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Title: Himawari-8
Post by: shaunm1963 on October 08, 2015, 12:40:03 PM: Hello, for the record, I am pro-FE. I am very concerned by the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6ijGjm8jw

I commented thus: Hi, just wondering:

1. The satellite must be speeding around the Earth at the SAME speed that the Earth is rotating in order to keep the same facing position.
2. The satellite must be doing 1. AND following the path of the Earth as IT rotates around the Sun.
3. The satellite must be keeping pace with the Sun as IT moves through it's galactic path. This must take some pretty smart calculations and flight path maneuvering.
4. Would the Sun at a rough distance of 93 million miles cause a shiny spot on the Earth as seen in this footage?
5. I thought that the earth was supposed to be an OBLATE SPHEROID......I can't see that particular shape in this footage.
6. Why can no stars be seen even when the Earth is in full shadow? Can anyone help me with these issues? Please help! .....

I received this answer:
1. Sort of, it's moving at 7000 mph which at 22000 mile altitude means it keeps pace with the rotation of the Earth.
3. The gravity of the Sun actually makes next to no difference to the satellite. The moon has more effect and that is still very small and only requires small alterations to the orbit.
4. Yep, that is the sun reflecting off the water.
5. It is, but the difference is very small and won't be visible in images this small. The diameter of the earth is only 26 miles more measured across the equator as from pole to pole. 6. The exposure time on the camera does not change at all. So it is only set to expose for the sunlit earth. And will not be sensitive enough to pick up the stars. Not sure how clear these answers are, if you want elaboration on any give us a shout. Hope it helps anyway. Any thoughts?

I really don't want this to be happening; I considered thus: Could these Earth 'images' be high-altitude shots rendered on a concave, stretched around a ball to make it look like a globe Earth? You see, if this satellite is real and the photos ARE taken from 22,000 miles away then we all may as well forget any notion of a flat Earth. These images need to be debunked now. Please go to the youtube page (title above) and go to http://www.jma-net.go.jp/msc/en/index.html AND http://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this proof that the Earth is indeed a ball? Or is this just more imagery-fakery to put us all off the scent?

Shaun
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 08, 2015, 01:10:48 PM: If indeed NASA is behind hiding the flat earth, then they're going to have to have some very long tentacles in order to get the Japanese on board too, broadening the scope of their conspiracy, which as is my usual main point- makes it harder to hide. The larger the conspiracy gets, the less a chance it has of being hidden and kept.

I'm really excited to see what sort of rebuttal the answers you were given get from people here.

I already know in advance that nobody is going to look at that and say "Holy crap, they're right" because we're never looking to be proven wrong, only have our opinions validated, even if we need to grasp at the tiniest of straws.

I WILL say this- faked or not, that's cool as hell to watch.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 08, 2015, 03:34:13 PM: It is very easy to debunk the fake "Earth" from space photographs.

Just call (the Japan space agency) them and ask: according to which law of gravity did you launch into space this satellite? according to which law of gravity does it orbit the Earth, as the Earth itself supposedly orbits the Sun?

They will answer: of course, according to Newton's law of universal gravitation.

This is how we can see and easily deduce the entire faked sequence of events.

Satellites orbit at a much lower altitude than we are told, and they all use Nikola Tesla's Cosmic Ray Device and the Biefeld-Brown effect to stay in orbit.

We only have to take into consideration the Allais effect, to see and to prove that the entire satellite mission, as reported in the video, is completely fake.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 08, 2015, 03:54:39 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 08, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
It is very easy to debunk the fake "Earth" from space photographs.

Just call (the Japan space agency) them and ask: according to which law of gravity did you launch into space this satellite? according to which law of gravity does it orbit the Earth, as the Earth itself supposedly orbits the Sun?

They will answer: of course, according to Newton's law of universal gravitation.

This is how we can see and easily deduce the entire faked sequence of events.

Satellites orbit at a much lower altitude than we are told, and they all use Nikola Tesla's Cosmic Ray Device and the Biefeld-Brown effect to stay in orbit.

We only have to take into consideration the Allais effect, to see and to prove that the entire satellite mission, as reported in the video, is completely fake.

I'm really new here- can you humor me and cite proof of all this?
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 08, 2015, 05:45:41 PM: All satellites (geostationary/orbital) use Tesla's Cosmic Ray Device to function:

WHAT IS NOT SAID ABOUT THE SATELLITES

A TESLA FREE RADIANT ENERGY TYPE IS SO SMALL THAT CAN BE CAMOUFLAGED EASILY

Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932 Nikola Tesla states:

I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan.

With such a permanent supply of high quality energy, certainly the satellites are remote controlled from earth to make them go around or stay hovering in a specific place. They don't stay quite or moving because of any gravity - which is a lie- but because of the energy taken from those layers.

Satellites and geocentrism:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080130025500/http://www.fixedearth.com/geosynchronous_sa.htm

BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3418.msg77421#msg77421

LAMOREAUX EFFECT: terrestrial gravity is a force of pressure

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1616174#msg1616174

The clouds depicted in the video/photographs themselves defy the same law which supposedly governs the description of the orbit of the satellite:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3418.msg77448#msg77448

"During the total eclipses of the sun on June 30, 1954, and October 22, 1959, quite analogous deviations of the plane of oscillation of the paraconical pendulum were observed..." - Maurice Allais, 1988 Nobel autobiographical lecture.

In a marathon experiment, Maurice Allais released a Foucault pendulum every 14 minutes - for 30 days and nights -without missing a data point. He recorded the direction of rotation (in degrees) at his Paris laboratory. This energetic show of human endurance happened to overlap with the 1954 solar eclipse. During the eclipse, the pendulum took an unexpected turn, changing its angle of rotation by 13.5 degrees.

Allais' pendulum experiments earned him the 1959 Galabert Prize of the French Astronautical Society, and in 1959 he was made a laureate of the United States Gravity Research Foundation.

Dr. Maurice Allais: Should the laws of gravitation be reconsidered?

http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/media10-12.htm

In the present status of the discussion, the abnormalities observed can be accounted for only by considering the existence of a new field. (page 12)

Multiple confirmations of the Allais effect:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1626747#msg1626747

Dr. Maurice Allais:

“… the current theory of gravitation (being the result of the application, within the current theory of relative motions, of the principles of inertia and universal gravitation to any one of the Galilean spaces) complemented or not by the corrections suggested by the theory of relativity, leads to orders of magnitude [many factors of ten] for lunar and solar action (which are strictly not to be perceived experimentally) of some 100 million times less than the effects noted [during the eclipse] ... [emphasis added].”

In other words, the pendulum motions Allais observed during his two eclipses – 1954 and 1959 -- were physically IMPOSSIBLE … according to all known “textbook physics!”

(http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/1999/10/08/ast12oct99_1_resources/allais.gif)

The eclipse and the pendulum - How the pendulum's swing angle changed during the 1954 eclipse
The plane of the oscillation of the pendulum shifted approximately 15 centesimal degrees during the eclipse (approximately 13.5 degrees)
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: geckothegeek on October 08, 2015, 06:00:00 PM: Quote from: shaunm1963 on October 08, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
Hello, for the record, I am pro-FE. I am very concerned by the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6ijGjm8jw

I commented thus: Hi, just wondering:

1. The satellite must be speeding around the Earth at the SAME speed that the Earth is rotating in order to keep the same facing position.
2. The satellite must be doing 1. AND following the path of the Earth as IT rotates around the Sun.
3. The satellite must be keeping pace with the Sun as IT moves through it's galactic path. This must take some pretty smart calculations and flight path maneuvering.
4. Would the Sun at a rough distance of 93 million miles cause a shiny spot on the Earth as seen in this footage?
5. I thought that the earth was supposed to be an OBLATE SPHEROID......I can't see that particular shape in this footage.
6. Why can no stars be seen even when the Earth is in full shadow? Can anyone help me with these issues? Please help! .....

