.  Is this just another satellite hoax?

The moon is in the firmament, approx. 400-500 miles up. Read the Bible and claim the word of God for full understanding. The moon is not a satellite, it is light created by God, any bounce is off the Fiber Cable Dome

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:34:25 AM »

Satellite technology is really quite easy to understand on a flat earth. Lets first look at the Dome. The King James Bible explains it in Job 37:18 as "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" Now we have all heard of fiber optic cables right? They carry data, voice and video, they travel in glass the size of a human hair...You following? They travel at the speed of light because the data packets are turned into light.

Now we have all heard of HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program), this was the .gov's all around the world sending radio waves up to the dome to try and change the weather or maybe send communications too? It's secret stuff. Back to Sat TV you're all excited about. It's elementary my dear Watson. Operation fishbowl they got a pretty good idea of it's make up, the dome that is. Now they send light which contains DATA packets up to this glass dome, lets call it Fiber Cable Dome and now this light is illuminating in a spot up there. Your dish has a focal point which is powered up by DC power pointed and sucking on that light source in the Fiber Optic Dome. It reads the light and configures it back into data packets at your TV set box and walla your watching "Little house on the prairie". No SpaceX sat dump in the sky, no thousands of sats falling back to earth burning up, no no, just plain out wireless tech.

We know all this is possible, we have LORAN which bounces radio signals off SKYWAVE :fact We know the Russians admitted in a 1950's declassified CIA report the earth was flat and the firmament projected it's own light. It's glass...duh ! We know the Earth is flat, Loran radio waves travel in a straight line for at least 500 miles about the height of the Fiber Optic Dome then bounce off to a repeater or slave and back up again traversing the entire FLAT planet.

Can we put this to rest yet or are you going to continue to believe Satans lie?

Now you have J-Man giving you the God version as I have always promised, truth, the answers are all there in the Bible. 

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Flat Earth Media / Navy Sub Chief ...No Curvature

« on: October 17, 2018, 04:17:14 PM »

Having a 20 year career on 5 nuclear subs no curvature is ever accounted for.

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Flat Earth Media / Re: NAVY Missile Instructor Describes Flat Earth

« on: October 17, 2018, 04:09:13 PM »

So he really is in the military? Cool.

Not any more, he was in from age 18 to 28 (2016) left Navy, today is 30 and has a different web site. He was on the USS Iwo Jima for 5 years.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 17, 2018, 02:32:58 PM »

Boy the NASA, JPL, SpaceX fanboys are out it abundance. Guess that's why this thread is so popular. They come out and make ridiculous claims about how the info is not a continued HOAX. First this video proves the rocket was doing it normal tilt over and heading for the ocean. It landed 250 miles down range in 2 minutes of flight. This means it was well on its way in a sideways flight path, not a straight up shot like the picture from fake ISS shows. Also this shows its above a cloud layer but none is visible in rocket crash video. More phony baloney. As the commentator in this video is explaining, NASA is reading off a script as the Russian control is already talking to Nuts in weightlessness fall. NASA = Hollywood. Cut to animation. Similar to the BBC reporter claiming tower 7 had already fell when it was visible in background still standing. No "PULL IT" yet.

The Fanboys come up with, oh the Fake ISS is just coming up the side of the ball earth thus the same height. heh heh yet not a tilt to rocket trajectory, no explosion photo, add non existent cloud layer and forget to erase flat horizon...amateur hour, they don't even care anymore, the sheep are too accepting of the Hoax now.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 17, 2018, 02:51:33 AM »

Recently the dependable Russian Soyus rocket with two astro's aboard 1 american 1 russian failed at 31 miles up on the way to the make believe ISS. The Nuts in the ISS at 254 miles up took this pic of the failed launch. Now you tell me, does this photo look like it was taken from a height almost 10 times higher?

Lies, Lies and more hoax..... The Nuts crash landed, first time in about 30+ years as I recall, both safe and sound in Hollywood.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/on-thursday-a-rocket-failed-three-humans-remain-on-the-iss-whats-next/

BTW hold a ruler up...NO CURVATURE AT ALL>>>Pancake FLAT

I'm not sure what this has to do with satellites.

Aside from that, if it's fake, as you claim, then holding a ruler up is neither here nor there. Because, well, it's fake. I guess maybe it's a fake shot, from a fake ISS, showing a fake flat earth.

As for satellite launches, they are typically unmanned.

You may want to try a refresher course on another website first before you post here. The ISS is a fake satellite, ie "satellite" and the rocket was going to the fake ISS station.
Run along now.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 17, 2018, 02:23:06 AM »

Recently the dependable Russian Soyus rocket with two astro's aboard 1 american 1 russian failed at 31 miles up on the way to the make believe ISS. The Nuts in the ISS at 254 miles up took this pic of the failed launch. Now you tell me, does this photo look like it was taken from a height almost 10 times higher?

