Trying to rationalize in my head
« on: August 01, 2018, 01:49:45 PM »
Hello All, I'm new to the flat earth discussion board, and I wanted to get some feedback from you guys and introduce myself.

First off, I think its totally possible that the earth could be flat, and some of the arguments and videos that I've have really convinced me that this is the case. But there are just some things that I can't wrap my head around and keep me up at night... like this live video feed for instance - https://www.visitdebeaches.com/live-webcams/rehoboth-beach-boardwalk-webcam/

I just don't see how to explain the curve in this feed can be real and the earth can be flat at the same time.

Any help would be appreciated, you guys are great.

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Re: Trying to rationalize in my head
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 01:56:01 PM »
Looks like lens distortion to me.

My feedback relates to "some of the arguments and videos that I've have really convinced me that this is the case."

What might those arguments or videos be?
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Not Flat. Happy to prove this, if you ask me.
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Nearly all flat earthers agree the earth is not a globe.

Nearly?

pj1

Re: Trying to rationalize in my head
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 02:00:41 PM »

I just don't see how to explain the curve in this feed can be real and the earth can be flat at the same time.


Unfortunately imagery like that doesn't tell us much. For example, a wide angle lens can make a ruler look curved, just due to the way the lenses work.  You might want to check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-angle_lens

Example of wide angle lens adding curve to 'straight lines':
https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/photography/2015/05/wide-angle-lenses-750px-01.jpg

Re: Trying to rationalize in my head
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 03:54:11 PM »

I just don't see how to explain the curve in this feed can be real and the earth can be flat at the same time.


Unfortunately imagery like that doesn't tell us much. For example, a wide angle lens can make a ruler look curved, just due to the way the lenses work.  You might want to check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-angle_lens

Example of wide angle lens adding curve to 'straight lines':
https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/photography/2015/05/wide-angle-lenses-750px-01.jpg
Lens distortion is a very real thing. That's a wide-angle camera, and the result of that is that everything appears to curve around the central point of the frame. Things at the top seem to curve down, and things at the bottom seem to curve up.

Actually, there's plenty we can do to deal with lens distortion of you put your mind to it. If you were serious about using a distorted image like this one to figure out the straightness or curvature of some feature, you could use your knowledge of lens distortion to undo it. Real scientists don't just throw their hands up and say, "I guess we'll never know." As we've said, objects at the top of the image are bent down (like the horizon in that image). Objects at the bottom are bent upward by the same amount. Objects in the center of the frame are not bent at all. So the first thing to do when you see a distorted image like this is check to see if the interesting part of the image ever passes through the center of the frame. If you can catch your object center-frame, just take your measurements there. If not (as in this case), you'd have to calculate how much curvature there is and account for that. The math for it isn't all that hard, but here's a link to how you can do it using software: https://photography.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-remove-lens-distortion-from-drone-video--cms-28958

And if you were to do that with this image, every knowledgeable RE will tell you, you should get a very straight line for the horizon at that low altitude. That's what RE says you should get. Expecting to see the curve is the FE mistake.
 
What I really want to impress upon you is that there is more to learn if you dig a little deeper. There are tiny clues everywhere if you are willing to look for them, and by piecing them together, you can discover the full picture.
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Re: Trying to rationalize in my head
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 01:39:00 PM »
@Tumeni I have watched Globebusters on youtube which intrigued me and lead me do some more research and online investigation.

@pj1 Thank you for the insight that you provided into what might explain the video feed appearing to falsely curve the landscape.  It was throwing me off a little b/c this feed the ocean appears naturally flat http://www.wildwoodsnj.com/wildwood-webcam.cfm.

@ICanScienceThat Thank you for the detailed explanation gonna look up the math.  Guess its similar to measuring the height of something using its shadow.  I just recently downloaded gimp (like photoshop) but free.  Wondering if I can do the same in that program will have to research it a little bit but would a nice feature especially since the program is free. 

Technology was intended to simply but it at times it appears complicates everything...reminds me of woman who use filters and a pound of makeup but look completely different in the morning.  ;D