I received this answer:
1. Sort of, it's moving at 7000 mph which at 22000 mile altitude means it keeps pace with the rotation of the Earth.
3. The gravity of the Sun actually makes next to no difference to the satellite. The moon has more effect and that is still very small and only requires small alterations to the orbit.
4. Yep, that is the sun reflecting off the water.
5. It is, but the difference is very small and won't be visible in images this small. The diameter of the earth is only 26 miles more measured across the equator as from pole to pole. 6. The exposure time on the camera does not change at all. So it is only set to expose for the sunlit earth. And will not be sensitive enough to pick up the stars. Not sure how clear these answers are, if you want elaboration on any give us a shout. Hope it helps anyway. Any thoughts?

I really don't want this to be happening; I considered thus: Could these Earth 'images' be high-altitude shots rendered on a concave, stretched around a ball to make it look like a globe Earth? You see, if this satellite is real and the photos ARE taken from 22,000 miles away then we all may as well forget any notion of a flat Earth. These images need to be debunked now. Please go to the youtube page (title above) and go to http://www.jma-net.go.jp/msc/en/index.html AND http://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this proof that the Earth is indeed a ball? Or is this just more imagery-fakery to put us all off the scent?

Shaun

You just have to assume from the flat earth viewpoint that any and all photographs or videos are all fakes.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 08, 2015, 06:25:34 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 08, 2015, 05:45:41 PM

WHAT IS NOT SAID ABOUT THE SATELLITES

A TESLA FREE RADIANT ENERGY TYPE IS SO SMALL THAT CAN BE CAMOUFLAGED EASILY

Hold up a minute.

This whole thing has no tangible proof or reliable verification to distinguish it from mere theory because "It can be camouflaged easily.?"
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 09, 2015, 06:03:39 AM: (https://web.archive.org/web/20060902183109im_/http://www.smgaels.org/physics/97/MARIN32.GIF)(https://web.archive.org/web/20060902183109im_/http://www.nuenergy.org/images/gif/img00001.gif)

The solar panels are the rectangle P in the Tesla Receiver

http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/tesfreee.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_36.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/apparatus_radiantenergy.pdf

(https://web.archive.org/web/20060902183109im_/http://www.thetech.org/hyper/satellite/images/anatomy.gif)

Tesla's Cosmic Ray device supplies sufficient energy for the satellite to operate in a continuous mode, using the Biefeld-Brown effect.

For the Soviet Cosmospheres, however, a more sophisticated device is needed: something similar to the T. Henry Moray amplifier:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_firesky_01.htm

http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray.htm

(http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray01a.jpg)

(http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray02a.jpg)

Here the Moray radiant energy device is providing free power to 35 100-watt lamps and a 1200-watt iron.

(http://www.kennsplace.com/re_device/100_watt_device.jpg)

(http://www.kennsplace.com/re_device/moraycolor.jpg)

http://www.kennsplace.com/re.html

The ISS also uses a similar mechanism/source of energy to stay in orbit, using the Biefeld-Brown effect.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: shaunm1963 on October 09, 2015, 08:48:34 AM: Hello, Sandokhan......sorry, a bit confused...are you saying that, through this Tesla technology the satellite does exist and the images are real, or that the satellite could only exist if this technology was employed, but currently isn't...??

Thanks, Shaun
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 09, 2015, 09:41:27 AM: Satellites do exist, but they orbit at a much lower altitude than we are being told.

Satellites use the Biefeld-Brown effect to stay in orbit.

The images shown in the first message of this thread are false.

The clouds depicted in the video/photographs themselves defy the same law which supposedly governs the description of the orbit of the satellite:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3418.msg77448#msg77448
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 09, 2015, 11:35:20 AM: You continue to talk about electricity or static suspending millions of pounds of water in the air in the form of clouds.

Legitimate if you're talking about the suspension of the cumulative weight. Science though, doesn't work that way. Rather the scientific principals of gravity and buoyancy apply to each water droplet- millions of which could be required to form a single raindrop. (more on these in a moment) In effect, the universal scientific principals at work are not being applied to a million pound cloud, but to a very lightweight droplet individually, a gazillion times over.

Think about a helium balloon, if you want to raise the scale for the sake of simplicity. A single balloon weighs a negligible amount. Fill it with buoyant gas, and it will rise. Fill a billion of them with the same gas, and they will all rise into the air, but if you weigh the cumulative formation, I'll bet it's a little heavier than one balloon is.
-According to your arguments though, since the balloon formation now weighs several hundred pounds, there is no reason that it should be able to float into the sky without artificial means. This isn't the defiance of gravity as you claim, but merely circumventing it for a time...and only for a time, since at one point, the balloons will come back to the earth.

What static electricity is causing the steam to rise from your coffee cup in the morning, or from your shower head? Water vapor is buoyant. Your theory of electro-static-bifeld-brown refutes not only gravity, but buoyancy. You'd essentially have to claim that anything that floats on water is doing so artificially as well.

I am also seeing in your links plenty of talk about suspending the water vapor in cloud form, but it seems to leave out how and why precipitation occurs. If this principal you mention is responsible for artificially hoisting satellites and clouds into the air, why do the satellites not come crashing to the ground every time it rains? Is this biefeld-brown effect selective in what matter it chooses to hold up? How come everything lighter than a million-pound cloud or fifty ton satellite doesn't simply keep going if I throw it into the air?

You claim that an artificial source of levitation is the source of things being kept aloft simply because Tesla was able to perform a few experiments. I can keep a ball bearing aloft with a few well-placed magnets, but nobody is claiming that magnetism is at work in keeping American Airways aloft.

I'm not a scientifically minded individual- so, without the gazillions of regurgitated links, answer me this question very simply before we can continue:

What is causing the biefeld-brown effect on earth which you claim is keeping clouds and satellites aloft?- Which you so confidently claim negates the video provided by OP?
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rayzor on October 09, 2015, 11:47:30 AM: The only thing new about Himawari 8 is that it's high resolution full colour with fast update times, geostationary weather satellites are nothing new, they have been in orbit since the 1970's taking full disk images of the earth from multiple positions every day, day in day out for decades.

The Russians also have geostationary satellites that have high resolution full colour imaging. But they seem to like weird false colour infra red images, maybe it's better for weather predictions in infra red.

http://eng.ntsomz.ru/electro
http://eng.ntsomz.ru/electro/el_03042014

Then there's the European and Indian versions, not to forget little old NASA struggling to keep up. :)
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 09, 2015, 01:41:45 PM: Why do the satellites not come crashing to the ground every time it rains? Is this biefeld-brown effect selective in what matter it chooses to hold up? How come everything lighter than a million-pound cloud or fifty ton satellite doesn't simply keep going if I throw it into the air?

The Biefeld-Brown as applied to satellites means that, a satellite will act as a capacitor, where the movement is carried out from the ground (remote control) in the direction desired: this is the Biefeld-Brown effect, a forward thrust would be produced which would move the capacitor in the direction of the positive pole.

