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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:57:44 PM »
The vaccine is largely based on previous vaccines and they are extremely confident that there aren’t long term side effects.
The vaccine was the first of its kind ever used on humans.

Over 16,000 dead from the vaccine in the US. Thousands more injured permantly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:34:21 PM »

It's a fact. Not a claim.


Claim is not the opposite of fact. A claim is something that you claim, obviously. You are a claiming this is a fact. You are being asked to give a source.
I stated a fact.

Something that has eluded you, quite obviously.

No, I understood you quite clearly. You claim it’s a fact, and are being asked to support that claim. I know you understand this, but you either can’t support it, or so not wish to out of spite.
I have provided the support.

Out of spite, you just continue writing denials.

I haven’t denied anything, I might have missed it. Can you link to the post where this evidence is located?
Read the thread.

Read.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:23:53 PM »

It's a fact. Not a claim.


Claim is not the opposite of fact. A claim is something that you claim, obviously. You are a claiming this is a fact. You are being asked to give a source.
I stated a fact.

Something that has eluded you, quite obviously.

No, I understood you quite clearly. You claim it’s a fact, and are being asked to support that claim. I know you understand this, but you either can’t support it, or so not wish to out of spite.
I have provided the support.

Out of spite, you just continue writing denials.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:14:52 PM »

It's a fact. Not a claim.


Claim is not the opposite of fact. A claim is something that you claim, obviously. You are a claiming this is a fact. You are being asked to give a source.
I stated a fact.

Something that has eluded you, quite obviously.

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Right. Except Pole to Pole circumnavigation trips have occurred.
Looking at the routes of those, they don’t go straight on at the South Pole
That do not happen to be pole to pole.
Ok. Well how about you look the route of one of them up and show how it maps to a flat earth map.
Well, how about eliminating what you wrote to begin.

You write, "Pole to Pole circumnavigation trips have occurred."

Immediately after that, you write, "Looking at the routes of those, they don’t go straight on at the South Pole."

Meaning that is not pole to pole.

Obviously, since the maps and charts used were flat, it worked just fine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 03, 2021, 10:43:16 AM »

I suggest you learn the definition of the word, "guidance," before you post again.

The government pays the hospital if Covid is the cause of death.

Administrators want the money.

And will not follow "guidance."

In the US, yes, for Medicare patients, the government pays the hospital for Covid services rendered. I'm not finding where the Gov't is paying something or anything extra for non-Medicare Covid patients.  Please cite a source.
A source for what?

You are now claiming that hospitals are not getting any monies related to Covid deaths unless the patients were on Medicare?

That is up to you, the claimant, to provide the source.
You claimed they were first so... its you who must prove that claim.  And I'd like to know: Are US hospitals getting $$$ for every dead covid person?  Someone prove this to me one way or another.
It's a fact. Not a claim.

And hospitals were receiving more money than usual from the government, thanks to the CARES Act, for just listing a case as Covid treatment.

Nearly everyone that was hospitalized with this disease met the age or eligibility requirements for Medicare to begin with.

The majority of those dead were over the age of 65.

$13k for a case, $39k if a ventilator was used, more than double what the government was paying prior to covid.

I am no longer going to waste any time with you Dave.

You are neither a lord nor even equal to a commoner with the lousy trolling and denial.

You push total disinformation and will eventually answer for all of it.

You seem to be all for lining the pockets of corporate medicine in any way possible. A true reformer, in every sense of the term.

Absolutely disgusting.

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Right. Except Pole to Pole circumnavigation trips have occurred.
Looking at the routes of those, they don’t go straight on at the South Pole
That do not happen to be pole to pole.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 02, 2021, 06:18:27 PM »

I suggest you learn the definition of the word, "guidance," before you post again.

The government pays the hospital if Covid is the cause of death.

Administrators want the money.

And will not follow "guidance."

In the US, yes, for Medicare patients, the government pays the hospital for Covid services rendered. I'm not finding where the Gov't is paying something or anything extra for non-Medicare Covid patients.  Please cite a source.
A source for what?

You are now claiming that hospitals are not getting any monies related to Covid deaths unless the patients were on Medicare?

That is up to you, the claimant, to provide the source.
Just like you wouldn't follow "guidance," if I dropped my wallet on the ground and you found it.

