The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Lord Dave on May 25, 2014, 01:09:42 AM
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead
Yep. 7 dead.
This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
I also am beginning to suspect that this is not random. Something about all this just strikes me as very odd. Only a few of these shooters have survived (not for a lack of trying) and yet we've heard nothing of them. What did the psych reports say? Did they feel guilty after? Do they act normal? Did they have a motive?
If I were a man who believed in such things, I'd think that this was some kind of experiment to get a drug or brainwashing method or something to cause a rational, unsuspecting, normal person to go on a killing spree of his peers. Why you ask? What else: war. Just imagine if you could capture anyone and turn them into a suicide gunner? Capture private johnny and let him walk into that military base and shoot the place up.
And with the gunshot to the head, no evidence and no witnesses to speak of why they did it.
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You wouldn't even have to brainwash people. Give someone enough justification and almost anyone could be capable of being a suicide gunner.
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It looks like this guy had a lot of red flags, including videos posted on the Internet detailing his intentions. Why did no one feel the need to report any of it before this happened? Very strange.
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It looks like this guy had a lot of red flags, including videos posted on the Internet detailing his intentions. Why did no one feel the need to report any of it before this happened? Very strange.
Well this is America. We don't concern ourselves with the business of others unless it's directly against our own.
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Well this is America. We don't concern ourselves with the business of others unless it's directly against our own.
Your part of America must be very different than mine.
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Well this is America. We don't concern ourselves with the business of others unless it's directly against our own.
Your part of America must be very different than mine.
I live in New York where most people avoid eye contact with the homeless.
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Here's his autobiography. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto)
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Here's his autobiography. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto)
It definitely centers around sex and his frustration with it. We do live in a culture that puts an abnormally high importance on it, but aside from that he also let his desires consume him, and also objectifies women while simultaneously blaming them for not liking him. "I drive a BMW but women don't like me."
I can't really see any of it as a good reason for him doing this.
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He had a very entertaining YouTube channel, I'll give him that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqn8gTmEQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0iLHGRaYRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHfoLnCN2no
Goodnight, sweet prince. Perhaps he's now in an eighties-themed heaven.
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There's a lot of interesting information out there on predicting violence which we're pretty terrible at because we love denial.
People probably saw the warning signs but chose to ignore them.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead
Yep. 7 dead.
This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
I also am beginning to suspect that this is not random. Something about all this just strikes me as very odd. Only a few of these shooters have survived (not for a lack of trying) and yet we've heard nothing of them. What did the psych reports say? Did they feel guilty after? Do they act normal? Did they have a motive?
If I were a man who believed in such things, I'd think that this was some kind of experiment to get a drug or brainwashing method or something to cause a rational, unsuspecting, normal person to go on a killing spree of his peers. Why you ask? What else: war. Just imagine if you could capture anyone and turn them into a suicide gunner? Capture private johnny and let him walk into that military base and shoot the place up.
And with the gunshot to the head, no evidence and no witnesses to speak of why they did it.
Have you even tried to find out what his motive was?
The video I linked has been removed. Basically, he was upset about not having sex and being lonely. In other words, he is just like every other person who has ever shot people at their school since the dawn of time .
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This video is not available in your country.
The newspaper quoted Shifman as saying police officers had interviewed Rodger but concluded he posed no danger. Shifman said they had found him to be a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human," the Times said.
Welp, someone's losing their job. This is also interesting:
http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/260fod/hes_magnificent_but_no_girl_will_ever_give_him_a/
Some retards in /r/cringe are better at detecting serial killers than Police are.
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This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
You could try revisiting your gun-laws. ::)
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All he needed was a better fitting fedora.
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This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
You could try revisiting your gun-laws. ::)
Why do you hate freedom?
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead)
Yep. 7 dead.
This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
I also am beginning to suspect that this is not random. Something about all this just strikes me as very odd. Only a few of these shooters have survived (not for a lack of trying) and yet we've heard nothing of them. What did the psych reports say? Did they feel guilty after? Do they act normal? Did they have a motive?
