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Re: Trump
« Reply #9820 on: July 31, 2022, 08:35:59 PM »
Are you saying that it's perfectly legal for Trump to continue using the presidential seal at his golf course even when federal law says that it isn't?

This lawyer says it is legal - https://copyrightlately.com/trump-office-great-seal/

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9821 on: July 31, 2022, 10:14:24 PM »
Are you saying that it's perfectly legal for Trump to continue using the presidential seal at his golf course even when federal law says that it isn't?

This lawyer says it is legal - https://copyrightlately.com/trump-office-great-seal/
Did that lawyer take a look at Bedminster recently?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9822 on: July 31, 2022, 10:19:38 PM »
Your twitter quote says - "It is illegal to use the Presidential Seal for commercial purposes."

Yeah, the copyrightlately.com lawyer debonked that.

https://copyrightlately.com/trump-office-great-seal/



https://www.amazon.com/s?k=presidential+seal

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9823 on: July 31, 2022, 11:00:18 PM »
Your twitter quote says - "It is illegal to use the Presidential Seal for commercial purposes."

Yeah, the copyrightlately.com lawyer debonked that.
It's not a copyright question.  However, the use of the Presidential Seal at a sporting event could reasonably suggest that the event is sponsored or endorsed by the government.  That's the part that's illegal.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9824 on: July 31, 2022, 11:11:51 PM »
Your twitter quote says - "It is illegal to use the Presidential Seal for commercial purposes."

Yeah, the copyrightlately.com lawyer debonked that.
It's not a copyright question.  However, the use of the Presidential Seal at a sporting event could reasonably suggest that the event is sponsored or endorsed by the government.  That's the part that's illegal.

Yet as a reasonable person you viewed the pictures from the event and knew that Trump was not the president and that the event was associated with a former president. Other reasonable persons would do the same. It is unlikely that anyone at the event thought they were attending the event of the current President.

The copyrightlately.com lawyer says that Trump can even call himself "President", as is customary for former presidents, in stationary with the seal on it, and get away with it:



The reasonable consumer knows that Trump is no longer president, therefore Trump can use the seal and call himself president. By this standard the reasonable consumer also knows that the golfing event was associated with a former, and not a current, president.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9825 on: August 01, 2022, 12:35:07 AM »
Your twitter quote says - "It is illegal to use the Presidential Seal for commercial purposes."

Yeah, the copyrightlately.com lawyer debonked that.
It's not a copyright question.  However, the use of the Presidential Seal at a sporting event could reasonably suggest that the event is sponsored or endorsed by the government.  That's the part that's illegal.

Yet as a reasonable person you viewed the pictures from the event and knew that Trump was not the president and that the event was associated with a former president. Other reasonable persons would do the same. It is unlikely that anyone at the event thought they were attending the event of the current President.
Reasonable persons also know that the event was associated with LIV Golf, a controversial golf association funded by the Saudi Crown Prince.  The Presidential Seal is reserved for official presidential duties and events, not for controversial commercial sporting events, even if it's being hosted by a former president. 
(b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.


The reasonable consumer knows that Trump is no longer president, therefore Trump can use the seal and call himself president.
Calling himself president is one thing, using the Presidential Seal is another.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9826 on: August 01, 2022, 01:13:54 AM »
Are you saying that it's perfectly legal for Trump to continue using the presidential seal at his golf course even when federal law says that it isn't?

This lawyer says it is legal - https://copyrightlately.com/trump-office-great-seal/

You found a lawyer to agree with you? On the internet? Incredible.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9827 on: August 01, 2022, 04:26:54 PM »
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #9828 on: August 01, 2022, 05:07:14 PM »
I'm with Tom on the seal issue. Everyone knows that Trump isn't the president anymore, and he's clearly using it to advertise his own personal involvement in the event, not trick anyone into thinking that it's an official presidential event. Pointing to this as evidence of his criminality is just over-egging the pudding.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9829 on: August 01, 2022, 10:12:44 PM »
"Farewell to OAN, the network for loons and the president they loved." https://slate.com/business/2022/07/oan-verizon-fios-directv-cable-trump.html

Hey, remember these guys?

Looks like the Marxists have won.  :(
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9831 on: August 02, 2022, 05:41:48 PM »
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/3583448-trump-endorsement-of-eric-in-missouri-triggers-confusion/

lol

I think its brilliant.
He can claim to have picked the winner, regardless if which one wins the nomination OR disregard either if one wins the primary but loses the election.

Either way, Trump can claim some kind of victory.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9832 on: August 02, 2022, 09:29:15 PM »
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/3583448-trump-endorsement-of-eric-in-missouri-triggers-confusion/

lol

I think its brilliant.
He can claim to have picked the winner, regardless if which one wins the nomination OR disregard either if one wins the primary but loses the election.

