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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Water on Mars
« on: July 27, 2018, 05:25:52 PM »

I merely suggested that that is silly, it's like suggesting that New Yorkers born in New York should stay there.


the difference is that we evolved on this planet and are uniquely suited to live here (food source, gravity, breathable air, water, temperatures, etc).  yes, i am sure they could possibly build something on Mars that could allow people to live there for a short time, but our bodies are not built for that environment.  how would humans be able to live long term in that much reduced gravity?  one step outside and they are dead.  its no different than the ability to build an underwater city, which would be more feasable and cheaper by the way.  that said, this is all based on the non-sense that any of this is true.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity through reason
« on: July 27, 2018, 05:21:45 PM »
Hello,

(Warning: I did not come to the final point with this post, and I need a break for now, but it is far enough to start some discussion.

how about read the wiki first.

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Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, I won't actually be conducting this research!

Just trying to get my head around the FE ice wall versus RE Antarctica. Am I right in thinking that the circumference of the ice wall (surrounding the Earth) would be far, far greater than the circumference of the RE Antarctica?

So assuming we mere mortals can't access the Antarctica itself (at least without special dispensation from the EU) could we theoretically sail the perimeter? In doing so, could we measure the distance sailed - perhaps using traditional knots rather than GPS - and identify which model is most likely accurate?

Thanks!
using the monopole map

not sure thats the best assumption to make, i dont think the monopole map is followed as much, specifically on this forum.

Based on the Wiki: "the earth is in the form of a disk with the North Pole in the center and Antarctica as a wall around the edge. This is the generally accepted model among members of the society. In this model, circumnavigation is performed by moving in a great circle around the North Pole"

Is there another map for reference?
the two pole model, which from my experience so far on this specific forum seems to be the most followed.  a lot of the wiki was copied over from the old website i believe and slowly being updated.  that said, i am pretty new here so will defer to the others to chime in. 

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Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, I won't actually be conducting this research!

Just trying to get my head around the FE ice wall versus RE Antarctica. Am I right in thinking that the circumference of the ice wall (surrounding the Earth) would be far, far greater than the circumference of the RE Antarctica?

So assuming we mere mortals can't access the Antarctica itself (at least without special dispensation from the EU) could we theoretically sail the perimeter? In doing so, could we measure the distance sailed - perhaps using traditional knots rather than GPS - and identify which model is most likely accurate?

Thanks!
using the monopole map

not sure thats the best assumption to make, i dont think the monopole map is followed as much, specifically on this forum.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Water on Mars
« on: July 26, 2018, 12:35:59 PM »
Elon Musk will be all over it.

He's still trying to wash the stench off his last publicity stunt gone wrong. Turning up to a genuine emergency with some useless submarine that doesn't work, and then calling a hero that rescued the kids a paedophile when he called Musk out on his obvious attention seeking.

So he'll be telling everyone that Space X will be flying men to Mars, knowing NASA won't call him out on this equally obvious rouse. My guessing is that the astronauts picked will be the first 'openly gay' man in space, an African American and a disabled woman for maximum media coverage and general worship from the mainstream media. Musk will be described as brave and courageous for standing up to bigotry and given lots more 'investment' from the Federal Reserve as it counterfeits money and shovels it into Tesla stock. Meanwhile the 3 actors hired will do a bit of green screen work and then go on endless morning chat shows to talk about the prejudices they have overcome and how people need to follow their dreams to be just like them. You heard it here first, folks.

all correct, but i wont give you too much credit...what you described basically follows the script thus far.  almost like it written by a hollywood movie...hmmm  :)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Water on Mars
« on: July 25, 2018, 08:46:40 PM »
They need to drum up support for another "mars" mission.

yep, and they are making it a bit too obvious at this point.  gotta keep feeding that machine ($$$)


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Flat Earth Investigations / Water on Mars
« on: July 25, 2018, 07:35:15 PM »
The NASA fools are at it again.  time for our every 3 month "great discovery" to be released.  this time its the claim that Mars has a lake a mile under its surface.  what a joke, they could at least try and mix it up.  the constant PR drip, drip, drip timing by them is getting to be a bit obvious.  after every release they get publicity and keep enough interest going to maintain bringing in the $$$$....then the attention goes away for a while and oh look!  another discovery!  cant wait for the next great "discovery"

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Query: Age and formation of the Flat Earth
« on: July 19, 2018, 04:37:09 PM »
Well, this would seem to be a bit of a stumbling block to the whole FE hypothesis as it seems no one here knows.


i dont agree with that at all.