The supply of electricity is effectuated by the Tesla Cosmic Ray device.

Without that device, the satellite would simply fall to the ground, due to the effects of terrestrial gravitation: the dextrorotatory subquarks, whether it rains or not.

The Biefeld-Brown effect makes possible the capture of LAEVOROTATORY SUBQUARKS, the antigravitational force, which provides the capacity to orbit above the ground.

The Biefeld-Brown effect on clouds, the interaction of laevorotatory subquark strings/telluric currents with actual drops of water, is explained here.

"The ground and the ionosphere induce secondary charge-layers in the atmosphere. In such a secondary layer cloud-building takes place. Generation of electricity in clouds is due not to the friction of neutral clouds on mountain ridges, or to the friction of neutral clouds among themselves, or to the friction of droplets by the gravitational pull on them, but to the fact that droplets rise already charged toward the charged layer of the atmosphere, and clouds are further subjected to induction by the ground and the ionosphere. This explains also the segregation of the charges in the upper and lower levels of the clouds."

Legitimate if you're talking about the suspension of the cumulative weight. Science though, doesn't work that way. Rather the scientific principals of gravity and buoyancy apply to each water droplet- millions of which could be required to form a single raindrop. (more on these in a moment) In effect, the universal scientific principals at work are not being applied to a million pound cloud, but to a very lightweight droplet individually, a gazillion times over.

No, you have left the realm of science way behind you, as you do not understand the physics involved here.

You remind me of someone who wrote long ago:

You seem to mentally accumulate this entire cloud as some massive object that is all at once affected by gravity when it is instead the dispersed droplets that are in question here.

Let us go again to the textbook on atmospheric physics.

The water in a cloud can have a mass of several million tons.

It is a massive object AFFECTED AT ONCE AND CONSTANTLY BY THE SUPPOSED EFFECT OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY.

Cloud droplets are also about 1000 times heavier than evaporated water, so they are much heavier than air.

Official science: typical cumulus cloud has some 1/2 g per cubic meter of water density

Typical cumulus cloud = one cubic kilometer in size = one billion km in volume

total water content of the cloud = 500,000,000 grams of water, or 1.1 million pounds

OFFICIAL STANDARD TEXTBOOKS:

Clouds can have a large range of mass per volume, depending on how large and numerous the cloud droplets or ice crystals are that are in them.

How much does the water in a cumulus cloud weigh? Peggy LeMone, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, did the numbers.

"The water in the little cloud weighs about 550 tons," she calculates.

You simply haven't done your homework on this one at all.

Again, please understand, this is official science information.

Official science: typical cumulus cloud has some 1/2 g per cubic meter of water density

Typical cumulus cloud = one cubic kilometer in size = one billion km in volume

total water content of the cloud = 500,000,000 grams of water, or 1.1 million pounds

The combined state of water in any cloud, for a certain volume and density will have a certain weight.

For that volume, one billion meters, and a density of 1/2 g per cubic meter, there will be a weight of 1.1 million pounds.

Your analogy between multiple helium balloons and droplets of water in clouds makes no sense at all; again, we are leaving the realm of science.

OFFICIAL STANDARD TEXTBOOKS:

Clouds can have a large range of mass per volume, depending on how large and numerous the cloud droplets or ice crystals are that are in them.

How much does the water in a cumulus cloud weigh? Peggy limee, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, did the numbers.

"The water in the little cloud weighs about 550 tons," she calculates.

What static electricity is causing the steam to rise from your coffee cup in the morning, or from your shower head?

Again, you haven't done your homework.

Clouds ARE NOT water vapour: they are either water droplets or ice crystals.

A CLOUD IS A VISIBLE MASS OF DROPLETS. The small droplets of water WHICH DO MAKE UP A CLOUD, will have 0.01 mm in diameter.
The tiny particles of water are very densely packed, and may even combine to form larger water molecules, which ARE denser than the surrounding air.

What is causing the biefeld-brown effect on earth which you claim is keeping clouds and satellites aloft?- Which you so confidently claim negates the video provided by OP?

Each and every nanometer of aether (space, for the RE) is filled with strings of subquarks/telluric currents, we can call it ether.

The existence of such currents has been evidenced by the classical experiments of Dayton Miller, Yuri Galaev and Steve Lamoreaux.

The antigravitational subquarks can be accessed by torsion, applied electrical force or by sound.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 09, 2015, 02:20:23 PM: Answer me this without a dissertation and 38 links back to your own forum. Use plain English and don't go off on a tangent, and make an attempt at doing it without the 'you haven't done your homework' snark. It makes you look defensive.

True or False: You are asserting that a cloud is one entity which is too heavy, based on the weight of water- to float in the sky on its own, and needs to be held aloft with a cosmic ray device.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: juner on October 09, 2015, 04:47:46 PM: Quote from: Disgraced_Shield on October 09, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
Answer me this without a dissertation and 38 links back to your own forum. Use plain English and don't go off on a tangent...

You must be new around here... Sandokhan/levee offers the very best proofs in the business and you will get all of them, every time, regardless how loosely related they may be.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 09, 2015, 07:50:06 PM: BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT APPLIED TO WATER MOLECULES: THE ICOSAHEDRON AND ETHER WAVES

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759332#msg759332 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759332#msg759332) (MAGNETRICITY)

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759935#msg759935 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759935#msg759935) (BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT)

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759968#msg759968 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759968#msg759968) (CLOUDS)

"A recent theory by Martin Chaplin Professor of Applied Science Water and Aqueous Systems Research of the London South Bank University demonstrates that water molecules can arrange themselves in various structures and configurations based on the icosahedron. The most amazing structure is a super icosahedral structure that exists of 13 smaller icosahedral structures with a total of 1820 water molecules."

(http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/Joe_Cell_2.gif)

Icosahedral super water cluster of 1820 H2O molecules

"Chaplin’s model of the molecular structuring of water is able to explain many of the anomalous properties of water, such as its expansion between 0 en 4 degrees, its high boiling point and many other strange properties that makes water such a rare fluid. So what this theory shows is that water dynamically creates these super icosahedral clusters to give water its exclusive properties."

ICOSAHEDRAL WATER CLUSTERS:

http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/clusters_overview.html (http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/clusters_overview.html)

http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/cluster_evidence.html (http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/cluster_evidence.html)

Let us remember that the water molecule itself, H₂O, is actually in the shape of an icosahedron:

(http://hpb.narod.ru/tph/OC157.JPG)

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/oc/chaptr13.pdf (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/oc/chaptr13.pdf)

Baryons, mesons, quarks, subquarks:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1401101#msg1401101 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1401101#msg1401101)

"Water can perhaps best be understood -from pure symmetry terms - as a device to permit the successful compression of electrical charge. To complete compression successfully - nature uses what every mathematician knows is the ONLY geometry for infinite or perfected - compression: FRACTALITY (self similarity)."

"Now here’s the secret of water in relation with ether energy, these icosahedral structures resonate with the telluric currents through form! They are the waveguides that allow the subquark strings to implode [that is, to form a double torsion tornado around the water molecule itself]. The icosahedral water clusters simply, nest or fit recursively into the fractal matrix of imploding waves that sustains matter, i.e. the atoms of the water molecules."

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/water4.html (http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/water4.html)

"Water through this internal self-similarity with the internal structure of the atom in fractal form, will start to act like a super conductor to this imploding ether energy."

