[Action80]

Here is an actual criminal defense attorney, reporting about the indictment.

[Lord Dave]

Here is an actual criminal defense attorney, reporting about the indictment.

... Yeah....
You think they chaged him for EVERY document?  The total of documents found was 300 at his home in florida.
He got hit with 31 charges.

Whats your point?  That the one leaked bit isn't relevant?  Still got 37 charges.

[Action80]

Here is an actual criminal defense attorney, reporting about the indictment.

... Yeah....
You think they chaged him for EVERY document?  The total of documents found was 300 at his home in florida.
He got hit with 31 charges.

Whats your point?  That the one leaked bit isn't relevant?  Still got 37 charges.

It is relevant, given the AG included the leaked one in his written indictment. Why include such, "DAMNING PROOF!!!", in the indictment if not to include it as part of the "ACTUAL CHARGES!!!"?

God, what a weak piece of fluff reply.

[Lord Dave]

Here is an actual criminal defense attorney, reporting about the indictment.

... Yeah....
You think they chaged him for EVERY document?  The total of documents found was 300 at his home in florida.
He got hit with 31 charges.

Whats your point?  That the one leaked bit isn't relevant?  Still got 37 charges.

It is relevant, given the AG included the leaked one in his written indictment. Why include such, "DAMNING PROOF!!!", in the indictment if not to include it as part of the "ACTUAL CHARGES!!!"?

God, what a weak piece of fluff reply.

I dunno, why are you trusting a liberal media source?

[Action80]

I dunno, why are you trusting a liberal media source?

What I trust has nothing to do with the facts of the matter, the primary fact being Trump is not being charged with anything having to do with what the AG primarily highlights as a key piece of evidence.

[markjo]

I dunno, why are you trusting a liberal media source?

What I trust has nothing to do with the facts of the matter…

Yes, we get that.

…the primary fact being Trump is not being charged with anything having to do with what the AG primarily highlights as a key piece of evidence.

The recording goes to show that Trump knew that he had classified documents that he should not have had and how reckless he was with his handling of classified material.  It undermines his argument that he declassified everything before he left office. 

[Action80]

I dunno, why are you trusting a liberal media source?

What I trust has nothing to do with the facts of the matter…

Yes, we get that.

The mouse in your pocket really doesn't constitute a "we." It does count as wee, though.

…the primary fact being Trump is not being charged with anything having to do with what the AG primarily highlights as a key piece of evidence.

The recording goes to show that Trump knew that he had classified documents that he should not have had and how reckless he was with his handling of classified material.  It undermines his argument that he declassified everything before he left office.

If it really did show that, then that would have been the actual charge.

Read the goddamn indictment, just like the wee gary wrote.

Reckless...LMMFAO...the only reckless thing here is your post.

[Lord Dave]

I dunno, why are you trusting a liberal media source?

What I trust has nothing to do with the facts of the matter…

Yes, we get that.

The mouse in your pocket really doesn't constitute a "we." It does count as wee, though.

…the primary fact being Trump is not being charged with anything having to do with what the AG primarily highlights as a key piece of evidence.

The recording goes to show that Trump knew that he had classified documents that he should not have had and how reckless he was with his handling of classified material.  It undermines his argument that he declassified everything before he left office.

If it really did show that, then that would have been the actual charge.

Read the goddamn indictment, just like the wee gary wrote.

Reckless...LMMFAO...the only reckless thing here is your post.

You don't think 31 charges is enough?
It would be unfair for Trump to charge him for every single document.  He'd have over 100 counts.  No, instead they grouped them together.  Plus, I'm pretty sure they do not want to make public the times Trump showed the nuclear secrets document.

[markjo]

If it really did show that, then that would have been the actual charge.

There is something that you should understand about this sort of trial.  The prosecution has to be very careful about which documents they charge a defendant with.   The documents need to be secret enough to be worth charging him with, but not so secret that they can't show it to a jury.  That particular document may or may not fall within that rather narrow category.

Read the goddamn indictment, just like the wee gary wrote.

I did.  Charges like willful retention of national defense information are supported by the audio.

[Action80]

You don't think 31 charges is enough?
It would be unfair for Trump to charge him for every single document.  He'd have over 100 counts.  No, instead they grouped them together.  Plus, I'm pretty sure they do not want to make public the times Trump showed the nuclear secrets document.

What kind of prosecutor is not going to file a charge that actually includes the material for which you have the most damning evidence?

Again, it is a nothing story...written and commented on like it is truly SERIOUS by nothing entities...

[Lord Dave]

You don't think 31 charges is enough?
It would be unfair for Trump to charge him for every single document.  He'd have over 100 counts.  No, instead they grouped them together.  Plus, I'm pretty sure they do not want to make public the times Trump showed the nuclear secrets document.

What kind of prosecutor is not going to file a charge that actually includes the material for which you have the most damning evidence?

Again, it is a nothing story...written and commented on like it is truly SERIOUS by nothing entities...

The kind where the most damning evidence could start a war if leaked?

[markjo]

What kind of prosecutor is not going to file a charge that actually includes the material for which you have the most damning evidence?

Finding boxes of classified national security documents in unsecured locations like a ballroom and a bathroom sounds pretty damning to me. 

