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« Reply #3040 on: June 29, 2018, 07:25:00 AM »
To my understanding, the comment is somewhat sarcastic. She violated the law, but still prosecutors would find it difficult, if not impossible, to charge her with a crime. It should be read as a criticism of the legal system, and not a defence of Clinton.
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« Reply #3041 on: June 29, 2018, 02:53:14 PM »
To my understanding, the comment is somewhat sarcastic. She violated the law, but still prosecutors would find it difficult, if not impossible, to charge her with a crime. It should be read as a criticism of the legal system, and not a defence of Clinton.

If you commit murder and get away with it because the prosecutors are unwilling or unable to prosecute you, have you committed a crime?

In the eyes of the law, you have not violated the law until you have been duly prosecuted. You are innocent until proven guilty. So in the above scenario you have committed no violation of the law and you have committed no crime.

The CNN article seems to be saying "well she's guilty... but she's going to get away with it," which doesn't really justify the contradictory title, and is contradictory to how law works.

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« Reply #3042 on: June 29, 2018, 04:00:44 PM »
If you commit murder and get away with it because the prosecutors are unwilling or unable to prosecute you, have you committed a crime?
You're reading into this too literally. Yes, the statement is self-contradictory. That's intended for (presumably) comedic purposes. The nuance behind the contradiction is presented prior to the conclusion.

The CNN article seems to be saying "well she's guilty... but she's going to get away with it," which doesn't really justify the contradictory title, and is contradictory to how law works.
It's actually not the title. It's the last sentence of the article.
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« Reply #3043 on: June 29, 2018, 04:48:15 PM »
If you commit murder and get away with it because the prosecutors are unwilling or unable to prosecute you, have you committed a crime?
You're reading into this too literally. Yes, the statement is self-contradictory. That's intended for (presumably) comedic purposes. The nuance behind the contradiction is presented prior to the conclusion.

If CNN is saying wrong things for comedic purposes, it's still wrong.

I don't think it was for comedic purposes, however. I believe it was attempt to twist things in the face of overwhelming evidence that she committed a crime and downplay the matter.

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The CNN article seems to be saying "well she's guilty... but she's going to get away with it," which doesn't really justify the contradictory title, and is contradictory to how law works.
It's actually not the title. It's the last sentence of the article.

The screenshot posted earlier on the last page suggests that it was a title at one point, and then edited to be the last sentence of the article.

A related article: FBI Rewrites Federal Law to Let Hillary Off the Hook
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« Reply #3044 on: June 29, 2018, 05:40:19 PM »
The screenshot posted earlier on the last page suggests that it was a title at one point, and then edited to be the last sentence of the article.
It doesn't. The screenshot even includes the title.

archive.is has a copy of the article from the day of its publication:
https://archive.is/Vqh58

and so does archive.org's Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160526171424/http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/opinions/clinton-email-server-ig-report-opinion-cox/index.html

We can also have a look at how CNN Opinion spread the article on social media:
https://www.facebook.com/CNNOpinion/posts/1027545787334859
"The inspector general directly contradicts Clinton's repeated assertions that she complied both with federal law and State Department policies."


Using simply the article's title.

You know, it really doesn't sound to me like they're trying to defend her.

If CNN is saying wrong things for comedic purposes, it's still wrong.
I don't think there is a single person here who argues that the statement is correct
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« Reply #3045 on: June 29, 2018, 06:40:59 PM »
Can a mod split this topic? I'm sorry, it's not that the discussion about Hillary isn't interesting, but the thread is supposed to be about Trump, and I'm not seeing where the current discussion is relevant. Tom can start an HRC thread if he wants to continue whining that she got away with murder.
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« Reply #3046 on: June 29, 2018, 08:50:59 PM »
Anyway, on the notion of vile manipulation of events by the Media for partisan purposes:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/29/media/sean-hannity-maxine-waters-comment/index.html
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« Reply #3047 on: June 30, 2018, 04:53:51 AM »
Anyway, on the notion of vile manipulation of events by the Media for partisan purposes:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/29/media/sean-hannity-maxine-waters-comment/index.html


If accurate, its a pretty jarring link.
Jarring like hitting a pothole.  He just blurts it out like its connected even though he doesn't present any link.
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« Reply #3048 on: July 01, 2018, 05:07:59 AM »
That's kind of what Hannity does. On a network full of unprincipled slimeballs he is the king.
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« Reply #3049 on: July 01, 2018, 05:48:14 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.
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« Reply #3050 on: July 01, 2018, 06:18:35 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.

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« Reply #3051 on: July 01, 2018, 06:19:22 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.


Yeah but the viewers want that.  So what does that make the audience?
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« Reply #3052 on: July 01, 2018, 07:46:14 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.


Yeah but the viewers want that.  So what does that make the audience?
It makes the audience of CNN equally as ignorant as the audience of FOX News.
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« Reply #3053 on: July 01, 2018, 08:45:51 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.


Yeah but the viewers want that.  So what does that make the audience?
It makes the audience of CNN equally as ignorant as the audience of FOX News.
Ignorant?  Of their desires, perhaps, but no.It makes them human.
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« Reply #3054 on: July 01, 2018, 09:00:03 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.


Yeah but the viewers want that.  So what does that make the audience?
It makes the audience of CNN equally as ignorant as the audience of FOX News.
Ignorant?  Of their desires, perhaps, but no.It makes them human.
Fair enough. Equally human and no less ignorant.
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« Reply #3055 on: July 01, 2018, 11:15:02 AM »
In an industry full of unprincipled slimeballs.


Yeah but the viewers want that.  So what does that make the audience?
It makes the audience of CNN equally as ignorant as the audience of FOX News.
Ignorant?  Of their desires, perhaps, but no.It makes them human.
Fair enough. Equally human and no less ignorant.
Confirmation bias is a bitch.
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« Reply #3056 on: July 07, 2018, 12:32:11 PM »
Oh look, even Fox is disagreeing with Trump.
https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-duped-by-jong-un/2/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/30/north-korea-believed-to-be-deceiving-us-increasing-nuclear-production-report.html

What's next?  Trump calling Fox News fake news?  Cause that'll be the end of the republican party right there.
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« Reply #3057 on: July 07, 2018, 12:53:20 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/06/politics/bill-shine-fox-news-donald-trump/index.html

The troll president strikes again. At least Scott Pruitt is finally gone.
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« Reply #3058 on: July 07, 2018, 02:33:25 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/06/politics/bill-shine-fox-news-donald-trump/index.html

The troll president strikes again. At least Scott Pruitt is finally gone.


I recall Scott saying a few months ago that rumors of him wanting to resign were false.
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« Reply #3059 on: July 08, 2018, 10:38:25 AM »
Trump weakens SJWs by merely existing. His power level must be well over 9000 at this point.

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