The very shape of a water droplet is actually an ideal capacitor:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091106165712/http://www.goldenmean.info/biophoton/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20091106165712/http://www.goldenmean.info/biophoton/)

The relationship between a water molecule and the local capacitive charge field:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080624000331/http://www.goldenmean.info/rain/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20080624000331/http://www.goldenmean.info/rain/)

http://www.ias.ac.in/jess/june2004/Esb1571.pdf

The relaxation time required for a ventilated drop to reach its equilibrium temperature increases with the drop size and is higher for the charged than for the uncharged drops. It is concluded that in a given distance, charged drops will evaporate less than that of uncharged drops.

THE CHARGED DROPS WILL EVAPORATE LESS THAN THE UNCHARGED DROPS. WHY? BECAUSE OF THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, WHICH DOES PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL ENERGY (ANTIGRAVITATIONAL) IN THE FORM OF LAEVOROTATORY SUBQUARKS.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rayzor on October 10, 2015, 01:11:29 AM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 08, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
It is very easy to debunk the fake "Earth" from space photographs.

So, how, exactly did you debunk the millions of full disk images taken over the last 40 years?

Let's suppose your physics is correct, how does that debunk the photographic evidence.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 10, 2015, 12:13:20 PM: Quote from: junker on October 09, 2015, 04:47:46 PM
Quote from: Disgraced_Shield on October 09, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
Answer me this without a dissertation and 38 links back to your own forum. Use plain English and don't go off on a tangent...

You must be new around here... Sandokhan/levee offers the very best proofs in the business and you will get all of them, every time, regardless how loosely related they may be.

There's a saying in the IT world- "If you can't explain it to the simplest of users, you have no idea what you're talking about."
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 10, 2015, 01:23:26 PM: Your brilliant analogies and observations (helium balloons compared to droplets, and coffee/shower vapour to cloud water droplets) should enable you to have no problems understanding the discussion.

A single image is sufficient to show that the photographs (JSA) are false:

(http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/1999/10/08/ast12oct99_1_resources/allais.gif)

The eclipse and the pendulum - How the pendulum's swing angle changed during the 1954 eclipse

The plane of the oscillation of the pendulum shifted approximately 15 centesimal degrees during the eclipse (approximately 13.5 degrees)

It takes a single counterexample to debunk a hypothesis (in our case, attractive gravity): and the Allais effect is the most important such counterexample.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 11, 2015, 09:52:27 AM: Dr. Maurice Allais:

With regard to the validity of my experiments, it seems
best to reproduce here the testimony of General Paul Bergeron,
ex-president of the Committee for Scientific Activities for
National Defense, in his letter of May 1959 to Werner von
Braun:

"Before writing to you, I considered it necessary to
visit the two laboratories of Professor Allais (one 60
meters underground), in the company of eminent
specialists – including two professors at the Ecole
Polytechnique. During several hours of discussion, we
could find no source of significant error, nor did any
attempt at explanation survive analysis.

"I should also tell you that during the last two years,
more than ten members of the Academy of Sciences and
more than thirty eminent personalities, specialists in
various aspects of gravitation, have visited both his
laboratory at Saint-Germain, and his underground
laboratory at Bougival.

"Deep discussions took place, not only on these
occasions, but many times in various scientific contexts,
notably at the Academy of Sciences and the National
Center for Scientific Research. None of these discussions
could evolve any explanation within the framework of
currently accepted theories."

This letter confirms clearly the fact that was finally
admitted at the time - the total impossibility of explaining the
perceived anomalies within the framework of currently
accepted theory.

In the present status of the discussion, the abnormalities observed can be accounted for only by considering the existence of a new field.

The New Physical Field of Maurice Allais:

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2010/Fall_2010/New_Physical_Field_Maurice_Allais.pdf
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 11, 2015, 01:18:32 PM: "Allais noted that the normal, progressive "Foucault motion" of his laboratory's uniquely-designed "paraconical pendulum," during the eclipse, suddenly reversed ... and literally "ran backwards" ... until mid-eclipse, when the pendulum motion reversed again ... rapidly resuming its normal rate and direction of angular rotation (below) ....

This set of completely inexplicable (under any current theory ...) solar eclipse observations has since been termed "the Allais Effect."

(http://www.enterprisemission.com/Allais-Pendulum.jpg)

A trace of Allais' actual, remarkable 1954 pendulum observations -- made during the eclipse.

"The three vertical panels to its right illustrate the pendulum’s “highly anomalous motions” -- recorded during two partial solar eclipses to cross Allais’ Paris laboratory in the 1950’s (the first in 1954, the second in 1959); the phase of each eclipse that corresponded with these “anomalous motions,” is depicted in the last three vertical strips (far right)."

"Needless to say, this astonishing behavior was completely unpredicted ("unmodeled" is the term ...) by either Newton or Einstein -- in terms of the "normal" inertial motions of a pendulum freely swinging under gravity ...."

"Trying to use Foucault's pendulum as proof for heliocentricity really backfired when Maurice Allais repeatedly observed pendulums slowing their motion during eclipses! This implies that either the "rotating Earth" decelerates during eclipses or the firmament does."
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 12, 2015, 06:40:41 AM: "The heart of all good science is “replication.”

By repeating his “anomalous 1954 observations” five years later, during another solar eclipse over Paris (in October, 1959), Allais fulfilled every essence of “good science” – even if the mainstream theoretical community was (and still is!) completely baffled by his remarkable, physically replicable ... meticulously empirical observations.

The overlaid graph (below), containing the paraconical pendulum data from BOTH sets of eclipse observations, proves the elemental point":

(http://www.enterprisemission.com/Allais-Comparison-54&59.jpg)

"It was the periodicity of the variations in azimuth which proved to be
most interesting. After discounting for the Foucault effect and the “return
effect” due to the anisotropy of the support, Allais found very strong
evidence for a periodic effect which could not be attributed to any known
cause. Harmonic analysis by a mathematical technique known as a BuysBallot
filter showed that the periodicity manifested itself on a cycle of 24
and 25 hours. Analysis showed that the unknown disturbing influence or
influences giving rise to this periodicity was of a strong character, with a
strength on average and as a whole about twice that of the Foucault effect.

An analysis by M. Allais showed that the difference in
gravitational attraction exerted by the luni-solar alignment upon a point on
the Earth could not give rise to such variations in the pendulum, for the order
of magnitude of such effect is 100 million times smaller than the
gravitational field which drives the pendulum’s fall.

Thus, neither the regular cyclical variation of the pendulum, nor the
anomalous behavior at the time of solar eclipse can be explained by the
presently understood theory of gravitation. Something else is at work.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity. Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause."
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: shaunm1963 on October 12, 2015, 07:41:56 AM: Hi, thanks for all the wonderful replies, especially to sandokhan for introducing me to entirely hitherto unknown concepts (which I will look into). However, just for a moment put all theorizing, speculation and argument aside...............can anyone link to a web page or two that shows photographs and/or videos of actual satellites in space, doing their thing? We can take photographs of Pluto, so surely, someone must have snapped or filmed a passing satellite; I don't just mean the star-like passing in the night sky. Thanks.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 12, 2015, 09:22:33 AM: There are plenty of videos on youtube, showing a satellite transit across the moon, the ISS transits across the sun/moon.

http://home.clara.net/robertkeddie/Astro/geo.htm
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 12, 2015, 12:58:00 PM: Okay. Copy-pasta aside, I'll ask you for a third time.

