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« Reply #5760 on: June 21, 2020, 06:34:36 AM »
They can give away as many tickets to these rallies as they like. I don't know where this notion that they only distribute a certain number of tickets and you can therefore guarantee empty seats by buying tickets and not attending came from. They don't reserve seats. If you show up at a rally and there's room for you inside, they'll let you inside.
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« Reply #5761 on: June 21, 2020, 06:52:31 AM »
I don't know where this notion that they only distribute a certain number of tickets and you can therefore guarantee empty seats by buying tickets and not attending came from.

Nobody said that, though. Merely that thousands applied for tickets, the campaign planned on the basis of this for the indoor rally AND an "overflow" outdoor event, only to be shamefacedly forced into dismantling the outdoor stage BEFORE Pence had taken to the indoor stage. Pence took to the stage before Trump.

Online commentary on Fox News coverage refers to the "Blair Witch" camera work; it's rumoured that the allocated fixed camera position was one intended to show the huge crowds, but when that showed all the empty space, the cameraman was forced to go handheld to make the most of it....

It's not a matter of allocated seats, it's pranking the campaign into all the planning for large numbers when there are none.
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« Reply #5762 on: June 21, 2020, 06:55:56 AM »
ONE MILLION REQUESTS FOR TICKETS!!!

RALLY IN TULSA!!!

I WONDER WHERE THOSE MILLION PEOPLE WENT IF HE COULDN’T FILL A 19,000 SEAT ARENA...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53121488

Also, the bad protestors.  What did Trump do to them?  Because he did say he'd treat them differently but I didn't read anything.


6,200.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/#30bd9dd81fed
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« Reply #5763 on: June 21, 2020, 07:20:39 AM »
I don't know where this notion that they only distribute a certain number of tickets and you can therefore guarantee empty seats by buying tickets and not attending came from.

Nobody said that, though. Merely that thousands applied for tickets, the campaign planned on the basis of this for the indoor rally AND an "overflow" outdoor event, only to be shamefacedly forced into dismantling the outdoor stage BEFORE Pence had taken to the indoor stage. Pence took to the stage before Trump.

Online commentary on Fox News coverage refers to the "Blair Witch" camera work; it's rumoured that the allocated fixed camera position was one intended to show the huge crowds, but when that showed all the empty space, the cameraman was forced to go handheld to make the most of it....

It's not a matter of allocated seats, it's pranking the campaign into all the planning for large numbers when there are none.

Well, in all honesty it shouldn't matter.  The cost of planning for an overflow is likely a blip compared to the total funds.

All this did was get Trump's hopes up then crash them down.  Its even worse since he couldn't fill the stadium to even half capacity.  A normal leader would shuffle on.  Trump broke down, in his usual way.  Now one of a few things happened.

1. Lots of Trump supporters wanted to go but had to cancel at the last minute. (Like ALOT)
2. Few supporters wanted to go and trump either lied about the numbers or was mislead. 
3. The 'a million people want to go' kept people away.  Because of the 'oh, good.  I don't need to show my support of him, someome else will.'
4. Trump honestly thought he'd get a million people so he canceled the hired seat fillers. 
(Yes they are real. https://www.showfilmfirst.com/info/Seat+Fillers.html )
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« Reply #5764 on: June 21, 2020, 09:39:49 AM »
I think it's funny that in the process of trying to downplay the severity of the coronavirus he planned an event that was all but guaranteed to draw attention to the fiction of that position.  And now look what's happened. lolol
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« Reply #5765 on: June 21, 2020, 12:00:51 PM »
I think it's funny that in the process of trying to downplay the severity of the coronavirus he planned an event that was all but guaranteed to draw attention to the fiction of that position.  And now look what's happened. lolol

Teenagers, man.
Always messing up the plan.  But hey!  They could have saved thousands of lives
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« Reply #5766 on: June 21, 2020, 01:44:04 PM »


Apparently being able to drink water with one hand is now the sign of a great president, and even the greatest president ever.

I thought that was a parody but it's from the official Twitter account of a Republican candidate. Poe's law...
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« Reply #5767 on: June 21, 2020, 04:30:44 PM »
I don't know where this notion that they only distribute a certain number of tickets and you can therefore guarantee empty seats by buying tickets and not attending came from.

Nobody said that, though. Merely that thousands applied for tickets, the campaign planned on the basis of this for the indoor rally AND an "overflow" outdoor event, only to be shamefacedly forced into dismantling the outdoor stage BEFORE Pence had taken to the indoor stage. Pence took to the stage before Trump.

Online commentary on Fox News coverage refers to the "Blair Witch" camera work; it's rumoured that the allocated fixed camera position was one intended to show the huge crowds, but when that showed all the empty space, the cameraman was forced to go handheld to make the most of it....

It's not a matter of allocated seats, it's pranking the campaign into all the planning for large numbers when there are none.