Lies, Lies and more hoax..... The Nuts crash landed, first time in about 30+ years as I recall, both safe and sound in Hollywood.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/on-thursday-a-rocket-failed-three-humans-remain-on-the-iss-whats-next/

BTW hold a ruler up...NO CURVATURE AT ALL>>>Pancake FLAT

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Flat Earth Community / Re: RE believers - why are you here?

« on: October 11, 2018, 03:18:29 PM »

It should be possible for anyone to do a simple experiment with a cheap laser pointer, table, and a basketball.  You could simulate what happens when the sun shines on a flat surface(table) and a spherical surface (basketball).  Play around with these items a bit and then compare what you see with what you actually experience while on the planet we call earth.  There are some other things that can be seen, but those things are not usually experienced by most people and takes and engineering background to understand.  I've seen many things that would actually be better if the earth were flat, but the engineering of those expensive things were all done with the global earth paradigm in mind.  If the earth were actually flat many business men have sure spent countless millions on equipment they don't need.  A really good flat earth engineer could make a fortune if he could show how his inventions using the simplified technology could save those millions.

Your experiment is bogus, it's proven the firmament projects its own light. No flashlight BS.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is it irrational to believe Flat Earth?

« on: October 11, 2018, 03:15:40 PM »

Yes, you can do 'line of sight' on a globe.  The only difference is that the observable distances are shorter.  Even on a globe you can see another large ship 15 miles away.  In the navy you are under a 'watchful' eye while on the ship.  When sailors got off the ship they can do all kinds of strange things in foreign ports. Just ask the navy shore patrol.  I'll bet you that the interview was conducted while the guy was off the ship and under those circumstances, can say anything he wants so long as he doesn't disclose something of a classified nature. When I was working on navy ships I wouldn't tell just any 'land lubber' the whole truth.  It's to your advantage to let your enemies believe that you are an idiot when you may not be.  That guy did a good job of that.  Under those circumstances you really can't tell if what the guy said was what he really believed, or if he was just trying to put up a 'smoke screen'.  As far as that goes, I might just be trying to do the same thing myself.  I'm carrying on.

You just double speak. @ 15 miles on a globe the ship would need to be 150 ft. high to see the top, yet you don't comment on the Loran document that specifically says line of sight is 400 miles. Nor do you speak of the CIA document that notes scientist claiming Flat Earth and Firmament like the creator has explained yet most ignore. Is there a fine line between ignore ignorance and irrational? I wonder.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 11, 2018, 02:29:49 PM »

You said some of the loran stations were fixed and some where 'at sea'.  The diagrams you show had all the fixed stations.  We had publications on the ship that showed all that.  What I don't see is the repeater stations located 'at sea'.   I don't think we need to worry too much about hitting anything on an island. We use very accurate satellite based GPS.

GPS is owned and Governed by the United States, same folks that stole 21 trillion recently and said so what, it's national security, you can't know what we did with it. They tell you that data comes from sats, it;s just another lie. Kinda like the moon landing in Hollywood. Or the 21 box cutter boys, or the most secure building in the world Pentagon doesn't have video of the missile hitting it? You love Disneyland and Pixie dust.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is it irrational to believe Flat Earth?

« on: October 11, 2018, 02:24:36 PM »

I did listen to the entire talk radio show.  It was late at night and kind of reminded me of listening to Art Bell telling ghost stories.  All I can say is WOW.  I have no evidence, but would say that the navy guy was quite young. The guy did have all the lingo down pat and was a good talker.  I thought that he just had a cursory knowledge of some of the stuff he was talking about and used just enough of the lingo to make is seem that he was knowledgeable.  The show was quite entertaining for me and I laughed a lot.  All I can say is that I probably was working on radars, flying airplanes, and taking apart gyros long before that guy was born.  In my opinion, some of the stuff he said was just plain BS.  Other stuff had a hint of truth and understanding but still wasn't quite correct.   You are correct in saying that I'm now washed up on the beach but I don't mind being in retirement.  If you did read my previous post you will see that I also signed my own paycheck for 23 years and wasn't letting another bozo tell me what to do.  I sold out and went to sea because it was on my 'bucket list'.

I'm not sure why you would be anymore believable than him? You have pre-conceived after only an hour yet I've given you 4 days to slosh around here listening and analyzing your words. I'm in my mid 60's yet people think I'm 50. Don't judge by his voice, he is still in the Navy and under a very watchful eye as he explains the truth. Funny thing about you peeps on the globe, you don't bother to comment on the core of what he is saying. "line of sight" weapons system. Can't do that on globe, yet you ignore it. Carry on....

I believe it is you who is irrational for thinking people with normal intelligence will believe the devilish garbage in Globe Earth.