Simply put- answer me these questions. I know how you'll answer some of them, but...again, humor me.

1. Are cosmic ray devices responsible for holding satellites in orbit?

2. Are cosmic ray devices responsible for holding clouds suspended above the earth, since you claim that clouds are too heavy to be held aloft by updrafts as is claimed by conventional science? (That cloud mass is measured collectively)

2a: Is precipitation a result of a charge difference in droplets?

3. What are the operating capacities of these cosmic ray devices? ie: if they're what are controlling cloud suspension, how many of them are supposedly necessary to facilitate an extremely overcast/cloudy day in the area of a small city?

3a. Rough estimate, how many of these devices do you believe are in deployment worldwide? Flat or round, the surface of the earth is fairly sprawling. Could a single device in New Mexico control cloud cover in India?

4. Who is responsible for the manufacture, placement, management, and maintenance of said devices?

I have more, but the answers to these questions will determine the course of questioning from here out.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 12, 2015, 03:08:14 PM: This kind of trolling would be expected on the other forum... but not here.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: markjo on October 12, 2015, 03:37:40 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 10, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
Your brilliant analogies and observations (helium balloons compared to droplets, and coffee/shower vapour to cloud water droplets) should enable you to have no problems understanding the discussion.

A single image is sufficient to show that the photographs (JSA) are false:

(http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/1999/10/08/ast12oct99_1_resources/allais.gif)

The eclipse and the pendulum - How the pendulum's swing angle changed during the 1954 eclipse

The plane of the oscillation of the pendulum shifted approximately 15 centesimal degrees during the eclipse (approximately 13.5 degrees)
The shifting would probably be easier to explain if it could be reproduced more consistently. As I recall, this anomaly only occurs occasionally during solar eclipses.

Quote from: sandokhan on October 10, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
It takes a single counterexample to debunk a hypothesis (in our case, attractive gravity): and the Allais effect is the most important such counterexample.
That might be true if the cause of that counterexample was well understood. Last I heard, the Allais effect was not well understood.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 12, 2015, 09:39:57 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 12, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
This kind of trolling would be expected on the other forum... but not here.

Three times I asked simple questions, requesting simple answers and have gotten nothing in return but copy-pasta.

This is not trolling, this is consternation. I clearly tell you I am not of a scientific mind, and ask you to explain things to me in a more elementary fashion, which- if you're as good as they say you are, shouldn't be a problem. Yet, instead of simple answers to my questions, you copy/paste things over and over again.

Who is trolling whom?

You make claims, and post 'proof.' I ask for clarification, and get called a troll.
You ignore questions and are hailed as 'the best in the business.'

I think I see what goes on here.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 13, 2015, 06:38:03 AM: Don't play the hypocrite.

You are not here for any serious discussion, just trolling around.

The consternation is on our part: the junior high school level of your posts.

This whole thing has no tangible proof or reliable verification to distinguish it from mere theory because "It can be camouflaged easily.?"

You were given the exact proofs here:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg78010#msg78010

Legitimate if you're talking about the suspension of the cumulative weight. Science though, doesn't work that way. Rather the scientific principals of gravity and buoyancy apply to each water droplet- millions of which could be required to form a single raindrop. (more on these in a moment) In effect, the universal scientific principals at work are not being applied to a million pound cloud, but to a very lightweight droplet individually, a gazillion times over.

This is your "copy & pasta": your own erroneous beliefs, a kindergarten level of approach to science...

Copy & pasta = BIBLIOGRAPHY (do you even know the meaning of the word?)

I present the proofs, in exact wording and images, necessary for you to understand how real science works.

Official science: typical cumulus cloud has some 1/2 g per cubic meter of water density

Typical cumulus cloud = one cubic kilometer in size = one billion km in volume

total water content of the cloud = 500,000,000 grams of water, or 1.1 million pounds

This means that you do not have even the basic knowledge about clouds, atmospheric physics.

That is why I was obliged to quote directly and precisely the very facts of science you are missing.

What static electricity is causing the steam to rise from your coffee cup in the morning, or from your shower head?

I even took the time to answer this kind of trolling:

Clouds ARE NOT water vapour: they are either water droplets or ice crystals.

A CLOUD IS A VISIBLE MASS OF DROPLETS. The small droplets of water WHICH DO MAKE UP A CLOUD, will have 0.01 mm in diameter.
The tiny particles of water are very densely packed, and may even combine to form larger water molecules, which ARE denser than the surrounding air.

Here are more proofs of trolling around.

Think about a helium balloon, if you want to raise the scale for the sake of simplicity. A single balloon weighs a negligible amount. Fill it with buoyant gas, and it will rise. Fill a billion of them with the same gas, and they will all rise into the air, but if you weigh the cumulative formation, I'll bet it's a little heavier than one balloon is.
-According to your arguments though, since the balloon formation now weighs several hundred pounds, there is no reason that it should be able to float into the sky without artificial means. This isn't the defiance of gravity as you claim, but merely circumventing it for a time...and only for a time, since at one point, the balloons will come back to the earth.

The combined state of water in any cloud, for a certain volume and density will have a certain weight.

For that volume, one billion meters, and a density of 1/2 g per cubic meter, there will be a weight of 1.1 million pounds.

Then Disgraced_Shield switches back to the "I am not of a scientific mind" routine:

I'm not a scientifically minded individual- so, without the gazillions of regurgitated links, answer me this question very simply before we can continue:

What is causing the biefeld-brown effect on earth which you claim is keeping clouds and satellites aloft?- Which you so confidently claim negates the video provided by OP?

Then, he goes right back to the trolling routine, EXPRESSELY FORBIDDEN in the rules posted here:

Answer me this without a dissertation and 38 links back to your own forum. Use plain English and don't go off on a tangent, and make an attempt at doing it without the 'you haven't done your homework' snark. It makes you look defensive.

True or False: You are asserting that a cloud is one entity which is too heavy, based on the weight of water- to float in the sky on its own, and needs to be held aloft with a cosmic ray device.

There was no dissertation, in fact I used FEWER WORDS than were included in his previous message, to answer back.

This is the "cosmic ray device" of the water molecule: in just a few paragraphs, using the best available bibliography, we see how the very geometry of the water molecule, the icosahedron, permits the ether waves (copiously proven to exist, if Disgraced_Shield would have taken the time to even lightly look/read over the Dayton Miller and Yuri Galaev articles):

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg78081#msg78081

Perhaps there are less than 100 words there: a clear, simple, beautiful explanation.

Then he goes back to the "I'm too dumb to understand, make it look better for me" routine:

There's a saying in the IT world- "If you can't explain it to the simplest of users, you have no idea what you're talking about."

So then, I resumed everything to one single image, and one single paragraph:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg78111#msg78111

It doesn't get any simpler than this.

FOR THE SAME LAW OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY, AND THE SAME MASS OF THE SUN, EARTH, MOON, AND THE PENDULUM IN QUESTION, THERE IS A HUGE SHIFT OF 13.5 DEGREES OF THE PLANE OF THE PENDULUM DURING THE ECLIPSE.

I then wrote two more messages, and, in order to make sure that everybody understands that the Allais effect did really happen, I even posted the letter sent to Werner von Braun by general Paul Bergeron:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg78130#msg78130

Did Disgraced_Shield take the time to read this letter? Not at all.

To describe the Allais effect even more precisely, I posted this message:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg78131#msg78131

A single image, less than 100 words, using the exact quotes from Dr. Maurice Allais, as bibliographical material: it doesn't get any simpler than this.