It seems very unlikely that Trump's popularity has suddenly dropped so low that he can't fill an arena seating 19,000 people. It's probably just that the virus kept most people away.
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« Reply #5768 on: June 21, 2020, 07:14:44 PM »
I guess all those people who camped out to make sure they beat the throngs to the rally feel a little foolish now.
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« Reply #5769 on: June 21, 2020, 09:21:50 PM »
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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« Reply #5770 on: June 21, 2020, 10:10:05 PM »
Silent majority? Trump voters weren't even a majority, and they certainly are far from being silent.
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« Reply #5771 on: June 22, 2020, 11:28:56 AM »
There is nothing wrong with Trump. He's an attentive and thoughtful president who loves America.

No, he does not. If he did, he would not be including a COVID waiver in applications for his rallies, a waiver which essentially says he does. not. care. if the attendees, from his own fan base, get sick or not, as long as they applaud him first.
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« Reply #5772 on: June 22, 2020, 12:17:25 PM »
There is nothing wrong with Trump. He's an attentive and thoughtful president who loves America.

No, he does not. If he did, he would not be including a COVID waiver in applications for his rallies, a waiver which essentially says he does. not. care. if the attendees, from his own fan base, get sick or not, as long as they applaud him first.

Not to defend Trump but that one's not on him.  The Venue required him to have that waiver.
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« Reply #5773 on: June 22, 2020, 01:53:32 PM »
Well, the waiver for the Tulsa rally said;

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""By attending the Rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury,""

Trump campaign is one of three entities named, the venue is the second, and ASM Global is the venue management and services provider.
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« Reply #5774 on: June 22, 2020, 05:54:15 PM »
Well, the waiver for the Tulsa rally said;

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""By attending the Rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury,""

Trump campaign is one of three entities named, the venue is the second, and ASM Global is the venue management and services provider.

I am aware.  Still fairly standard stuff.  I would not hold it against Trump.
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« Reply #5776 on: June 22, 2020, 10:02:16 PM »
It was still a flop.

6000 or so in a ... 19000? capacity arena. And that was counting Trump's campaign staff, press and other functionaries.

Outdoor stage and "overflow area" set up, they started dismantling that BEFORE Pence took the stage. And that, in case there's any doubt, was before Trump took the stage.  And some folks were seen leaving before Trump spoke a word.

So what if a lot of people watched it on Fox? I watched it (online), I'm not a Republican, not a Trump supporter, and I'm not even in the US. I'll bet lots of folk were tuning in to watch the car crash.

Trump's "walk of shame" - he couldn't be bothered to redo his tie, and his bronzer is revealed (on the shirt collar) for all to see. Looks like someone who has given up.



Do we really need to link to the audience photos, showing them in various states of slumber? Maybe later; here's the memes for the time being...

https://imgur.com/gallery/ETnt2Zz
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« Reply #5777 on: June 23, 2020, 11:27:21 AM »
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Serious question. Why do you like Trump so much? Maybe you don't, but you sure do bend over backwards to defend him at every opportunity. What do you like about him? Serious question. Most leaders even if I don't like their policies I can generally find something to admire about them, with Trump I'm honestly coming up blank. What do you see in him, other than he isn't Hillary Clinton?
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« Reply #5778 on: June 23, 2020, 06:38:20 PM »
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« Reply #5779 on: June 23, 2020, 07:30:28 PM »
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Serious question. Why do you like Trump so much?

- Trump is not a politician. He is a businessman who gave up billions of dollars to drain the swamp.

- Trump is a King David character, perhaps morally ambiguous on the surface, but holds good values and ultimately knows what is right for his country. More like a normal human, rather than a fake politician.

- The Democratic Party were historically anti-Indian rights, pro-slavery, anti-woman's suffrage, pro-segregation, and anti-civil rights. Always on the wrong side of history. Now its the party of rioters and violence. It is generally the party of choice for socialists, criminals in jail, and pedophiles. I could never side with Leftism. I see them as either literal criminals, or sympathetic to criminality, which is almost as bad.

- Since the Democrats are the established party of crime in America, they have billions of dollars in direct support and trillions of dollars in indirect support, from shady corporations and shady persons of all kinds to brainwash you into thinking that something which threatens its interests (draining the swamp) is bad. This is why you think that Orange Man Bad, despite that he was widely loved and praised before he ran for office.

- Democrats have only goals rather than real established values or principles, and will change their views on a whim, to parrot whatever the latest outrage is from their liberal masters. They become righteous protestants in the span of a second to shed fake tears and harp on "When you're a star you do anything. You can grab them by the pussy..." when this was clearly said as a joke in a backstage private setting, and was actually referencing groupies. An objective person can see that "gotcha" is nonsense. If an equally famous person such as Bruce Springsteen or a famous actor said that, the response would have been "yes".

Similar leftist logic and deception is generally inherent in all other criticisms of Trump. The bad people are really the criminals and their sympathizers running this smear campaign, who have an underlying incentive to do so.
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