Don’t forget that it’s not just about him having the documents, it’s about how he lied about giving all the documents back and trying to hide the ones that he didn’t.

[Roundy]

Again, it is a nothing story...written and commented on like it is truly SERIOUS by nothing entities...

Imagine thinking the indictment and trial of a former president is a nothing story.

[Tom Bishop]

What kind of prosecutor is not going to file a charge that actually includes the material for which you have the most damning evidence?

Finding boxes of classified national security documents in unsecured locations like a ballroom and a bathroom sounds pretty damning to me. 

Don’t forget that it’s not just about him having the documents, it’s about how he lied about giving all the documents back and trying to hide the ones that he didn’t.

Aside from the papers being legitimately located at Mar-a-Lago for many reasons, including a President ordering them to be there, there were no boxes of classified documents in the bathroom. They found the classified papers in the basement storage room.

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/10/trump-national-secrets-shower-classified-documents-indictment



This article and quote above mentions the boxes in the bathroom, but says the classified documents were in the basement.

The SCIF at Mar-a-Lago was in the basement, so it's obvious that someone was thoughtful enough to put the papers in a location that was most secure:

https://opoyi.com/usa/mar-a-lago-security-details-721546/



In the bathroom the boxes were unmarked, with some marked Mal Bedroom.

NY Mag - https://archive.fo/wIyba



Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_investigation_into_Donald_Trump%27s_handling_of_government_documents



KCRA - https://www.kcra.com/article/timeline-special-counsel-trump-classified-docs/44155950#



None of these articles indicate that classified documents were found in the bathroom as result of the raid.

It was later claimed that more classified documents were found in Trump's office area, but it is unclear how secure that was. Presumably the Secret Service would design it to be secure for sensitive papers to go between the basement and the president's/former president's office. It was not the bathroom where classified documents were found. So, you were lied to and your argument is based on lies.

[markjo]

Aside from the papers being legitimately located at Mar-a-Lago for many reasons...

Sorry Tom, but there is no legitimate reason for private citizen Trump to have highly classified documents at his private residence.  Such documents are only available on a need to know basis, and private citizen Trump no longer has a need to know.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Aside from the papers being legitimately located at Mar-a-Lago for many reasons, including a President ordering them to be there, there were no boxes of classified documents in the bathroom. They found the classified papers in the basement storage room.

It was later claimed that more classified documents were found in Trump's office area, but it is unclear how secure that was. Presumably the Secret Service would design it to be secure for sensitive papers to go between the basement and the president's/former president's office. It was not the bathroom where documents were found. So, you were lied to and your argument is based on lies.

It's all good. The Republicans want their President to have unilateral control over sensitive documents with no oversight.




Even if they were in a bathroom, it's ok. Mar-a-lago is a very secure place.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/chinese-trespasser-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-resort-sentenced.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/08/26/russian-speaking-immigrant-allegedly-entered-mar-a-lago-using-fake-identity-met-with-trump-report-says/?sh=27fc31e4196a
https://nypost.com/2022/11/03/trespasser-caught-at-donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-estate-cops/
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/man-breached-mar-a-lago-after-secret-service-warning-prosecutors-claim-16198928

We could let the Donald off as an ignorant buffoon when it comes to the whole document incident. Maybe, the fact that he's a traitorous piece of shit that allied himself with every one of our national adversaries and the fact that he left sensitive documents vulnerable like an idiot is just a coincidence.

[Action80]

The kind where the most damning evidence could start a war if leaked?

Uh, oh...a goddamn war...what will "we," (that is, the very ilk who absolutely CHEER FOR WAR, such as those ilk here)...the minions of Czar Bush the I, his cuz Billy, Czar Bush the II, "Oh!!! The WMD!!!" crowd...yeah, god forbid another war...

You are struggling to keep up, there LD...

[Action80]

Aside from the papers being legitimately located at Mar-a-Lago for many reasons...

Sorry Tom, but there is no legitimate reason for private citizen Trump to have highly classified documents at his private residence.  Such documents are only available on a need to know basis, and private citizen Trump no longer has a need to know.

More nonsense like this^ should very quickly relegate you back to purgatory.

[Lord Dave]

The kind where the most damning evidence could start a war if leaked?

Uh, oh...a goddamn war...what will "we," (that is, the very ilk who absolutely CHEER FOR WAR, such as those ilk here)...the minions of Czar Bush the I, his cuz Billy, Czar Bush the II, "Oh!!! The WMD!!!" crowd...yeah, god forbid another war...

You are struggling to keep up, there LD...

I didn't say it would be a war against America.

[markjo]

Aside from the papers being legitimately located at Mar-a-Lago for many reasons...

Sorry Tom, but there is no legitimate reason for private citizen Trump to have highly classified documents at his private residence.  Such documents are only available on a need to know basis, and private citizen Trump no longer has a need to know.

More nonsense like this^ should very quickly relegate you back to purgatory.

Then by all means, please give me a good reason why private citizen Trump should have a need to know any of the classified documents that he illegally took from the White House.

BTW, if he really does think that he needs to know, then he should have applied for a waiver to keep his security clearance.  He did not do that, however.