If I were a man who believed in such things, I'd think that this was some kind of experiment to get a drug or brainwashing method or something to cause a rational, unsuspecting, normal person to go on a killing spree of his peers. Why you ask? What else: war. Just imagine if you could capture anyone and turn them into a suicide gunner? Capture private johnny and let him walk into that military base and shoot the place up.
And with the gunshot to the head, no evidence and no witnesses to speak of why they did it.
Have you even tried to find out what his motive was?
The video I linked has been removed. Basically, he was upset about not having sex and being lonely. In other words, he is just like every other person who has ever shot people at their school since the dawn of time .
That's a great motive for suicide but not random mass killings.
And it's not like there aren't millions of people with the exact same feelings (lonely and sex deprived). So why haven't they gone off the deep end and murdered random people? And why is it more frequent now? Humans have had these feels since the dawn of time (as you said).
Also, I posted that before his "manifesto" was revealed.
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This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
You could try revisiting your gun-laws. ::)
Why do you hate freedom?
If a snotty nosed kid comes up to me in the park with a gun, and asks me for my wallet, I'm going to have to give it to him. That's not freedom.
If neither of us have a gun, I have the option of giving him my wallet or feeding him his teeth. In that scenario, I have freedom of choice.
A gun isn't a liberator. Its an oppressor.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead)
Yep. 7 dead.
This is turning into a very normal thing. I suspect that nothing we do is going to alter this.
I also am beginning to suspect that this is not random. Something about all this just strikes me as very odd. Only a few of these shooters have survived (not for a lack of trying) and yet we've heard nothing of them. What did the psych reports say? Did they feel guilty after? Do they act normal? Did they have a motive?
If I were a man who believed in such things, I'd think that this was some kind of experiment to get a drug or brainwashing method or something to cause a rational, unsuspecting, normal person to go on a killing spree of his peers. Why you ask? What else: war. Just imagine if you could capture anyone and turn them into a suicide gunner? Capture private johnny and let him walk into that military base and shoot the place up.
And with the gunshot to the head, no evidence and no witnesses to speak of why they did it.
Have you even tried to find out what his motive was?
The video I linked has been removed. Basically, he was upset about not having sex and being lonely. In other words, he is just like every other person who has ever shot people at their school since the dawn of time .
That's a great motive for suicide but not random mass killings.
And it's not like there aren't millions of people with the exact same feelings (lonely and sex deprived). So why haven't they gone off the deep end and murdered random people? And why is it more frequent now? Humans have had these feels since the dawn of time (as you said).
Also, I posted that before his "manifesto" was revealed.
It takes a very special and rare combination of mental illnesses to result in behavior this extreme. I don't know why this sort of thing seems to be more common now, but it probably isn't because the government is brainwashing people so that they can use them as weapons. There's already a system in place for that, and it doesn't even really require brainwashing in the traditional sense of the word. It's called the military.
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It takes a very special and rare combination of mental illnesses to result in behavior this extreme. I don't know why this sort of thing seems to be more common now
Its because you have allowed big pharma to push psychoactive drugs to the young.
(http://www.educationreport.org/media/images/2001/mer2001-01c.jpg)
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It takes a very special and rare combination of mental illnesses to result in behavior this extreme. I don't know why this sort of thing seems to be more common now
Its because you have allowed big pharma to push psychoactive drugs to the young.
(http://www.educationreport.org/media/images/2001/mer2001-01c.jpg)
Seems legit.
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Its because you have allowed big pharma to push psychoactive drugs to the young.
(http://www.futuremind.ox.ac.uk/images/perscriptions-chart.gif)
Better watch out, Thork, you're next.
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Why is it that you have to be mentally ill to do something like this? Healthy people are violent people too.
Like already pointed out, we do it in the military it's just directed towards our enemy. But this kid saw wealthy happy people as his enemy. Suicide is also the logical decision after this. He knows he shouldn't have done it and would live through trial and prison but he rather just escape.
We all get depressed now and then. A combination of abuse (including neglect) could make a healthy person do this. In fact, I think it's dangerous to assume all shooters are mentally ill because that distances them from people you might know who have the potential to behave violently but may not seem ill.