What happened/existed before the Big Bang?  no one knows...does that mean the universe doesnt exist?

the age of Round Earth is continually changing over the past 100 years, and thats with the full backing of most scientists working on it...you expect the limited money of FE to have those kind of resources to work on independently verifying the age of the earth?  and what bearing would knowing the age have to do with knowing its shape???  much bigger fish to fry here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: 100% undebunkable
« on: July 18, 2018, 06:53:19 PM »
Yeah, I already told you that. And relativity ...


Also, if I gave you the equation for momentum ... you'd be happy with p = m* v

However when looking at momentum of air for in-compressible air the equation for momentum needs to be expanded to



With compressible I need to expand again.

I can do the same with the drag equation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation

You'd be happy with


But that doesn't include relativity.

You ending up with 1000 miles per hour is the trap I set. The delta is actually only the slowing caused by friction. Say 5 mph in a light wind. V is exponential ... V^2 so you'd have been a million miles away scratching your head.

Like I said, we are done with this thread. The fun has been sucked out of it.
What??!!!

That equation has absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with momentum.  What you have done, but are ill equipped to realize it, is to show someone else' derivation of the density distribution through an incomprehensible fluid from the mass continuity equation.  the character 'ρ' in that equation is 'rho', meaning density, not 'p' for momentum.

You have not even completed the derivation.  It needs to be set = to zero (as density is assumed not to vary over time in the applicable case) to give a partial differential equation which then needs to be solved.

You're out of your depth man.

Baby Thork, we are still best friends...but come on man.  you boofed this one up good.  BillO is completely right.  this is a derivation of the mass continuity equation assuming newtonian fluids...

will give you the benefit of the doubt and hopefully you just posted the wrong image.


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Query: Age and formation of the Flat Earth
« on: July 18, 2018, 02:57:38 PM »
I have searched this site and cannot find anything about how and when the Flat Earth was formed.

Is there any accepted estimate on when it formed and how that formation occurred?

not that i have seen either.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE and relativity
« on: July 16, 2018, 08:18:30 PM »
FEs say we can accelerate towards the speed of light (to make gravity) forever because special theory of relativity and never quite get there. So Einstein is right and valid? Einstein also said, and presented math, checked by millions, that predicted that when you approach the speed of light, your mass becomes infinite. So we must be close to the speed of light by now, within a fraction of a percent. Either we should be extremely massive, Einstain was wrong, or the RE is correct. Am I wrong on this?

Its important to note there is no way that would be be able to observe the earth's mass increasing since you are in the same reference frame (earth).  No way to prove/disprove UA from that standpoint.  only way you could tell is if you were able to be an outside observer which is impossible.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Aircraft flying upside down?
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:46:45 PM »
I would venture the OP misheard the supposed FE.

I'm not convinced he did. In one of this guy's videos, he specifically outlined to the interview subjects that the earth cannot be a globe because "if you looked at the Earth from the Moon, and zoomed in a camera, the planes flying in the Southern hemisphere would be flying upside-down. That's a real-world observation"



As close to verbatim as I can get. I think he's deleted the video now, I can't find the specific one that I saw, but I recall commenting on it at the time.

so some numbnuts that believes in flat earth is an idiot and he is the official spokesman for Flat Earth Theory?

gotcha, so that crazy guy on history channel that is the go too alien nutjob...well guess what, he believes in round earth, so should you guys have to respond to his antics?  i think not

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Aircraft flying upside down?
« on: July 16, 2018, 03:02:43 PM »
I watched a televised interview with some FE'ers. One of them said that if someone could show him an aeroplane flying upside down then he would be ready  to believe in the possibility of earth being round. first off, aeroplanes can and often do fly upside down (military ones anyway) The point is that from earth and after all that's the only place we can see them from) aeroplanes do seem to fly right up. but from space those at the lower end of the planet would appear to be upside down . This is because they have their lower halves pointing toward us and has nothing to do with the earth being flat.
what on earth are you talking about.  what legit FE'er said a plane cant fly upside down.  is there a question here?

