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Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 11:16:50 AM »
Quote from: DuniyaGolHai on June 13, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
What are your thoughts on this article on Lunar dust vial?

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/neil-armstrong-gave-her-a-vial-of-moon-dust-she-says-shes-suing-so-nasa-wont-take-it-1866564?pfrom=home-topstories
Nasa obviously looking to get evidence the moon dust is fake.  If she took that to a real lab they would tell her it's just earth dirt.  Would be very embarrassing to Nasa.
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 11:37:17 AM »
Quote from: Round Eyes on June 13, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: DuniyaGolHai on June 13, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
What are your thoughts on this article on Lunar dust vial?

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/neil-armstrong-gave-her-a-vial-of-moon-dust-she-says-shes-suing-so-nasa-wont-take-it-1866564?pfrom=home-topstories
Nasa obviously looking to get evidence the moon dust is fake.  If she took that to a real lab they would tell her it's just earth dirt.  Would be very embarrassing to Nasa.
The dust was already tested to have the same composition as moon dust should have, and also a test which it resembles earth crust. But who says moon dust doesn't resemble earth crust in composition?

How would a lab know the dust is from the moon? It would have a certain composition of materials, but NASA could easily have created this composition to anything they wished.

The only way to properly test the dust, is to have a comparison to another sample of dust which is validated to come from the moon. And since all samples come from space agencies you can't trust anyway, you have no way of knowing.

It makes no difference if a private person has a vial of supposed moon dust, but it is a historical artifact and it could be considered stealing if Neil Armstrong stole the vial and dust from NASA at the time.
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 11:52:30 AM »
Slightly sceptical that Armstrong would have been allowed to keep vials of moon dust himself, much less given them away to people.
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 03:34:03 PM »
Quote from: Round Eyes on June 13, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
If she took that to a real lab they would tell her it's just earth dirt.  Would be very embarrassing to Nasa.

Which lab would you suggest?
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 03:35:09 PM »
Quote from: SphericalEarther on June 13, 2018, 11:37:17 AM
How would a lab know the dust is from the moon? It would have a certain composition of materials, but NASA could easily have created this composition to anything they wished.

How would you "create" such a composition?
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 03:54:52 PM »
Quote from: Tumeni on June 13, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: Round Eyes on June 13, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
If she took that to a real lab they would tell her it's just earth dirt.  Would be very embarrassing to Nasa.

Which lab would you suggest?

was more of a tongue in cheek comment.  its obviously not real either way.  even there own "experts" didnt agree.  what testing lab (other than nasa) has access to moon soil to compare it to?  they just compared the sample to write up's from NASA which arent valid anyway.

all she did was find some dirt without organics.  its a fake, who cares.

just more fake PR news issued by NASA to drum up support.  ironic this story is all of a sudden in the news as NASA is trying to keep funding for its future "moon/mars" missions.
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Re: Neil Armstrong Gave Her A Vial Of Moon Dust. She's Suing So NASA Won't Take It
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2018, 05:10:05 PM »
Many labs have tested moon rocks before. It's likely the sample was tested by one. Anyone can request moon rocks for scientific purposes from NASA. One test said it's not moon dust. One said it might be, but it's more likely to be a very small amount mixed in with plain-old earth stuff.

Also, the note given by Neil doesn't mention the sample at all. It's a real note, that's been confirmed, but it might have no relation whatsoever to the sample.

Quote from: Round Eyes on June 13, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
they just compared the sample to write up's from NASA which arent valid anyway.

Why aren't they valid?

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all she did was find some dirt without organics.  its a fake, who cares.

We can't know for sure if its fake.

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just more fake PR news issued by NASA to drum up support.  ironic this story is all of a sudden in the news as NASA is trying to keep funding for its future "moon/mars" missions.

This wasn't issued by NASA. This wouldn't even give NASA any support. NASA has been facing opposition for decades, this isn't planned. NASA even got a large increase in their budget for FY 2018, why would they need this to keep funding if they already have it?
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