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Its because you have allowed big pharma to push psychoactive drugs to the young.
(http://www.futuremind.ox.ac.uk/images/perscriptions-chart.gif)
Better watch out, Thork, you're next.
Our mentally ill kids can't go to their father's gun cupboard and take a gun to school with them.
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Our mentally ill kids can't go to their father's gun cupboard and take a gun to school with them.
Yes, they really can, Thork. Your gun laws aren't "NO GUNS EVER LOL"
There are many people that own guns in the UK. So your excuse that it has to do with gun laws or Ritalin is nonsense. It's sub-par, even for you.
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Does Ritalin make people want to shoot others all of a sudden?
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Why did no one feel the need to report any of it before this happened? Very strange.
Because if the gubmint investigated ever tard on the internet waving a gun they'd be investigating half the population. Prove me wrong.
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Because if the gubmint investigated ever tard on the internet waving a gun they'd be investigating half the population. Prove me wrong.
This wasn't a man waving a gun though, in fact, almost half of the people he killed were stabbed to death.
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Because if the gubmint investigated ever tard on the internet waving a gun they'd be investigating half the population. Prove me wrong.
This wasn't a man waving a gun though, in fact, almost half of the people he killed were stabbed to death.
OK scale that back to "if the gubmint investigated ever tard on the internet expressing homicidal tendencies they'd be investigating half the population"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qHxAVP5Zu8
etc
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Does Ritalin make people want to shoot others all of a sudden?
I just picked Ritalin as I found a quick graph showing how fast this kind of drug use is rising. Its not restricted to Ritalin. Kids are bing diagnosed with depression, OCD, ADHD etc etc at rates never seen before. Its not because they all have psychiatric problems. For many its eating shit food, no exercise, poor parenting, lack of stimulus and too much time sat in front of computers and TV which (and I know this will be argued here cos everyone loves computer games), but spending several hours playing games is obsessive behaviour that does nothing to promote social skills over a prolonged period.
And doctors just prescribe the problem away with psychoactive drugs. On an industrial scale.
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I just picked Ritalin as I found a quick graph showing how fast this kind of drug use is rising. Its not restricted to Ritalin. Kids are bing diagnosed with depression, OCD, ADHD etc etc at rates never seen before. Its not because they all have psychiatric problems. For many its eating shit food, no exercise, poor parenting, lack of stimulus and too much time sat in front of computers and TV which (and I know this will be argued here cos everyone loves computer games), but spending several hours playing games is obsessive behaviour that does nothing to promote social skills over a prolonged period.
And doctors just prescribe the problem away with psychoactive drugs. On an industrial scale.
Well I can't argue that what you listed aren't problems, but I don't think they're connected the way you think they are.
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Does Ritalin make people want to shoot others all of a sudden?
I just picked Ritalin as I found a quick graph showing how fast this kind of drug use is rising. Its not restricted to Ritalin. Kids are bing diagnosed with depression, OCD, ADHD etc etc at rates never seen before. Its not because they all have psychiatric problems. For many its eating shit food, no exercise, poor parenting, lack of stimulus and too much time sat in front of computers and TV which (and I know this will be argued here cos everyone loves computer games), but spending several hours playing games is obsessive behaviour that does nothing to promote social skills over a prolonged period.
And doctors just prescribe the problem away with psychoactive drugs. On an industrial scale.
Dr Phil is in the building.
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I'm sure he had some type of serious mental disorder. He was pretty good looking and apparently had a lot of money to waste because he spent like $2k on lottery tickets at one point.
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He had a BMW, designer clothes and had time to stare at sunsets. The kid wasn't even middle class.
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Why is it that you have to be mentally ill to do something like this? Healthy people are violent people too.
Like already pointed out, we do it in the military it's just directed towards our enemy. But this kid saw wealthy happy people as his enemy. Suicide is also the logical decision after this. He knows he shouldn't have done it and would live through trial and prison but he rather just escape.
We all get depressed now and then. A combination of abuse (including neglect) could make a healthy person do this. In fact, I think it's dangerous to assume all shooters are mentally ill because that distances them from people you might know who have the potential to behave violently but may not seem ill.