Either way, Trump can claim some kind of victory.
But what if Trump is actually supporting his son Eric?
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« Reply #9833 on: August 02, 2022, 10:14:49 PM »
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/3583448-trump-endorsement-of-eric-in-missouri-triggers-confusion/

lol

I think its brilliant.
He can claim to have picked the winner, regardless if which one wins the nomination OR disregard either if one wins the primary but loses the election.

Either way, Trump can claim some kind of victory.
But what if Trump is actually supporting his son Eric?

Then he can claim fatherly love.  Triple win!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9834 on: August 09, 2022, 11:40:57 AM »
Trump says FBI agents searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida https://www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116427430/trump-says-fbi-agents-raided-his-mar-a-lago-home-in-florida?sc=18&f=1001


Apparently Republicans are super pissed, calling this weaponization of the Justice Department and one asshole running for congress is threatening to arrest any FBI agent in Florida who does things outside the state's purview.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anthony-sabatini-florida-lawmaker-calls-for-fbi-agents-to-be-arrested-upon-sight-after-trump-raid

Which is kinda weird to say, given the FBI exist outside the state's Purview.
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« Reply #9835 on: August 09, 2022, 01:42:35 PM »
Trump says FBI agents searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida https://www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116427430/trump-says-fbi-agents-raided-his-mar-a-lago-home-in-florida?sc=18&f=1001


Apparently Republicans are super pissed, calling this weaponization of the Justice Department and one asshole running for congress is threatening to arrest any FBI agent in Florida who does things outside the state's purview.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anthony-sabatini-florida-lawmaker-calls-for-fbi-agents-to-be-arrested-upon-sight-after-trump-raid

Which is kinda weird to say, given the FBI exist outside the state's Purview.
Aside from this whole story likely to be nothing more than a "made for mass consumption," "distract from the real issues," POS "journalism" that NPR and other fake news outlets are engaged in (increasingly day-to-day, by the way), it appears you are stating the following:

An FBI operation can take place in any US state and, should any aspects of said operation be illegally or criminally conducted, the FBI, nor its agents, could not be prosecuted or otherwise answerable to a local, state, or district court, for committing those illegal or criminal actions.

If you are stating that, that would be patently false.
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It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9836 on: August 09, 2022, 01:58:46 PM »
Trump says FBI agents searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida https://www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116427430/trump-says-fbi-agents-raided-his-mar-a-lago-home-in-florida?sc=18&f=1001


Apparently Republicans are super pissed, calling this weaponization of the Justice Department and one asshole running for congress is threatening to arrest any FBI agent in Florida who does things outside the state's purview.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anthony-sabatini-florida-lawmaker-calls-for-fbi-agents-to-be-arrested-upon-sight-after-trump-raid

Which is kinda weird to say, given the FBI exist outside the state's Purview.
Aside from this whole story likely to be nothing more than a "made for mass consumption," "distract from the real issues," POS "journalism" that NPR and other fake news outlets are engaged in (increasingly day-to-day, by the way),

A former president having a federal search warrant executed on their property isn't newsworthy to you?

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it appears you are stating the following:

An FBI operation can take place in any US state and, should any aspects of said operation be illegally or criminally conducted, the FBI, nor its agents, could not be prosecuted or otherwise answerable to a local, state, or district court, for committing those illegal or criminal actions.

If you are stating that, that would be patently false.

Nice strawman.  10/10.  Would fallacy again.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9837 on: August 09, 2022, 02:27:09 PM »
Trump says FBI agents searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida https://www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116427430/trump-says-fbi-agents-raided-his-mar-a-lago-home-in-florida?sc=18&f=1001


Apparently Republicans are super pissed, calling this weaponization of the Justice Department and one asshole running for congress is threatening to arrest any FBI agent in Florida who does things outside the state's purview.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anthony-sabatini-florida-lawmaker-calls-for-fbi-agents-to-be-arrested-upon-sight-after-trump-raid

Which is kinda weird to say, given the FBI exist outside the state's Purview.
Aside from this whole story likely to be nothing more than a "made for mass consumption," "distract from the real issues," POS "journalism" that NPR and other fake news outlets are engaged in (increasingly day-to-day, by the way), it appears you are stating the following:

An FBI operation can take place in any US state and, should any aspects of said operation be illegally or criminally conducted, the FBI, nor its agents, could not be prosecuted or otherwise answerable to a local, state, or district court, for committing those illegal or criminal actions.

If you are stating that, that would be patently false.

You really need to learn to read.  Or perhaps have an MRI on your brain as you're clearly unable to process words properly.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9838 on: August 09, 2022, 02:57:23 PM »
Defund the FBI and ATF.

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« Reply #9839 on: August 09, 2022, 05:23:28 PM »
That appears to be the messaging on this from the GOP.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/trump-world-republicans-fbi-2024-run-00050485

Strange how things have turned.  The Republicans are now the ones saying to defund the police.