[Quranic Warners]

So if morning did not occur until after this it still does not matter, even if you want to say it took billions of years for the heavens and the earth to be created before the first day

The title of this thread is "Did Jesus preach that earth was a globe and was created in billions of years?" If the morning did not occur until after this does matter.


If the earth was created prior to the first morning (as the bible has written) then the we have no idea how much time passed prior to the first morning thus don't know if the earth was created in billions of years or 1 second.

If the earth was created after the first morning (which contradicts the bible) and you believe the first day to be a literal 24 earth hour period  then the earth was created in less than 24 hours.


This is just about the age of the earth. Which, according to the bible, is unknown.

If you want to greater analyze Genesis day there is great debate with translation, as well as interpretation. If the sun was not made to provide light to the earth prior to the 4th "day" were the previous 3 "days" earth days? If they were how was morning and evening on earth without the Sun? Maybe this indicates that the Genesis "days" were not literal earth days but some other measurement of time. When I say back in the day i'm referring to a period of time not a literal 24 hour earth period. Maybe the word day was only referring to the 12 or so hours between sunrise and sunset and not a 24 hour earth rotation?

Just answer the question I asked in the original post, not the title, the title has a character limit so I had to choose just part of the actual question.  We could go on forever arguing about all this and I have already heard these responses you and the others are giving me.

Did Jesus and the other prophets preach that the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days or in billions of years?  Did they preach the earth was flat or a globe?  And did they preach that man was created from clay or that man evolved from apes over millions of years?  Ultimately, did the prophets preach what the Bible was saying, or did they preach what science was saying at the time?

[iamcpc]

Did Jesus and the other prophets preach that the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days or in billions of years? 

This is open to interpretation as previously explained. This depends on what you consider a "day ".

-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 24 hour earth days with no time passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 24 hour earth days with an unknown amount of time passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 24 hour earth days with billions of years passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 12 hour earth daylight periods between morning and evening with no time passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 12 hour earth daylight periods between morning and evening with an unknown amount of time passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 literal 12 hour earth daylight periods between morning and evening with billions of years passing prior to the first morning.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 creation "days" which are an unknown period of time.
-Some followers of the teachings of Jesus believe the entire universe was created in 7 creation "days" which are billions of years.

Did they preach the earth was flat or a globe?

This is open to interpretation as previously explained. This depends on what you consider  "earth".

I would say that a vast majority of the followers of the teachings of Jesus would say the bible says nothing about the planet that we live on being flat.

And did they preach that man was created from clay or that man evolved from apes over millions of years?   

Again much of this goes back to the "day" in Genesis. Followers of the teachings of Jesus believe a rainbow of different things. Some believe the bible has similes, metaphors, and parables while some believe that it is 100% literal. If you attend a bible study group these things become great topics of discussion and many times people disagree.

Ultimately, did the prophets preach what the Bible was saying, or did they preach what science was saying at the time?

This also depends on who you ask. Most people who follow the teachings of Jesus would say that the prophets were only preaching the word of God.

[JonBonJovi]

clam shells on everest explains the flood in the time of noah   

[juner]

clam shells on everest explains the flood in the time of noah   

Refrain from low content posting in the upper fora. Warned.

[Catnip]

Jesus was not Pythagoras or Eratosthenes. He didn't care about the shape of the earth. His concern was liberating people from sin and Hell, so he taught God's word.

[Dr David Thork]

Jesus was not Pythagoras or Eratosthenes. He didn't care about the shape of the earth. His concern was liberating people from sin and Hell, so he taught God's word.

I'm pretty sure Jesus was concerned with over throwing Roman rule and used religion to galvanise people.

The disciples weren't peace loving gentle people. Peter cut off a Roman soldiers ear with his sword. What is a disciple preaching peace even doing with a sword? Peter also shook people down for donations to the cause. Jesus went and over threw all the stands in the temple. And he was crucified. It is a lie to say he was crucified next to two thieves. Romans didn't crucify thieves. They only crucified traitors to the Roman empire. And that's how they viewed Jesus. He was an activist and cult leader ... these days we would call him a terrorist and his disciples a cell.

[edby]

Jesus was not Pythagoras or Eratosthenes. He didn't care about the shape of the earth. His concern was liberating people from sin and Hell, so he taught God's word.

I'm pretty sure Jesus was concerned with over throwing Roman rule and used religion to galvanise people.

The disciples weren't peace loving gentle people. Peter cut off a Roman soldiers ear with his sword. What is a disciple preaching peace even doing with a sword? Peter also shook people down for donations to the cause. Jesus went and over threw all the stands in the temple. And he was crucified. It is a lie to say he was crucified next to two thieves. Romans didn't crucify thieves. They only crucified traitors to the Roman empire. And that's how they viewed Jesus. He was an activist and cult leader ... these days we would call him a terrorist and his disciples a cell.

This article http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/crux002.pdf  cites Zestermann, "Die Kreuzigung," 360-65 as saying ‘Criminals and persons from the lower classes of the societies were predominant’. See also his citation of Hengel:

Whereas it seems clear so far that crucifixion and impaling - the two are closely connected - appear in connection with crimes of lèse-majesté and high treason, or in the context of acts of war, in the Roman period this form of execution appears more frequently as a punishment for slaves and violent criminals from among the population of the provinces Crucifixion, 76.