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Flat Earth Community / Re: lynx space camp

« on: December 12, 2013, 01:30:26 PM »

Alas, I doubt they'll go high enough to make any zetetic observations.

Isn't any personal observation zetetic?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 11, 2013, 01:28:44 AM »

The blueprints for the custom development of the Saturn V rocket engine are not available to the public, locked away as a state secret.

This is incorrect.  The blueprints for the Saturn V are not available because they were destroyed during a routine NASA housecleaning (though I imagine that explanation will seem like part of the conspiracy to some).  With all of the advances in technology since the late '60's, you wouldn't really want to duplicate one anyways.

Actually, since the retirement of the shuttle, NASA has taken another look at the Saturn V in general and the F-1 and J-2 rocket engines in particular.  Currently they're working on further developing and upgrading them to the F-1B and J-2X designs for future launch systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocketdyne_F-1#F-1B_booster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-2X

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Perfectly flat bridge vs round earth

« on: December 10, 2013, 04:27:58 PM »

ITT: An REer just admitted to bendy light.

Sorry, but RET's atmospheric refraction is not the same as FET's bendy light.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Hosting earth not a globe

« on: December 09, 2013, 08:47:51 PM »

http://library.tfes.org/library/samuel_rowbotham_-_earth_not_a_globe.pdf

Can you post the link on the home page? Just for ease of finding ENaG link. Also this other link is not a PDF, shorter download time, and easier to use.
            http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

Honestly I'd rather have something liek that, but the guys are so busy, its not a priority.

If you're going to do something like that, then perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea (as a long term project) to host as much FE literature as you can find in a FE Library section.  I'm sure Daniel wouldn't mind if someone rips off grabs a copy of some of his collection.

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Announcements / Re: Our new homepage is now live

« on: December 09, 2013, 02:31:01 PM »

Just a suggestion, but you might want to change the link behind the FES logo to go to the home page as well.  The home button should be sufficient to get back to the forum home.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.

« on: December 09, 2013, 12:09:53 AM »

Funny how we get flack for both dividing India/Pakistan down religious lines and NOT dividing Africa among tribal ones.

Make your minds up people.

Well, if you could learn how do draw borders that make sense, then maybe you wouldn't get so much flack.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox users are bricking their consoles

« on: December 08, 2013, 11:59:10 PM »

I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal. It causes people millions of dollars of damage each year.

I don't know about that.  It sounds like a good way to stimulate the console repair industry.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 11:36:48 PM »

I never said that this site is terrible.  I'm just want to make sure that you figure out how serious you want this new society to be and where you want it to fit in the grand scheme of flat earth-kind.  Is there going to be any serious FET research and discussion or is it just going to be another site to troll angry noobs?  If the former, then great.  If the latter, then what's the point?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 10:59:13 PM »

He is the self-proclaimed king of a forum that no one ever visits, Markjo.

Irrelevant.  For some strange reason, you keep thinking that the FES forum is the sum total of the Flat Earth Society.  I have no idea where you got that silly notion.

well there is a wiki ... which we host, FE library ... which we are building, Twitter ... we have that, G+ ... yup. We don't have a podcast once a year or a book that isn't finished but I think we've all the other bases covered.

Tell me, what else is it that Daniel does that is so valuable and unique that only he can do it (or not do it as is his preference)?

I never said that Daniel does anything unique.  I'm just saying that he is the one that brought the FES back to life.  As I recall, Wilmore and John Davis have their own FESes as well.  If you want this to be another FES, then that's fine.  Just don't claim that this is the one and only FES and don't dismiss Daniel's place in FES history.  After all, if it wasn't for Daniel, then there wouldn't be any FES for you to splinter from.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 10:39:20 PM »

He is the self-proclaimed king of a forum that no one ever visits, Markjo.

Irrelevant.  For some strange reason, you keep thinking that the FES forum is the sum total of the Flat Earth Society.  I have no idea where you got that silly notion.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 10:15:23 PM »

If a zentic council is formed, doesn't that essentially mean a few society is being formed?

I would have thought so. What Daniel has to do with it I don't know?

Because, like it or not, Daniel is the president of "the world famous Flat Earth Society".  This would become a new, upstart Flat Earth Society.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 08, 2013, 05:01:30 PM »

Would you care to cite this law, please?  To the best of my knowledge, rocket engines above a certain thrust level are regulated, but the technology itself not secret.

Just as you said, rockets past a certain threshold are restricted. See the wikipedia page on Model Rocket Motor Classification. Anything past O requires government oversight.

Since the engines in these professional rockets operate differently, it constitutes a different rocket technology. The Saturn V  rocket (A U class rocket) isn't using the same engine design as an O class rocket available to hobbiests. O class rockets are typically solid state or hybrid engines, while the Saturn V's rocket engine is a specially designed liquid rocket with special fuel injector pumps, heat exchangers, turbines, pressure tranducers, etc. -- all researched to a tune of many millions of dollars. It was not a matter of taking a high powered model rocket motor and scaling up.