Thus, neither the regular cyclical variation of the pendulum, nor the
anomalous behavior at the time of solar eclipse can be explained by the
presently understood theory of gravitation. Something else is at work.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity. Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.

Then, of course, Disgraced_Shield pretends not to have read this simple demonstration, and refuels his trolling routine, using mindless questions:

Okay. Copy-pasta aside, I'll ask you for a third time.

Simply put- answer me these questions. I know how you'll answer some of them, but...again, humor me.

1. Are cosmic ray devices responsible for holding satellites in orbit?

2. Are cosmic ray devices responsible for holding clouds suspended above the earth, since you claim that clouds are too heavy to be held aloft by updrafts as is claimed by conventional science? (That cloud mass is measured collectively)

3. What are the operating capacities of these cosmic ray devices? ie: if they're what are controlling cloud suspension, how many of them are supposedly necessary to facilitate an extremely overcast/cloudy day in the area of a small city?

3a. Rough estimate, how many of these devices do you believe are in deployment worldwide? Flat or round, the surface of the earth is fairly sprawling. Could a single device in New Mexico control cloud cover in India?

4. Who is responsible for the manufacture, placement, management, and maintenance of said devices?

This is the hallmark of a troll: to pretend he was not given any answers, and then to go right back, using even more dumbfounding words/phrases.

It is at this point that one of the moderators/admin should have stepped in to kindly inform Disgraced_Shield that trolling is not permitted in the upper forums.

Then, of course, Disgraced_Shield goes right back to the "I'm too dumb to understand, you just haven't made it clear for me" routine:

Three times I asked simple questions, requesting simple answers and have gotten nothing in return but copy-pasta.

I clearly tell you I am not of a scientific mind, and ask you to explain things to me in a more elementary fashion, which- if you're as good as they say you are, shouldn't be a problem. Yet, instead of simple answers to my questions, you copy/paste things over and over again.

Those questions, the revelant ones, were answered plainly and clearly.

It doesn't get any simpler than that: I used less than 100 words, per message, to describe the physics, the Allais effect, the cosmic ray device invented by Tesla, the Biefeld-Brown effect...

Question: why is this kind of trolling even allowed to go on here, in the upper forums?

It is an open invitation, for anybody else, to do the same thing.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 13, 2015, 11:11:03 AM: The shifting would probably be easier to explain if it could be reproduced more consistently. As I recall, this anomaly only occurs occasionally during solar eclipses.

Exactly, which means that the very source of the antigravitational effect is actually present, in the sky, during the solar eclipse.

The other "anomalies", the DePalma effect, the Kozyrev effect, the Biefeld-Brown effect, the Lamoreaux effect, the Nipher effect tell us that the radiation of the cosmic body which does emit the antigravitational subquarks can be activated/tapped into.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1626747#msg1626747 (confirmation of the Allais effect from 1999 to 2011)

That might be true if the cause of that counterexample was well understood. Last I heard, the Allais effect was not well understood.

It is very well understood: it invalidates immediately and absolutely the assumed law of universal gravitation, here are the calculations:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/Capture_zpskd3rcykr.jpg)

Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

Now, let us closely follow the description of the Allais effect during the August 1, 2008 solar eclipse:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1626747#msg1626747

Abstract — During the solar eclipse of 1 August 2008 three programs of physics observations were independently conducted by teams in Kiev, Ukraine, and Suceava, Romania, separated by about 440 km. The Ukraine team operated five independent miniature torsion balances, one Romania team operated two independent short ball-borne pendulums, and the other Romania team operated a long Foucault-type pendulum.

All three teams detected unexplained disturbances, and these disturbances were mutually correlated. The overall pattern of the observations exhibits certain perplexing features.

Analysis. This long Foucault-type pendulum behaved in a very stable manner, which is quite typical for long pendulums. However well after the end of the locally visible eclipse, at around 11:33 (to the recording resolution, i.e.between the readings at 11:29 and 11:36), some influence clearly acted for a short period to increase the precession rate. This influence no longer acted during the next interval between readings (from 11:36 to 11:43), and then reversed itself to some extent during the next interval (from 11:43 to 11:50).

Comments. This striking deviation during the episode starting at 11:15 is unexplained. Structurally it closely resembles Allais's 1954 observation (Refs. 8, 9, and 10): first an increase of the precession rate, then a plateau, and then a decrease back to the original trend. However it occurred after the end of the visible eclipse, whereas the deviation observed by Allais occurred during the eclipse.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation. The basic reason is that in those models the gravitational influences of several bodies are combined by addition, at least to the accuracy detectable by molar equipment.

However all three of our experiments exhibited rather brusque variations (the abrupt jumps of the Kiev balances, the humps and particularly the sharp spikes in the Suceava short pendulum charts, and the deviation of the Suceava long pendulum) which cannot have resulted from linear combination of the gravitational/tidal influences of the Sun and the Moon, the magnitudes and angles of which vary only gently over the time scales of the effects seen.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Disgraced_Shield on October 13, 2015, 01:05:07 PM: I don't think its at all trolling to want more information on these cosmic ray devices.

Give me more. You told me how they work, which is fine. I liked that. But you told me that three times. You gave me that 'how'
Now I want to know the 'where' 'who' 'why' and the 'what'

Your links and explanations are showing excellent proof of concept. I want proof of application beyond theory.

Stop dodging the simplest of questions, and ramming what you hope I don't bother to read down my throat every time I try to pin down a response out of you.

I'm absolutely not trolling. I'm fishing for answers to inquiries that would support the science you claim is legitimate. You don't get to cry 'foul' when you don't like my questions, that isn't how this works.

I came in here as a skeptic of the flat earth idea. If you continue to get butt-hurt because I want simple answers to simple questions instead of a massive volume of reiterated proof of concept, you're not doing a damn thing to further your cause.

What are these devices? - You answered.
How do they work?- You answered.

As soon as I try to parlay these answers of yours into a real world explanation, you get your hackles up and I'm a troll.

You know what? Skip it. Forget these little questions of mine. If you're so obsessed with not answering them, like it or not....you have anyway.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: markjo on October 13, 2015, 01:23:32 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 13, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
The shifting would probably be easier to explain if it could be reproduced more consistently. As I recall, this anomaly only occurs occasionally during solar eclipses.

Exactly, which means that the very source of the antigravitational effect is actually present, in the sky, during the solar eclipse.
Then why does it occur only during some eclipses but not others?

Quote from: sandokhan on October 13, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
That might be true if the cause of that counterexample was well understood. Last I heard, the Allais effect was not well understood.

It is very well understood: it invalidates immediately and absolutely the assumed law of universal gravitation, here are the calculations:
Oh? This doesn't sound like it's well understood to me.

Quote
Comments. This striking deviation during the episode starting at 11:15 is unexplained. Structurally it closely resembles Allais's 1954 observation (Refs. 8, 9, and 10): first an increase of the precession rate, then a plateau, and then a decrease back to the original trend. However it occurred after the end of the visible eclipse, whereas the deviation observed by Allais occurred during the eclipse.