Have you ever considered killing multiple people during a bout of depression? Probably not, but you'd know better than I.
I know I haven't. Its common to want to hurt yourself, but when you hatch a scheme involving the death of several people and then go through it: there's something seriously wrong with you. I don't even want to get into the military doing it all the time, because I don't agree with that at all either... But its something completely different when your superiors glamorize and support murder of enemy soldiers/whatever. Soldiers are encouraged to kill if nessecary, it's evil but it's reality.
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He had a BMW, designer clothes and had time to stare at sunsets. The kid wasn't even middle class.
So? Growing up wealthy in the Hollywood area can put a tremendous amount of pressure on people, just look at young actors/actresses.
Why is it that you have to be mentally ill to do something like this? Healthy people are violent people too.
Like already pointed out, we do it in the military it's just directed towards our enemy. But this kid saw wealthy happy people as his enemy. Suicide is also the logical decision after this. He knows he shouldn't have done it and would live through trial and prison but he rather just escape.
We ase (including neglect) could make a healthy person do this. In fact, I think it's dangerous to assume all shooters are mentally ill because that distances them from people you might know who have the potential to behave violently but may not seem ill.
Have you ever considered killing multiple people during a bout of depression? Probably not, but you'd know better than I.
I know I haven't. Its common to want to hurt yourself, but when you hatch a scheme involving the death of several people and then go through it: there's something seriously wrong with you. I don't even want to get into the military doing it all the time, because I don't agree with that at all either... But its something completely different when your superiors glamorize and support murder of enemy soldiers/whatever. Soldiers are encouraged to kill if nessecary, it's evil but it's reality.
Yes, I have. In fact there are a lot of people who do have those thoughts. Think about it right now. Think about harming your boss, your family, your neighbors, anyone you're jealous of. Think of the most horrific death imaginable. Now you've likely thought about it. You can't help thoughts but acting on them is very different. But if you take a healthy human child and neglect them, put tremendous amounts of pressure on them, then have them feel isolated from a lack of friends, and whatever else may have been going on, then you can create a recipe for an initially healthy person to crack. He may have been bipolar, but it obviously was nothing extreme enough for anyone to notice. And that's why people have trouble seeing warning signs. We expect this behavior from unstable people, people we think are mentally ill. But any healthy person can be pushed given the right circumstances and enough justification.
Now, the broad sense of mental illness is just someone who may have difficulty relating to the people around them. So in the very broad sense, yes he couldn't relate.
But my issue with the term is that people generally think of disorders or unstable mental illness that would be easy to spot. And then you have people who are concerned with spotting troubled kids and helping them. But most teens and young adults are troubled, but we dont expect them to do anything unless they seem unstable. And I'm saying it makes it harder for us to see warning signs when we're only looking for instability.
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rooster, you just described my childhood. I grew up very wealthy, with no friends, and stayed in my room all the time. The problem is you're assuming most children/young adults are similar, when they're not. I am relavity the same as I was back then as well, many people I know contribute this to asbergers syndrome but I have never been properly diagnosed with anything.
I still haven't legit thought about murdering anyone. Even when I'm upset. I've considered hurting people, and have laughed at the prospect of some people around me getting hurt... But I've never gone through with it, and it never comes to the point where I am honestly contemplating killing someone.
I think we are projecting what we think children/young adults should act and think like, but really we have no idea. I think attributing mass murder without justification to mental illness is the best explanation we have at this point. However, there might be a genetic aspect to it as well, but I think that ventures into the realm of pseudo-science.
Maybe some people are genetically predisposed to murder. Perhaps many people, such as yourself, have those thoughts because of that. Perhaps societal pressures do eventually cause these types of people to crack and commit murder, but I'm just guessing at this point. I think most everyone is guessing about this, because most people inherently think its evil and don't understand it.
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He had a BMW, designer clothes and had time to stare at sunsets. The kid wasn't even middle class.
So? Growing up wealthy in the Hollywood area can put a tremendous amount of pressure on people, just look at young actors/actresses.