The blueprints for the custom development of the Saturn V rocket engine are not available to the public, locked away as a state secret.

You're right Tom, liquid fuel rocket engine technology is super-duper-tippy-top-hush-hush-secret.
http://heroicrelics.org/info/f-1/f-1-supp.html
http://hackaday.com/2011/09/01/engine-hacks-liquid-fuel-amateur-rocket-roundup/
http://www.gramlich.net/projects/rocket/
http://store.fastcommerce.com/SystemeSolaire/liquid-propellant-rocket-kit-ff8081811928eb610119331daa8d6729-p.html

BTW, the space shuttle's Solid Rocket Boosters and several ICBMs and IRBMs use similar solid rocket technology that amateur rocket enthusiasts use.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic

« on: December 07, 2013, 11:26:55 PM »

Yes a small company should be able to do it very efficiently.

That would depend on what resources that small company has at its disposal.

So far they have been able to despite many years of promises.

  Huh?  Maybe it's time for you lay off the sauce when you post.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 07, 2013, 11:23:59 PM »

No, but amateurs live firing large, powerful rocket engines does suggest that these technologies are not as highly classified as you claim.

Incorrect. Such rocket technology is still classified under American law, wherever they do it from.

Would you care to cite this law, please?  To the best of my knowledge, rocket engines above a certain thrust level are regulated, but the technology itself not secret.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 07, 2013, 04:53:30 PM »

That has nothing to do with whether or not the technology is classified and highly regulated.

It might be possible to build a rocket off-shore where american law does not apply, in countries uncooperative with the US, and launch it from international waters, as these guys are want to do.

However, it appears that this project is still in its research phase and not a real technology. Not-yet-real rocket technologies do not merit use as  evidence for the reality of space travel any more than posting a link to someone researching the possibility of time travel is evidence for the reality of time travel.

No, but amateurs live firing large, powerful rocket engines does suggest that these technologies are not as highly classified as you claim.

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Technology & Information / Re: Laptop needed

« on: December 07, 2013, 08:46:09 AM »

He plays games. Is he supposed to have the disk drive danginling off the sofa all the time? There will be a disk in the drive probbaly 80%of the time. External is a mess.

How about a thumb drive for the games?  They're pretty cheap these days.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 07, 2013, 08:00:16 AM »

SpaceX can't be truly private since rockets which can reach orbit are a classified technology.

Exactly which parts of this technology are classified?

The advanced rocketry necessary to get into space is, as a whole, a controlled technology. It is classified, and as such, the government does not allow public publication of this technology, or private development. After all, a Saturn V is 98% identical to an ICBM

Tell that to Copenhagen Suborbitals.  After all, their rocket is 98% identical to an ICBM too.
http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/

It's also 100% still-in-development

Yes, and a good chunk of that development includes live the firing of some pretty large and powerful rocket engines.  You know, the kind of rocket engines that you claim are supposed to be classified.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic

« on: December 07, 2013, 07:47:31 AM »

Their budget was also in the range of $3 million to $5 million (rounded up) a year during that time, http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html.

Sorry, but you're reading the numbers in that link wrong.  Those numbers are in thousands, so that means that budget was in the billions, not millions.

The fiscal year data does not denote it is in anything other than what is posted.  The funding break down denotes it is in thousands.  This tells me the fiscal year data is not adjusted and is displayed as it was recorded.

Did you try adding up the breakdowns to see if they match the FY numbers? 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic

« on: December 07, 2013, 07:46:07 AM »

It seems much more likely that the delay is better explained by our ignorance rather than fraud or hoaxing.

His ignorance caused a 50 year delay?  Do you have any idea about what your are even talking about, or you just typing random words into sentences? 

We went into orbit in the 50s.  It was dangerous.  It got easier in the 60s, and we even started to go to the moon.  Then, in the 70s, we had maned space stations.  70s trough 2000s, we had space shuttles going up there regularly to supply permanent space stations.  Here we are in the 2010s, and now it is too dangerous to take a dozen people into space.  It is just too complicated.  We have to start back at square one.  WTF?

No.  Sending people to the moon isn't too complicated, it just hasn't been a national priority for the past 40 years or so.  SpaceX, the Russians, Japanese and others continue to send supplies and/or astronauts to the ISS because that is where the government's (therefore, NASA's) priority is right now.  If the government decides that sending men back to the moon is a high priority (as it was in the '60s) or it wants to get into the space tourism business, then more resources will be dedicated and progress will quicken.  As it is, manned moon missions are not a high priority and the government is not interested in space tourism, so progress in those areas is much slower.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic

« on: December 07, 2013, 07:34:32 AM »

Their budget was also in the range of $3 million to $5 million (rounded up) a year during that time, http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html.

Sorry, but you're reading the numbers in that link wrong.  Those numbers are in thousands, so that means that budget was in the billions, not millions.