The nature of this common influence is unknown...
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 13, 2015, 04:16:30 PM: The Allais effect will always occur: however, his experiment used very carefully designed paraconical pendulums, which were not always used in the other experiments (regular Foucault pendulums, torsinds).

http://www.acad.ro/sectii2002/proceedings/doc3_2004/03_Mihaila.pdf (they used a Foucault pendulum)

In order to study more deeply the Allais effect new measurements are necessary, made with the paraconical pendulum (Allais) and also with the Foucault pendulum, during other eclipses.

http://www.hessdalen.org/sse/program/Articol.pdf (they used a paraconical pendulum, and they replicated the Allais effect, they also verified the Jeverdan effect; this was an annular eclipse)

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/jarp/index.php/jarp/article/viewFile/40/22 (both a Foucault pendulum and a torsion balance were used; they carefully noted the abrupt new signal, the distinct variation, not only before the eclipse, and during the eclipse itself, but even after the eclipse)

Given the above, the authors consider that it is an
inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the
end of the visible eclipse, some influence exerted itself upon the
Eastern European region containing our three sets of
equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of
kilometers in width.

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aa/2012/263818/ (both a paraconical pendulum and torsion balances were used, an observed Allais effect)

In particular, we wonder how any physical momentum can be transferred to our instrument during a solar eclipse. Gravity can hardly suffice as an explanation even for understanding the results of the PP measurements. The gravitational potential grows slowly and smoothly over a number of days before eclipse and then declines smoothly afterwards without any sudden variations, but we see relatively short-term events. Moreover, gravity is certainly not applicable to the explanation of the results of the TB observations, since the TB is not sensitive to changes in gravitational potential.

http://www.diaspora-stiintifica.ro/diaspora2010/prezentari/wks18/Dimitrie%20Olenici%20-%20Anomalii%20in%20comportarea%20pendului%20Foucault%20in%20timpul%20unor%20evenimente%20astronomic.pdf (last page, a Foucault pendulum was used, the Allais effect was observed)

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=26045
http://file.scirp.org/Html/3-4500094_26045.htm (both a torsion balance and a Foucault pendulum were used, the Allais effect confirmed)

How difficult is it for these authors, who have carefully recorded these amazing experiments and results, to realize that it is NOT the moon which causes the solar eclipse?

That it is the radiation emitted by this NEW heavenly body which does cause the Allais effect.

The photographs taken in Antarctica by Fred Bruenjes, during the November 2003 total solar eclipse show us that the Moon COULD NOT POSSIBLY cause the solar eclipse.

(http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0805/antarcticeclipse_bruenjes_big.jpg)

(http://www.moonglow.net/eclipse/2003nov23/CRW_4623.jpg)

(http://www.moonglow.net/eclipse/2003nov23/composite2.jpg)

(http://www.moonglow.net/eclipse/2003nov23/CRW_4632a.jpg)

http://www.moonglow.net/eclipse/2003nov23/

Moreover, these photographs show and prove that the Sun does not orbit at an altitude of 3000 miles, that it does not have a 32 mile diameter, and that it does rise and set, which brings to our attention the precession subject.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rayzor on October 14, 2015, 02:22:14 AM: Thanks Sandokhan, interesting reading as always, but I'm confused as to why you think the moon could not cause the solar eclipse.

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The photographs taken in Antarctica by Fred Bruenjes, during the November 2003 total solar eclipse show us that the Moon COULD NOT POSSIBLY cause the solar eclipse.

His detailed trip report is here.
http://www.moonglow.net/eclipse/2003nov23/
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 14, 2015, 07:32:30 AM: The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices. What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?

Farouk El Baz,
NASA

“There is no astronomical reason why the Moon and the Sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion.”

I. Asimov

Each and every one of the theories relating to the origin of the Moon, has been proven to be false, yet, each of these theories assumes that by either breaking off from Earth, or that it was created from space debris, or by collision with the Earth, or by capture, an unimaginable coincidence took place: the Moon positioned itself at just the right distance from the Earth, to block out all but the Sun’s flaming corona when it moves between the Sun and the Earth.

If anybody here accepts the official chronology of history, then he/she will also have to accept this fact:

From America, Christopher Columbus also wrote to the king and the queen of Spain about the simultaneous eclipses:

This that I have said is what I have heard. What I know is that the year 94 I sailed in 24 degrees to the west in 9 hours, and it could not be mistake because there were eclipses: the sun was in Libra and the moon in Ariete.

http://www.mgar.net/docs/colon4.htm

Esto que yo he dicho es lo que he oído. Lo que yo sé es que el ańo de 94 navegué en 24° al Poniente en término de nueve horas, y no pudo haber yerro porque hubo eclipses: el sol estaba en Libra y la luna en Ariete.

Now, "Columbus" is NOT describing a selenelion (both the Sun and the eclipsed Moon can be observed at the same time in the RE theory): he used the words "hubo eclipses" (were eclipses), there were a solar and a lunar eclipse occurring at the same time.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20060210162648im_/http://geocities.com/jesuselcristos/sunmoon180.gif)

For those who have the read the material posted on the ifes board, it becomes obvious that E. Dubay copied my original research on the Black Sun theory: I introduced this idea and all the details years ago.

The Allais effect cannot be explained unless we take into account the very possibility which modern astronomy cannot and will not admit: the solar eclipse is caused by another planet, which does emit the radiation that influences the pendulum's swing.

The photographs taken in Antarctica by F. Bruenjes do prove that the heavenly body observed in the sky between the Sun and the Earth cannot be, and is not, the Moon.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 14, 2015, 07:09:05 PM: The flux of gravitons paradox (how a three body system cannot function given the attractive gravity scenario) - for a better visualization, use Sun - Jupiter - Io

"OBJECTIVE: Demonstrate that this interchange of gravitational particles again will seem to result in violations of conservation of energy. We will do this by demonstrating that, if matter is indeed influenced by gravitational particles, then, even under normal orbital conditions, gravity should decrease, due to a gravitational shadowing effect. This shadowing effect would violate conservation of energy.

Thought Experiment: IMAGINE THAT GRAVITONS BEHAVE LIKE PHOTONS

(for descriptive purposes only)

To better visualize how this partial gravitational influence might be encountered, let us describe gravity and gravitational interaction in terms of light, so that:

If gravitons exist, violations of the Law of Conservation of Energy will almost certainly occur.

Brilliance of light = gravitational attraction = (emission of gravitons)

Decreasing Transparency = Increasing Density and Mass

In this thought experiment, we will specify one sun, one earth and one moon. Each will be partially luminous, to simulate their 'output' of gravitons, and each will also be partially opaque, to indicate their 'capturing-of' or their 'reception-of' gravitons. We would then have the following description of the system.

In this imaginary system, the moon orbits the earth, and the earth-moon pair orbits the sun. Since glow will simulate gravity emitted, we could describe this sun as glowing brighter that this earth, and this earth as glowing brighter than the moon.

In addition, the moon would be more transparent than the earth, and the earth would be less transparent than the sun. This would simulate the increasing 'interception' of gravity, with an increase of both the density and mass from the moon, to the earth then to the sun in our imaginary example.

In this example, the light from the sun would 'attract' the earth and the moon (simulating the pull of gravity). The earth would glow less brilliantly than the sun, but still brighter than the moon. The moon would be attracted to both the earth and the sun, but would orbit the earth. The earth moon pair would then orbit the sun together.

In this example, the moon would spend more time in the earth's shadow, and the earth's shadow would be comparatively darker than the moon's shadow. Since the moon would be attracted to the sun only by the light from the sun, and the light emitted by the earth with the sun shining through the less transparent earth would be less than the light emitted by the sun directly, the moon would gain some amount of orbital distance from the sun every time the moon 'hid' in the earth's shadow.