Oh yeah, I was just talking to Andrew's point mostly. He definitely had some cash, or his dad provided for him in some way.
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rooster, you just described my childhood. I grew up very wealthy, with no friends, and stayed in my room all the time. The problem is you're assuming most children/young adults are similar, when they're not. I am relavity the same as I was back then as well, many people I know contribute this to asbergers syndrome but I have never been properly diagnosed with anything.
I said that given the right circumstances people can be capable of anything. But it is a relatively rare combination of circumstances that causes these things. And yes, people are fairly similar that's why neuroscience and psychoanalysis works so well.
I still haven't legit thought about murdering anyone. Even when I'm upset. I've considered hurting people, and have laughed at the prospect of some people around me getting hurt... But I've never gone through with it, and it never comes to the point where I am honestly contemplating killing someone.
I don't know what the "legit" means. You can think about killing people without honestly contemplating it. There are obviously varying degrees of thought, lots of people have the cathartic passing thought and some people take it several steps further.
I think we are projecting what we think children/young adults should act and think like, bit really we have no idea.
False. People know human behavior fairly well and predicting violence is a surprisingly accurate process at this point, ex. Gavin de Becker and Associates. There are standardized metrics for it. However, I can see how psychoanalysis can seem like pseudoscience.
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I'm 21 haven't had sex the wimminz hate me and bang stupid men.
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I'm 21 haven't had sex the wimminz hate me and bang stupid men.
That's because you aren't confident enough around girls. Girls don't want a doormat who compliments them 24/7. That's why feminism is retarded. They say they want a gentlesir who will respect them and bend to their wishes, but really they just want to get spanked and be called a whore in bed. You have to balance the nice-ness with borderline douchieness. So after you satisfy their animal desires in bed you can buy them icecream and take them to a movie.
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Wait, so making excuses to play video games and browse the internet actually makes the girls like me more?
Andrew, you need to write a handbook.
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All you really need to know is to be the most confident version of yourself. That will help in all areas of life, not just bitches.
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While what Andrew said isn't correct 100% of the time, there is a rather large portion of the female population that really get their kicks from men being assholes to them, some don't even know it, normally the ones who only date assholes but then complain constantly that all the men they date are assholes.
It takes a special kind of douchiness, though, not just any kind of asshole will do.
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I think we've all observed this phenomenon. I was originally being facetious.
Maybe the females are directly related to the mass shootings???
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Maybe the females are directly related to the mass shootings???
Nah. I'd chalk it up to cowardice. The common theme in all of these shootings seems to be that the shooter wants some type of recognition. They don't have the balls to assert themselves socially, so they go kill people because it's easier.
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Wow, it didn't take this thread long to devolve into whining about women and defensive dudebro posturing.
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Wow, it didn't take this thread long to devolve into whining about women and defensive dudebro posturing.
It's the internet, and we're on a website populated by dudes.
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100% of gun massacres occur by people with mental illness. If you disagree with that statement, be prepared to make the case that there are some rational, cool-headed people who, after thinking clearly and weighing the pros and cons, decide to commit mass killings. There aren't. Rather than focusing our efforts on demonizing society, guns, gender or family, we should focus our efforts on getting people with mental illness the help they need. The fact that there's stigma associated with receiving mental health care is a problem. If you know someone in need, reach out and try to get them help. Trying to rationalize an irrational act is futile. Rational people don't go on shooting rampages.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152444077178291&id=17359118290
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What the fuck women, he spent $300 on sunglasses and you didn't even have the decency to sleep with him?
You make me sick.
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100% of gun massacres occur by people with mental illness. If you disagree with that statement, be prepared to make the case that there are some rational, cool-headed people who, after thinking clearly and weighing the pros and cons, decide to commit mass killings. There aren't. Rather than focusing our efforts on demonizing society, guns, gender or family, we should focus our efforts on getting people with mental illness the help they need. The fact that there's stigma associated with receiving mental health care is a problem. If you know someone in need, reach out and try to get them help. Trying to rationalize an irrational act is futile. Rational people don't go on shooting rampages.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152444077178291&id=17359118290
No true scotsman. If you kill lots of people then you're mentally ill. The act of killing lots of people makes you so. The definition of mental illness often isn't grounded in science.
http://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test
I agree with the message though.
