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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 20, 2023, 03:48:04 PM »Plus he has little chance of winning.That's what we thought in 2016. If there is one thing that we've learned from history is that we never learn from history.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 18, 2023, 10:37:45 PM »I haven't conjured up anything. The aether surrounds you as we write.We can? Please explain how these aether currents can be detected, identified and mapped. As I understand it, the classical view of aether is that it is static medium (i.e., an absolute frame of reference that would totally destroy relativity), hence the MM experiments that were looking for the aether drift as the earth moved through it.
We can measure the force of the pressure applied by the aether and its currents.
We can even map them.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 17, 2023, 09:03:13 PM »No, I didn't say that it "ought to have been higher", just that it seems unreasonably low TO ME.Often times in cases like this, the monetary judgement is almost completely irrelevant. That a jury found Trump liable for wrongdoing is the significant part.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 15, 2023, 01:11:37 AM »We're not talking about sentences, either.
Being ordered to pay an amount of money is a sentence. Look at a legal dictionary. The term sentence is only more often used in reference criminal matters.
Tom, you really should read up on the many differences between criminal law and civil law. Trump was involved in a civil trial. Citing criminal law doesn't do anything to strengthen your case.
Civil law and criminal law are two broad and separate entities of law with separate sets of laws and punishments.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 09, 2023, 11:25:11 PM »This is a win for Trump. This secondary verdict will be appealed and squashed then that will be it for this case.I'm not sure how being found guilty on 8 of 10 charges could be considered a win, but whatever.
Here is a link to the text of the verdict:
https://www.scribd.com/document/644110955/gov-uscourts-nysd-590045-174-0-1#
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 08, 2023, 10:51:53 PM »Read the post above mine. Markjo wants to talk about the version with the ball falling to the ground now:I also said to put aside the mechanism. I just asked whether a ball falling to the ground or the ground rushing upwards has better direct evidence. Sure, from the ball's frame of reference the earth rushing upwards makes sense. However, from your frame of reference (the same one as the earth), the ball falling to the ground is what you would observe.Putting aside the different mechanisms for a moment, which has the better direct physical evidence: a ball falling to the ground or the ground rushing up to meet the ball? From my frame of reference, the ball falling to the ground makes more sense.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 08, 2023, 01:30:10 AM »
Putting aside the different mechanisms for a moment, which has the better direct physical evidence: a ball falling to the ground or the ground rushing up to meet the ball? From my frame of reference, the ball falling to the ground makes more sense.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 07, 2023, 02:20:12 PM »
Given Trump's record of not being able to filter what comes out of his mouth, I'd think that defamation would be pretty much a slam dunk.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 07, 2023, 04:25:30 AM »
Yes, I think that you're finally getting it. The EP says that you can't tell the difference between a flat earth accelerating upwards and curved space-time causing the round earth to push upwards on your feet. Maybe the rocket scenario is an absurd philosophical question, but it just goes to show that any such test to tell the difference between acceleration and gravitation would be inconclusive, therefore you can't use the EP as evidence to support or disprove an upwardly accelerating flat earth or curved space-time on a round earth.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 07, 2023, 03:08:41 AM »It's not an argument of the difference between gravity and gravitation. In the scenario with the upwardly accelerating rocket the ceiling within the rocket is accelerating upwards and moving through space. This does not happen in the static version on earth. There is a physical difference.I'm not sure if you are understanding the question posed by the EP. If you are in a rocket and don't know anything about where you're, then how can you tell if you're in space accelerating at 1g or if you are being influenced by a 1g gravitational field (curvature of space-time) when the results of any experiment would be the same either way?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 06, 2023, 11:28:16 PM »This isn't going to be another pedantic gravity vs gravitation gotcha, is it? You know full well that the terms gravity and gravitation are used interchangeably, even by physicists discussing GR. Even the article that you cited uses the term gravity even though it's obviously referring to gravitation.Yes, gravity mimics acceleration, even down to the subatomic level. So, how is it that you can tell the difference? What is acceleration doing that gravity isn't, or vice versa?
Upwards acceleration is doing something that does not happen in classic Newtonian gravity.
So, just to make you happy, how does one tell the difference between acceleration and gravitation when the EP specifically says that you can't?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 06, 2023, 11:08:48 PM »“ One can also see the role of the equivalence principle by considering a pulse of light emitted over a distance h along the axis of a spaceship in uniform acceleration g in outer space. The time taken for the light to reach the detector is t = h (we use units G = c = 1). The difference in velocity of the detector acquired during the light travel time is v = gt = gh, the Doppler shift z in the detected light. This experiment, carried out in the gravity-free environment of a spaceship whose rockets produce an acceleration g, must yield the same result for the energy shift of the photon in a uniform gravitational field f according to the equivalence principle. The Pound-Rebka-Snyder experiments can therefore be regarded as an experimental proof of the equivalence principle. ”Yes, gravity mimics acceleration, even down to the subatomic level. So, how is it that you can tell the difference? What is acceleration doing that gravity isn't, or vice versa?
See bolded.
Curved space gravity is mimicking the effect of being inside of an upwardly accelerating rocket ship. That is what is meant by the equivalence principle.
According to the equivalence principle whatever physical effect takes place in an upwardly accelerating environment is indistinguishable from "gravity". This is what it is.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 06, 2023, 07:58:22 PM »Maybe and maybe not. That's for the jury to decide.There are lots of reasons why many women don't immediately report rape or other sexual harassment or abuse, especially when committed by powerful people.
Yes, and one of those reasons is that they are lying headcases who admit in court that they love the tv shows that the powerful people who rape them go on to star in.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 06, 2023, 07:05:25 PM »Are we really supposed to believe someone who was raped in a department store wouldn't immediately report it?
There are lots of reasons why many women don't immediately report rape or other sexual harassment or abuse, especially when committed by powerful people.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/speaking-in-tongues/202112/why-women-dont-immediately-report-sexual-assault
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Flat Earth Community / Re: Trying to commission a Flat Earth-themed retirement gift for a friend
« on: May 06, 2023, 03:39:02 PM »
Watches are a retirement gift classic and there are a number of FE themed watches available online.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 06, 2023, 02:31:36 AM »...an illusion that makes all tests appear as if the floor is physically accelerating upwards."That depends on your frame of reference. If your FoR is the same as the earth, then a dropped object appears to be accelerating downwards towards the floor. So again, there is no way to tell the difference between acceleration and gravity.