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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 20, 2024, 05:18:14 PM »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-openly-threatening-ceos-200153707.html

Trump says CEOs who aren't with him should be fired.  Because threatening people who don't whorship him is totally a normal thing. >_>

"In two long Truth Social posts on Tuesday quoting a Wall Street Journal article,..."

Seems Trump didn't say it...he quoted the paper.

The paper was relating the news that corporate tax rates under Biden would be raised from 21% to 28%.

It seems the author(s) of the article are the ones who believe CEO's should be fired if this happens.

I believe the CEO's should be fired if it happens.

Why did you cosign a lie?

Is it just normal for you?

If you had taken the time to follow the links in the article instead of just assuming, you would have seen that no, the WSJ were not the ones who called for anyone to be fired, Trump was.

I don't think this is even especially newsworthy. It's a dog-bites-man story. It is interesting, however, how regularly Trump fans convince themselves that he's one of them, a common man up against the elite, when he so regularly demonstrates that he's entirely on the side of rich people and big business.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 18, 2024, 03:26:20 PM »
Maybe, but that's the most recent figure I found, taken from one of his arrests last year.

Which means nothing more than Trump claimed to weigh that much. He's obviously lying, just like he's obviously lying about his height. Trump's height and weight won't be accurately recorded unless he's actually convicted and sent to prison.

The fact that you guys had to post a video which starts with Trump in the middle of a story discredits your claim.

Biden's gaffs are a continual stream of national embarrassment.



Nobody is denying that Trump was in the middle of a story. Like I said, I don't think it's a big deal that Trump is entertaining his followers as a rally with nonsense about sharks and batteries, but simply pointing out that he was in the middle of a story doesn't actually address the primary criticism of his story being completely bonkers.

It's also pretty funny that you're complaining about missing context, and then you link to a video that's just a compilation of various isolated verbal stumbles taken from a number of Biden's speeches. You could make anyone in the world sound like an idiot if you compiled every "um" and "uh" they uttered over the course of a week into one video.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 18, 2024, 01:39:25 AM »
Trump weighs 215lbs.

Trump weighs far more than that.

Anyway, the story is ridiculous, but the fact that Trump is telling a ridiculous story isn't really a big deal. His rallies are more for entertaining and riling up his fans than anything else. It doesn't matter what nonsense he says to them. They're not there to hear persuasive, logical reasoning from Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 15, 2024, 04:10:20 PM »
It is obvious there are different tones.

Yes, the tone is different, and only the tone. That's why he's not wearing a mask. We would be able to see a bigger physical difference between the mask and the skin if he he were wearing one. Masks take up physical space. They don't become part of the skin. And again, you can see the same thing with the interviewer. Presumably you don't think he's wearing a mask too.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 14, 2024, 01:43:16 PM »
Mask are physical, three-dimensional objects. If he were wearing a mask - and not just a thin layer of material, but a mask that's substantial enough to make him look like a different person - you would be able to see the bulge or swelling where it begins. It wouldn't be so perfectly flush with his neck that you could only tell he was wearing a mask by the difference in skin tones.

What's actually happening here are just shadows. The interviewer has something similar going on with his neck in the full video, but you can tell a bit more easily that it's shadows with him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 12, 2024, 01:16:29 AM »
An outright case of reverse jury nullification if there ever was one:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/08/gop-demands-trump-mistrial-after-facebook-comment-from-jurors-cousin-sparks-conspiracy/

Is that really how it works? Some random guy on the Internet can hint that he knows the verdict ahead of time, and that's it, we need a mistrial now? Would this work for someone else? Hey guys, my brother is on Hunter Biden's jury, and he's already promised a conviction! MAGA forever!

The court can investigate and determine if any jury members are telling people that it's going to be a sham trial. If they are, then it is grounds for a mistrial.

Yes, if it were real, then it would be major, just like any of the thousands of troll posts about serious subjects that are made every day would be major if they were true. It's baffling why anyone is taking this one seriously.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 11, 2024, 01:36:39 AM »
An outright case of reverse jury nullification if there ever was one:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/08/gop-demands-trump-mistrial-after-facebook-comment-from-jurors-cousin-sparks-conspiracy/

Is that really how it works? Some random guy on the Internet can hint that he knows the verdict ahead of time, and that's it, we need a mistrial now? Would this work for someone else? Hey guys, my brother is on Hunter Biden's jury, and he's already promised a conviction! MAGA forever!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2024, 02:07:05 AM »
Wow, hypocritical. Stormy Daniels retracting her claim that she slept with Trump doesn't stop you from disbelieving her.

Daniels didn't "retract" anything by saying she didn't sleep with Trump. She literally just made a lame joke about how their encounter didn't involve any sleeping:



I'm not going to waste any more time on the ridiculous Segura story. Anyone can claim anything they want about their life or their career on the Internet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 02:09:05 AM »
There's no evidence that either of the Clintons have had anyone killed. That's just a lie that right-wing media have repeated so much that even some relatively normal people have apparently begun taking it for granted now. I've seen the ominous "lists" of victims, I've seen the "evidence," and none of it amounts to anything more than happenstance. To respond to some of Tom's points, nobody, including Trump, is disputing that Cohen paid Daniels the money, so unless the argument is that Trump had thought at the time that Cohen was simply stealing from him rather than paying Daniels, I don't see how repeatedly bringing up the Red Finch incident and calling Cohen a thief is meant to exonerate Trump. Despite the crank website that Tom linked doing its best to dress up the allegations of Cohen and Daniel being both partners in crime and lovers as a "report" to be taken seriously, it is in fact just a story from a random guy on Twitter. A quick look at his account suggests to me that his claims of being a successful, well-connected businessman and data scientist are almost certainly not true, and neither is his story of Michael Avenatti casually confiding in him his elaborate criminal conspiracy with Cohen and Daniels.