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No true scotsman. If you kill lots of people then you're mentally ill. The act of killing lots of people makes you so.
Yeah, it was in response to hordes of people saying that he wasn't mentally ill. I don't think he was trying to make a breakthrough of any sort (he's fucking Maddox), he was just stating the obvious.
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Personally, I think it has something to do with all the media coverage these things get. Mentally unstable kid sees the reaction to previous shooting and thinks, "Hey, that wouldn't be a bad way to go. People would remember me forever!", then has a bad day and decides to go through with it. And then a year later, it happens again.
Goddammit.
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What I said is that mentally ill broadly means that you can't relate to the people around you. This guy didn't "seem" mentally ill is my problem. How can you get someone help when they're not unstable?
We can see when someone is severely bipolar, schizophrenic, or borderline, but you can't easily see when someone just doesn't fit in.
It seems to only make the warning signs more difficult to notice. Everyone who met him said he seemed awkward but polite and "normal". Because the word ill is used it makes it seem like the person should be noticeably different or violent when they often are normal people. Seasonal depression is a mental illness, how often do you notice when someone is seasonally depressed? The very term is what attaches the stigma to it. And it certainly doesn't help us to only know someone is mentally ill after the fact. But there are different signs you can pick up on that are not necessarily related to mentall illness symptoms.
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How can you get someone help when they're not unstable?
By not stigmatising mental illness so that if/when someone feels they need help they can get it.
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How can you get someone help when they're not unstable?
Everyone knew he was unstable. His parents saw the videos he's been uploading and sought help, but the issue was quickly dismissed.
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How can you get someone help when they're not unstable?
By not stigmatising mental illness so that if/when someone feels they need help they can get it.
And many do. So what if we could fix something else that's causing it? That nurture bit in the nature/nurture.
How can you get someone help when they're not unstable?
Everyone knew he was unstable. His parents saw the videos he's been uploading and sought help, but the issue was quickly dismissed.
That is unfortunate. But you can't force an adult to get help until it's too late. Maybe it was more obvious to the parents because the people who came to check on him said he seemed fine. They could have spent more time looking into it but then you'd have a tough time convincing people to spend the resources.
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That is unfortunate. But you can't force an adult to get help until it's too late. Maybe it was more obvious to the parents because the people who came to check on him said he seemed fine. They could have spent more time looking into it but then you'd have a tough time convincing people to spend the resources.
Yeah, it's not an easy situation. It just sucks that this all could have probably been prevented. Especially given that his parents are loaded.
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Yeah, it's not an easy situation. It just sucks that this all could have probably been prevented. Especially given that his parents are loaded.
Absolutely. I wonder to what extent his parents even knew about this. Did they suspect that he was dangerous at all? Because if they did there is a lot more they could have done.
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Yeah, it's not an easy situation. It just sucks that this all could have probably been prevented. Especially given that his parents are loaded.
Absolutely. I wonder to what extent his parents even knew about this. Did they suspect that he was dangerous at all? Because if they did there is a lot more they could have done.
If that is the case, they might even be criminally responsible. An extreme possibility, but there nonetheless.
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From what I've gathered from several news articles, he was already under care of therapists for some other conditions (some specify Asperger's Syndrome, but many seem to omit this for some reason). His parents then became aware of the fact that he's been posting videos that most people would find at least alarming, e.g.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM
So they notified both his therapists and the authorities, but after a chat with him they figured out everything is A-OK.
I mean, fine, he doesn't sound like he's about to go on a killing spree, but it sure as hell looks like he needed an intervention. It's probably not as clear-cut as "lol they didn't give him enough attention", but it really does seem like it could be prevented.
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Holy shit, this guy is /fa/ incarnate
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His therapist thought everything was okay? Oops.
It seems like at some point we have to expect that some will still slip through the cracks of therapy.