Demonstrable lack of conscience found in your post history.

Wow, this says more about your conscience than mine - I once found a wallet on the sidewalk. It had some cash, like $60+, a University ID and some credit/debitcards. I scoured the web for the individual based on the ID. Found her father's info, called him up, he said it was her daughter's. She was visiting here from school, he lived locally. He came by and picked up the wallet, cash included.

Sounds like your your sense of guidance is severely warped & selfish - Makes sense given your stance on this topic.
Yeah, right.

Don't believe that one bit.

And your virtue signaling is just hypocritical BS.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 02, 2021, 03:37:58 PM »
Not even sure its there or added in post production. 
The note that was handed to him, informing of the booger on his chin, was also edited in post-production.

Jesus, a truly crappy video, hardly clear at all.
Here's another showing all the clarity of thought and intelligence he's able to muster:

If you can even make it through the first answers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 02, 2021, 12:56:33 PM »
The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator during the start of the Coronavirus pandemic said it herself that they were doing things differently.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html

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Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"

Here's the official CDC guidance on how to report Covid deaths:

Reporting and Coding Deaths Due to COVID-19
This page provides guidance and resources for reporting deaths due to COVID-19 on death certificates. When COVID-19 is determined to be a cause of death, it is important that it be reported on the death certificate to accurately assess the effects of this pandemic and appropriately direct public health response.

Everything you want to know about how Covid deaths should be reported on death certificates. Seems quite standard. Here's the longer PDF with the details from the link above:

Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

I suggest you familiarize yourself with this information.

Quote from: stack
Around the entire planet? For what purpose? As in what motive, gain, and for whom?

The government has drummed up fear in the past to enact its policies, consolidate power, and get funding for things like war.

Governments enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power. Like that has never happened before.  ::)

So pretty much every government on the planet is engaged in "enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power"?  ::)

Edit: Lastly, regarding that 20,000+ NYC excess deaths figure, 16k attributed to Covid, 4k not, according to your assessment, how much of that 16k is false Covid reporting?
I suggest you learn the definition of the word, "guidance," before you post again.

The government pays the hospital if Covid is the cause of death.

Administrators want the money.

And will not follow "guidance."

Just like you wouldn't follow "guidance," if I dropped my wallet on the ground and you found it.

Demonstrable lack of conscience found in your post history.

What about at hospitals that don't get extra money per covid person?  Like most of the world?
All worldwide economic activity, including hospitals, were receiving government subsidized payments based on Covid.

The IMF https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/imf-and-covid19/COVID-Lending-Tracker is making a killing off of this.

The governments do not care for their people, they only care about their skim off the trillions being lent out by the IMF.

USE THE WORD COVID, GET PAID BIG BUCKS!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:39:10 AM »
The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator during the start of the Coronavirus pandemic said it herself that they were doing things differently.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html

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Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"

Here's the official CDC guidance on how to report Covid deaths:

Reporting and Coding Deaths Due to COVID-19
This page provides guidance and resources for reporting deaths due to COVID-19 on death certificates. When COVID-19 is determined to be a cause of death, it is important that it be reported on the death certificate to accurately assess the effects of this pandemic and appropriately direct public health response.

Everything you want to know about how Covid deaths should be reported on death certificates. Seems quite standard. Here's the longer PDF with the details from the link above:

Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

I suggest you familiarize yourself with this information.

Quote from: stack
Around the entire planet? For what purpose? As in what motive, gain, and for whom?

The government has drummed up fear in the past to enact its policies, consolidate power, and get funding for things like war.

Governments enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power. Like that has never happened before.  ::)

So pretty much every government on the planet is engaged in "enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power"?  ::)

Edit: Lastly, regarding that 20,000+ NYC excess deaths figure, 16k attributed to Covid, 4k not, according to your assessment, how much of that 16k is false Covid reporting?
I suggest you learn the definition of the word, "guidance," before you post again.

The government pays the hospital if Covid is the cause of death.

Administrators want the money.

And will not follow "guidance."

Just like you wouldn't follow "guidance," if I dropped my wallet on the ground and you found it.

Demonstrable lack of conscience found in your post history.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:31:46 AM »
Illness, disease, suffering, and death are all part of a normal life.