Oh, and after writing the above, I did a bit more research, and it turns out that OAN already tried writing an article based on this guy Seruga's account. Here's their story, and here's their retraction when Cohen sued and OAN realized they had no evidence that their story was true beyond a "trust me, bro" from a random guy on Twitter. Funny how that works.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 03, 2024, 08:59:16 PM »
That, along with the bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. Not to mention the fact that Trump's "I was just paying my lawyer" defense was extremely implausible on the face of it - why would Trump suddenly give his lawyer a $130,000 bonus?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 03, 2024, 04:46:09 PM »
Trump falsified his business records by disguising his payments to Cohen as being for legal services rather than reimbursements for the payment to Daniels. Election-related expenses need to be properly declared, which Trump didn't want to do because it would have defeated the purpose of paying Daniels for her silence to begin with. Again, elections have rules, no matter how much Trump and his fans don't like or understand that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 01, 2024, 02:24:52 AM »
Beyond the testimony of the witnesses, there were bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. You're making a crude argument from your own ignorance if you're going to insist that there was no evidence simply because you didn't hear about what the evidence was - something that you could have easily rectified by paying attention to the trial.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 04:47:46 PM »
The Jones case was an out-of-court settlement for a lawsuit over sexual harassment. It wasn't "hush money," it was a very public affair that needed the Supreme Court to first settle if sitting presidents could be sued, and there was no ongoing election that Clinton could have been violating the laws over. Elections have rules, no matter how much Trump and his fans don't like it and don't understand it. Just like it's illegal for foreign governments to interfere and try to swing the election one way or the other, it's also illegal to cover up campaign payments instead of properly declaring them. The irony, of course, is that Trump never needed to make this payment at all, let alone cover it up. Trump's fans admire him all the more for having an affair with a porn star, while also paradoxically maintaining that it never happened at all. And of course nobody will be persuaded to not vote for Trump just because of this verdict.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 14, 2024, 01:19:48 AM »
Again, I still don't understand exactly how wanting someone who has been charged with multiple crimes to have their day in court is wanting to "eliminate due process;" much less how having that same person entirely avoid having their day in court by being elected president and then abusing their office to make their legal problems go away is totally fine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Man or bear?
« on: May 11, 2024, 04:08:21 AM »
I'd prefer it to be a moose. I feel like a moose and I could just let each other be. There would be an unspoken understanding between us that its mooseness and my humanness present no legitimate potential for conflict. Thus harmony prevails.

Praise the moose.

Please be careful. While moose aren't usually aggressive towards people, they're such enormous animals that they pose an inherent risk, and they can lash out if they feel threatened.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 08, 2024, 03:30:53 PM »
Yes, it's almost as if one party in this case is doing everything they can to keep delaying this trial until the election in the hopes of winning the presidency and making all their legal problems go away. I wonder who it could be?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 07, 2024, 03:04:03 PM »
Who cares? Seriously, how is this a valid legal issue?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 01, 2024, 01:23:09 AM »
Very impressive, Trump now has even more paper wealth that he can't realize or use in any meaningful way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 01, 2024, 12:04:10 AM »
I have nothing to say in the face of such a thorough rebuttal. Anyway, so much winning:

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1244294199/trump-gag-order-hush-money-trial

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 24, 2024, 02:24:02 AM »
The Secret Service ensure Trump can't reveal things to people just as much as they protect him.

The fact that Secret Service protection for former presidents is an entirely optional service that the protectee is free to decline is enough to prove that this is wrong, and even if it weren't, a little bit of common sense will quickly point out the flaws in that theory. Do the Secret Service agents monitor their protectee's phone or intercept and read everything they write down? Do they suddenly rush in and get uncomfortably close so they can eavesdrop if their protectee is whispering in someone else's ear? Of course not. Their job is to protect VIPs, not to monitor or control them. I would go so far as to speculate that agents are strongly encouraged to avoid listening too closely to what their protectee is saying to other people so as to be seen as more discreet and trustworthy, although that's just my instinct of what the culture of the agency is probably like.

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Even if Trump were sentenced to "prison" it would likely end up a form of house arrest. Trump isn't going to go to some random state or federal prison...Allowing a rambling old man who knows more national security information than most people into a prison is ridiculous.

I agree, but nevertheless, this would be impossible with the Secret Service in their current form. Legislation would be needed to either strip convicted felons of their Secret Service protection and let another agency handle the imprisonment or expand the Secret Service's functions to include providing custody of such a prisoner. I don't think anyone who matters was ever seriously suggesting we should just fling Trump into the general population of any given prison and let him fend for himself, which is exactly why the cries of "they want Trump murdered!" are so disingenuous.

This is what Action80 is talking about, if anyone's wondering and doesn't want to click his link. There's no one single case against Powell, there's no mention of this case being considered "frivolous," and I don't really think it's all that big of a deal whether or not Powell ends up being "disciplined" by the Texas Bar at all.

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