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all over the place here.  why wouldnt earth be a closed system?  we are not talking about a sudden acceleration that just started.  that would cause air to "swoosh" for lack of a better term.  but we are talking about an acceleration over a very long period of time.  why wouldnt the air equalize?

If you accept that space is a vaccuum and the earth isn't

you answered your own question.  if one is a vacuum and the other isnt....closed syste.  what the mechanics are that creates that, well i could make up something like you guys do, or i can be honest and say i dont know.  i choose to be honest.

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TomInAustin, FE often includes either a wall or dome to hold in the air.  Acceleration is indistinguishable from gravity so air is held down and the wall or dome would hold it in.

Yes I am familiar with the concepts.    Dome, wall, etc. 

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Round Eyes, good analogy about air in an airplane.  This works well when the plane is traveling at a mostly constant speed.  Denser gasses rise and less dense gasses sink.  When the plane is taking off, however, it's accelerating so denser gasses get pushed back and less dense gasses get pushed forward.  If you've been in a car with a helium balloon you get to experience the strange phenomenon where the balloon rushed to the front when you accelerate.

Good point but only if the gas is also accelerating.  Again it's in a closed system.

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I agree, this line of questioning doesn't seem to have a fruitful end to poke a hole in UA.  TomInAustin, could you help us out and skip forward a bit?  Do you have something in mind at the end of this questioning?

What would you consider fruitful questions?  Sunrise, spotlight sun, ice wall, distance from New York to Paris?  These have been beaten to death but I have not seen these questions asked.  Certainly not is the air being pushed by UA?  Or why does a light gas rise in UA?  That makes zero sense unless there is a dome.

all over the place here.  why wouldnt earth be a closed system?  we are not talking about a sudden acceleration that just started.  that would cause air to "swoosh" for lack of a better term.  but we are talking about an acceleration over a very long period of time.  why wouldnt the air equalize?

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Hello, complete crazy people!  :D So, I was just wondering how on (round) Earth anyone can believe what you do.

great post, thanks for contributing

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It's called fluid dynamics.    Again, try the dry ice, take the cutting board you already have out, put a cup of water and dry ice on it, move the board up and see what happens to the vapor that is an analog for air.   Does it move straight up or does it roll over the edge?  You can see this and it fits the model of observable results.


thats a pretty horrible way to think about things.  based on the way you think, then i should just post the funny youtube video of the guys pouring water on a bowling ball.  "look all the water flys off the ball!  globe earth is fake!"  geez, come on

now take a similar comparison, one more comprable.  the air inside of an airplane moving 350 mph.  is all the air compressed to the back of the plane?  is the jet engine directly applying force to the air?  no.  its all moving the same speed as the plane itself, the object in contact with air is applying a force/pressure on the air and its acting accoringly. 

this is a pretty poor attempt to disprove UA..and you think its a "gotcha question" which i knew you were getting too and for some reason you said you werent.  lets not lie about our intentions here, its fine to question FET and fight against it, just dont say you're not

there are some other major flaws in UA theory that you havent even hit on.  I dont prescribe to UA i am just trying to answer questions on it.

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That is what I was looking for but Round Eyes can't seem to give straight answers.  It was not a hard question.  The next obvious question if the ground is pushing the air up, why does in not flow over the edge.  This can be very easily demonstrated.

you are asking a question that is already common knowledge with UA.  Its pretty clear that it states there is a force being applied to the earth to push it upward.  how do you apply a force to air as well?  sorry i didnt understand your question, i really didnt think you were asking if the force is applied to the air.  of course its applied to the solid structure of earth and everything goes up with.  why on earth would air be pushed up and over an edge????

easily demonstrated?? how? 

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So, Earth is not stationary? I've seen ststic model represented in other sites. They disown this group and it's premise of UA theory. Not sure which one to believe.

the two main ones i have studied are UA and infinite plane.  infinite plane utilizes traditional gravity and stationary earth.  the third i have read about involves density, but that is not really subscribed to on this site.

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Now in FE does the speed of light remain constant?
Does the formula E=mc^2  hold true.

of course
Ah most excellent so the earth has been accelerating at a constant 9.8 m/ss for a number of years.
So what speed are we currently accelerating from and to?

Do you think an object of mass can reach the speed of light??  Already established UA accepts special relativity.

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