Diphtheria is no longer a part of normal life.
Polio is no longer a part of normal life.
Tetanus is no longer a part of normal life.
Measles are no longer a part of normal life.
Mumps are no longer a part of normal life.
Rubella is no longer a part of normal life.
Whooping cough is no longer a part of normal life.

Are we seeing a pattern yet?
Yes, we are seeing a pattern.

Your continued denial that death is a normal part of life.

Those things still exist and still take lives.

And they were controlled with far less draconian measures than you henny pennies think are necessary.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 07:02:34 PM »
Are you saying that there is wide-scale fraud where the attending physicians who complete death certificates are falsifying the documents all across the country, around the globe?
If he isn't, then I am.

When governments provide funding to hospitals for mortalities listed as covid, then the administrators relying on the funding will certainly list covid as the cause, regardless of actual cause.
Considering the pandemic is now almost exclusively ripping through the unvaccinated crowd, we're literally watching Darwinism happen in real time. People who are so low-IQ that they continue to be anti-vaxx or even vaxx-skeptical to this day are being systematically pruned from the gene pool.

If natural disasters are acts of god, then mRNA biotechnology innovations being invented in the short time before COVID hit is nothing short of divine intervention as far as I am concerned. It allowed for a vaccine to be developed in record time and measurably prevented a war's worth of death and suffering. For anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, and COVID deniers to get sick from a disease they have constantly underplayed, despite 4.2 million global deaths, and rejecting what could very well have been an olive branch from God himself - dying of COVID and then being mocked for your tweets seems like a fitting hell.

Doesn't the Bible explicitly warn Christians of false prophets, in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves? How else do you explain fervent and vocal anti-vaxx activists whose rhetoric is leading people on a straight shot path to illness, disability, death and suffering??
Illness, disease, suffering, and death are all part of a normal life.

Who the fuck lied to you when you were growing up, telling you otherwise?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 01:18:56 PM »
Now you have switched from talking about an annual time frame to running weekly averages for…. no apparent reason. Combined with your blind rage and desire to simply vent your sadness on me, I will walk away now. Get well.
You presented a running weekly average in comparison to a single day statistical outlier in order to justify your claim of a five-fold increase in deaths in NYC. You also used the word, "massive."

I'd say "massive" is appropriate...

Yeah. I second that.
^stack doesn't even provide a source for his first chart.

Roundy eats it up like pablum.

You are both promulgating a lie, making both of you LIARS.

I will never forgive nor forget.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 11:54:02 AM »
Now you have switched from talking about an annual time frame to running weekly averages for…. no apparent reason. Combined with your blind rage and desire to simply vent your sadness on me, I will walk away now. Get well.
You presented a running weekly average in comparison to a single day statistical outlier in order to justify your claim of a five-fold increase in deaths in NYC. You also used the word, "massive."

One more time. There was no five-fold increase.

MSM lied, and you promulgated it, making you -

A LIAR.

I doubt you will ever walk away from anything, but one can maintain hope.

I will never forgive or forget.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 10:18:29 AM »
No, there wasn't.

The classic “nuh-uh!”  My son gets me with that all the time.
Comparing a running weekly average to a single day statistical outlier  = No, there wasn't.
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You provided dishonest journalism, which is your favorite source of course.
You disliking what they report is not the same as dishonesty.
Pointing out the dishonesty is what I did.
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You never mentioned any time frame during the initial claim you made regarding a five-fold increase because you knew the comparison of the average of several weeks worth of numbers to a single weekly high is a bullshit method of statistical reporting.

I absolutely did mention a timeline. Once again letting your feelings cloud your judgement.
The "first months." LOL! As I have demonstrated, no timeline.

As I have demonstrated, a running weekly average compared to a single day statistical outlier is just the typical BS you love.

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That’s I'm pretty and very dishonest.
Fixed that for you.

I’m flattered that you think I’m pretty, but I’ve already withdrawn consent to be involved in your kink. Please stop.
Actually, I was writing what you think of yourself.

My opinion is the exact opposite.

Except the dishonest part, which you are.
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Can’t you just accept that there was a serious uptick in deaths in the opening months of the pandemic in NYC?  Why is that so difficult?
Because, as shown here, the methods of accounting for deaths is both dishonest and patently wrong.