I've been reading The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker who I mentioned earlier. It's pretty interesting. It works more on a personal safety level rather than mass safety but it does touch on it. And he mentions that if we accept that it happens rather than denial and separation ("something like this could never happen at my work place.") then we will be in a better mindset to notice when someone is about to become violent. So even if therapy can't prevent it then noticing clues right beforehand might or maybe at least keep you from getting hurt.
For example: maybe his roommates thought he was acting stranger than normal but didn't pay it any mind because they knew he was in therapy and getting help.
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At a glance, his sense of entitlement is alarming, if nothing else.
A social ditch like a non-existent sex life sucks, but most people analyze this problem in a very different way than this guy.
In PPs video, there were three or four times that he said something along the lines of "look at me, I am magnificent." He felt as if he deserved sex because of his social status, which is really fucked.
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He seemed a bit picky as well, any potential girlfriends had to be beautiful.
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He seemed a bit picky as well, any potential girlfriends had to be beautiful.
And blonde.
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So, rooster... You're more open to the mental illness hypothesis now that some pseudo internet authority named Maddox supports it? ::)
Anyways, that video is hard to watch. It seems like his idea of love and beauty were instilled within him by society. This video still doesn't justify pursuing him for mental illness before the shootings. He seems sane in the video, just off... There's nothing wrong with that.
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No, because I didn't realize exactly how broad the term "mental illness" was. So if he feels isolated and can't relate to the people around him, who he clearly couldn't, then he's mentally ill. And apparently he was in therapy so there's that.
My point earlier is just that mental illness to a lot of people means something more obvious to see than seasonal depression. I guess maybe he had Asbergers which can be hard to spot as well. But knowing someone is mentally ill doesn't help much in preventing anything.
This video still doesn't justify pursuing him for mental illness before the shootings. He seems sane in the video, just off... There's nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. In our minds (for some of us at least), mentally ill people have clear signs of being unstable. He may seem off to you but he has a lot of dangerous signal words and context in that video. So even if you can't tell he's mentally ill you can tell that he has the potential for violence based on his perceived entitlement and rejection.
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
Yes. The law says they should have them.
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
That depends on the mental issue. He also didn't have any significant mental diagnosis.
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All you have to do to (legally) obtain a handgun is not be a felon and truthfully fill out a checklist attesting to the fact that you aren't crazy. The checklist is based on the honor system, of course. This process assumes you are buying from a dealer. Some states, such as my own, have even more lax laws regarding private gun sales.
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All you have to do to (legally) obtain a handgun is not be a felon and truthfully fill out a checklist attesting to the fact that you aren't crazy. The checklist is based on the honor system, of course. This process assumes you are buying from a dealer. Some states, such as my own, have even more lax laws regarding private gun sales.
Others have less lax laws. I think California is one of the more strict ones. Let me check...
...Or has been committed to a mental institution pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section 8100
So basically if he got committed, he can't get a gun.
Which is kinda silly.
Plenty of crazy people never get committed.
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All you have to do to (legally) obtain a handgun is not be a felon and truthfully fill out a checklist attesting to the fact that you aren't crazy. The checklist is based on the honor system, of course. This process assumes you are buying from a dealer. Some states, such as my own, have even more lax laws regarding private gun sales.
Others have less lax laws. I think California is one of the more strict ones. Let me check...
...Or has been committed to a mental institution pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section 8100
So basically if he got committed, he can't get a gun.
Which is kinda silly.
Plenty of crazy people never get committed.
Yes, CA is more strict. I have lived there. You can't have handgun magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. Good luck getting a CCW or a suppressor there as well.
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
Yes. The law says they should have them.
Do you have a source for that?
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
Yes. The law says they should have them.
Do you have a source for that?
I suggest ignoring Fappen's trolling.
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So how did he get a gun?
Isn't there a law about giving guns to people with mental issues?
Yes. The law says they should have them.
Do you have a source for that?
I suggest ignoring Fappen's trolling.
"Elliot Rodger, the self-pitying Santa Barbara killer, passed background checks—three times—as he bought his Glock and Sig Sauer pistols."
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-27/santa-barbara-massacre-defies-gun-control-mental-health-proposals-4-blunt-points