[Ghost of V]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656

Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.

I watched it but I'm... confused.  It looks like they kept the kid covered by their guns even after they shot him.

What did you expect? For them to speed off after shooting?

For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.

They were waiting for him to turn.

[Pete Svarrior]

For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.

Pure speculation on my part, but here's a hypothetical explanation: To them, at the time, it's a kid with what might be a gun. They also can't know for sure if he's dead. What they can know is that he's down, and that he still has what may be a gun. If he's not dead, he might still reach for it and start shooting.

[Lord Dave]

For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.

Pure speculation on my part, but here's a hypothetical explanation: To them, at the time, it's a kid with what might be a gun. They also can't know for sure if he's dead. What they can know is that he's down, and that he still has what may be a gun. If he's not dead, he might still reach for it and start shooting.

But once he drops you kick the gun away while your partner covers you.  At that point you see its a BB gun and go "oh shit".

[spoon]

What happens after they shoot him is irrelevant. Why they had to shoot him in the first place is what is important.

[rooster]

It's totally possible they told him to drop the gun and it's totally possible that he didn't.

It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.

[spoon]

It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.

I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.

[Hoppy]

It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.

I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.

They treat him as a serious threat. They drove up and shot his ass.

[spoon]

It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.

I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.

They treat him as a serious threat. They drove up and shot his ass.

top knotch poast

[Ghost Spaghetti]

Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.

[Ghost of V]

Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.

Adding to this, are all police taught to shoot to kill? Or do they just have terrible aim?

[Particle Person]

Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.

Adding to this, are all police taught to shoot to kill? Or do they just have terrible aim?

Yes, they are only trained to shoot to kill. A gun is never meant to be used to inflict non-lethal injuries. Cops aren't 360 noscoping people's kneecaps.

[Saddam Hussein]

Aiming for center mass is the most reliable way to take someone down with a bullet.  It's incredibly difficult to hit a moving limb, and it doesn't guarantee incapacitation.

[Ghost of V]

Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.

[Rama Set]

A shotgun can use ammunition that sprays so it's not like a sniper shot or anything.

[Rushy]

Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.

What does this have to do with their comments? Shooting limbs is difficult, that doesn't mean it is impossible. I was simply pointing out that a child can be very dangerous with a gun, since you seemed to be assuming that guns become magically harmless in the hands of a child and therefore no one should ever take a gun toting child seriously.

[Ghost of V]

Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.

What does this have to do with their comments? Shooting limbs is difficult, that doesn't mean it is impossible. I was simply pointing out that a child can be very dangerous with a gun, since you seemed to be assuming that guns become magically harmless in the hands of a child and therefore no one should ever take a gun toting child seriously.

I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.

[Rushy]

I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.

I doubt the police or anyone else immediately identified it was an airsoft gun unless it was some bright color. Most airsoft guns are built to look real so kiddies can play cops n robbers. Its a dumb reason, buts thats why.

[Ghost of V]

I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.

I doubt the police or anyone else immediately identified it was an airsoft gun unless it was some bright color. Most airsoft guns are built to look real so kiddies can play cops n robbers. Its a dumb reason, buts thats why.

Most airsoft guns have orange rubber tips.

Also, the person who called in and tipped off the popo said the gun was "probably fake".

[Rushy]

Most airsoft guns have orange rubber tips.

Some, not all. We don't know enough details on the realism of the gun (we do know it was real enough to warrant lethal force).

[Vindictus]

Brings to mind that story of a little girl whose parents gave a MAC-10 for fun on a shooting range. Lost control of the recoil (big fucking surprise) and shot the instructor over her shoulder right in the face.

What is it with you guys and your gun culture? The only people I meet with that kind of attitude about guns are hardcore low IQ bogans.