I’ve never said those numbers were completely accurate, however it’s undeniable by reasonable people that there was a huge surge in deaths that correlated with a huge surge of COVID cases. I suppose your narrative of blaming the world for your personal tragedy requires this to be false and that’s just heaping tragedy on top of tragedy.
You, and people like you, are responsible.

I'll never forget or forgive.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Branson to go only 55 miles up !
« on: July 29, 2021, 12:17:02 PM »
I believe it to be roughly the same length because it appears to be the same length.

but you would agree, surely, that regardless of whether the scene is curved or flat, that things further from the camera appear proportionally smaller than those near to it?

A surface length of X km close to camera occupies more of the field of view than a similar X km far from the camera?

Example using height difference rather than length on the surface;


Well, you gave an FOV in your original submission, stating why water couldn't be seen.

How large a radius did that reflect?

That will tell you whether or not the chord is 150km.

Or are you just going to forget you wrote that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 29, 2021, 11:55:28 AM »

Rama started out by using only the words, mass graves," implying they were all covid deaths.

I implied nothing of the sort. I was implying there was a massive increase in people dying in NYC which coincided with the first, unexpected wave of COVID hospitalizations. Of course all those bodies weren’t from COVID, only an idiot would think that. But a bunch of them were.
Yeah, you did. Any person reading what you write concerning this subject would be impressed as to that being  your meaning.
And the "multitude," of dead bodies you claim here is just more sensationalistic opining.
The funeral homes and morgues were so overwhelmed by the influx of dead bodies, that FEMA brought in refrigerator trucks to store the dead. It’s more than just sensationalism, in the opening months in NYC a lot of people died. A massive increase in deaths that coincided with the massive surge of COVID cases. The doctors and nurses have us the daily reports and none of them mentioned “another person dying from lack of elective surgery”.

Just as they brought in a 1500 bed medical ship to dock in the Harbor and didn't use it.

More theatrics.

Doctors and nurses, working for "for profit," hospitals, will ensure the influx of federal money to their corporate overlords, by promoting the COVID death toll to ever higher numbers, ensuring a healthy bottom line.

Your trolling efforts here are weak and ineffective.

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Hart Island is where New York buries its unclaimed dead.

Would not surprise me in the least to find out that many of those buried went unclaimed last year on purpose due to the economy being shut down. Funerals are very expensive and people probably just kept their mouth shut.

A fascinating hypothesis. Please bring our attention back to it when you have evidence.
When you cannot afford to bury the dead, a potter's grave is the place.

Only a troll would demand evidence for this commonly known fact.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 29, 2021, 11:51:31 AM »
During the outbreak in NYC there was a fivefold increase.
No, there wasn't. 
I provided a source too.
You provided dishonest journalism, which is your favorite source of course.
You decided to impose a different time frame than what I referred to on the conversation.
You never mentioned any time frame during the initial claim you made regarding a five-fold increase because you knew the comparison of the average of several weeks worth of numbers to a single weekly high is a bullshit method of statistical reporting.
That’s I'm pretty and very dishonest.
Fixed that for you.
Can’t you just accept that there was a serious uptick in deaths in the opening months of the pandemic in NYC?  Why is that so difficult?
Because, as shown here, the methods of accounting for deaths is both dishonest and patently wrong.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 29, 2021, 10:16:21 AM »

But.... those 2,334 were not all Covid victims.  They were just dead people.  At one point, they just needed to get any dead person in the ground as they had too many.  Morgues were full.  Trucks were full.  The offices that track random dead people to find out who they were and next of kin was overworked.

So why would you try to compare the number buried on Hart island to covid escelation?  While the two have a correlation, its not a direct one as some family claimed bodies quickly or they died in other parts of the state or what-have you.
Look to your bosom pal Rama as to why he offered it up.

It seems you disagree with him.

Rama started out by using only the words, mass graves," implying they were all covid deaths.

And the "multitude," of dead bodies you claim here is just more sensationalistic opining

Hart Island is where New York buries its unclaimed dead.

Would not surprise me in the least to find out that many of those buried went unclaimed last year on purpose due to the economy being shut down. Funerals are very expensive and people probably just kept their mouth shut.

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