This gain of gravitational energy, simulated in this example with light and transparency, {for visual purposes only}, would violate conservation of energy. If gravitons exist, they must self-condradictingly pass through nearer masses unaffected, so as not to decrease gravity for masses at a further distance, while still interacting with those closer masses at the same time.

Otherwise, we are left with the choice that masses at a distance will randomly gain some gravitational potential energy depending on whether randomly distributed nearer masses create a gravitational 'shadow' effect. We are once again led to the conclusion that gravitons, if they exist, must create violations of conservation of energy. This is hardly a reliable theoretical endorsement of gravitons, when conservation of energy must fall by the wayside in order to allow gravitons to exist. A much more logical conclusion is again, gravitons do not exist, and cannot exist. Some other method of explaining gravitational interactions must be needed."
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: sandokhan on October 15, 2015, 06:31:16 AM: DOUBLE FORCES OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITATION PARADOX

Stanley Byers presented his findings to the National Science Foundation, the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research and to Dr. Harold Puthoff, with very interesting feedback.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double1_zpsd36dzjwo.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double2_zpskb6obrty.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double3_zpslewnfaqa.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double4_zpsox5aid6z.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double5_zpsnae9mdr8.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/double6_zpsuzu7wyba.jpg)
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: shaunm1963 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:46 PM: Quote from: sandokhan on October 12, 2015, 09:22:33 AM
There are plenty of videos on youtube, showing a satellite transit across the moon, the ISS transits across the sun/moon.

http://home.clara.net/robertkeddie/Astro/geo.htm

Hi and thanks for the reply/link. In my opinion these images show very little of interest and evidence of satellites. I can see white marks. What I really want to see are images/videos of satellites out in space taken by space shuttle/space station crews (ISS, Sky Lab...what happened to that?), other satellites, all the high powered telescopes we have on Earth.

I'm determined to get to the bottom of this FE/RE debate. I don't have a science education nor do I have access to high flying techno talk. I just want simple questions answered in a way that when presented with the data I can then say Ah Yes....therein lies the truth......

So, photos, videos.......actual, close-up, HD, no doubt about it info...

Thanks in anticipation to anyone out there reading this.......because, I reason, surely there must be some rock solid proof of the existence of a satellite especially by the people that put them out there.....?!
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rayzor on October 20, 2015, 07:35:31 AM: Quote from: shaunm1963 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
Thanks in anticipation to anyone out there reading this.......because, I reason, surely there must be some rock solid proof of the existence of a satellite especially by the people that put them out there.....?!

The rock solid proof is that co-ordinates transmitted by the GPS satellites themselves shows they are in orbit. Try pointing your Satellite TV dish in some other direction and see what happens. You can use multiple dishes to triangulate the satellite positions.

As far as pictures of satellites from space, there have been numerous shuttle missions to repair and overhaul satellites, but I guess you think those are all somehow faked.

Here's a 1992 mission to repair Intelsat VI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MPkiPoL4g there are plenty of others.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: shaunm1963 on October 22, 2015, 10:55:09 AM: Quote from: Rayzor on October 20, 2015, 07:35:31 AM
Quote from: shaunm1963 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
Thanks in anticipation to anyone out there reading this.......because, I reason, surely there must be some rock solid proof of the existence of a satellite especially by the people that put them out there.....?!

The rock solid proof is that co-ordinates transmitted by the GPS satellites themselves shows they are in orbit. Try pointing your Satellite TV dish in some other direction and see what happens. You can use multiple dishes to triangulate the satellite positions.

As far as pictures of satellites from space, there have been numerous shuttle missions to repair and overhaul satellites, but I guess you think those are all somehow faked.

Here's a 1992 mission to repair Intelsat VI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MPkiPoL4g there are plenty of others.

Try pointing your Satellite TV dish in some other direction and see what happens.

My satellite dish does not work as a GPS, I have a Garmin for that.

My satellite dish and the aerial on the roof are affected by tall buildings and trees. If satellite dishes work by pointing at satellites in space then why aren't all dishes pointing straight up. In bad weather in winter especially, the signals are poor because Winter Hill is affected.

The rock solid proof is that co-ordinates transmitted by the GPS satellites themselves shows they are in orbit.

GPS co-ordinates/signals prove that there is some technology. This statement does not prove that the satellies exist, only that the signals do. However, let's assume/accept that there are man-made objects high above us, triangulating signals for locational purposes. This does not imply a deep space/high orbital location, for 3000+ (as has elsewhere been stated) objects. Official figures are for 27 (?) (24 active and 3 extra) GPS satellies. This does not rule out a flat-earth model. It means that there are 27 objects high above us triangulating signals.

So far then, I have yet to be given real evidence of the existence of satellites spinning around a globe earth.

Oh, and as far as your video is concerned. I'll include a link: please watch it without a viewpoint/belief (hey, don't make any assumptions about me "but i guess you think they are all somehow faked" ) I'm 52 and I spent 51 years 'believing' everything I was told, everything YOU still believe in (sorry, did I make an assumption?). I've spent a year looking at everything from a different angle, asking questions that shouldn't be asked, considering other possibilities..........perhaps more people should. If at the end of the day, the truth is just what the official experts and government agencies tell us it is, then great, nothing lost. BUT, unless we remove our supposed blinkers we may remain in a darkness that up to know we didn't know we were in.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyeLD04SOII

Now, looking at this, and seeing it from an untainted standpoint, what do you see? What do you conclude? I suppose you think this is mindless conspiracy nonsense? Surely, our own government wouldn't lie to us? Surely, our own government is honest and good...? (Don't consider Cambodia, for example when answering this, it might just taint your opinion).

And here's another for good measure. Is she, or isn't she? (that 's what was asked on the Harmony hairspray ad in the 70's.........so, is she or isn't she?) and look at the Comments I made under the vid. I am still awaiting anyone to re-comment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhzjx8TsuQk
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 06, 2016, 09:36:00 PM: Quote from: shaunm1963 on October 08, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
Hello, for the record, I am pro-FE. I am very concerned by the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6ijGjm8jw

I commented thus: Hi, just wondering:

1. The satellite must be speeding around the Earth at the SAME speed that the Earth is rotating in order to keep the same facing position.
2. The satellite must be doing 1. AND following the path of the Earth as IT rotates around the Sun.
3. The satellite must be keeping pace with the Sun as IT moves through it's galactic path. This must take some pretty smart calculations and flight path maneuvering.
4. Would the Sun at a rough distance of 93 million miles cause a shiny spot on the Earth as seen in this footage?
5. I thought that the earth was supposed to be an OBLATE SPHEROID......I can't see that particular shape in this footage.
6. Why can no stars be seen even when the Earth is in full shadow? Can anyone help me with these issues? Please help! .....

I received this answer:
1. Sort of, it's moving at 7000 mph which at 22000 mile altitude means it keeps pace with the rotation of the Earth.
3. The gravity of the Sun actually makes next to no difference to the satellite. The moon has more effect and that is still very small and only requires small alterations to the orbit.
4. Yep, that is the sun reflecting off the water.
5. It is, but the difference is very small and won't be visible in images this small. The diameter of the earth is only 26 miles more measured across the equator as from pole to pole. 6. The exposure time on the camera does not change at all. So it is only set to expose for the sunlit earth. And will not be sensitive enough to pick up the stars. Not sure how clear these answers are, if you want elaboration on any give us a shout. Hope it helps anyway. Any thoughts?

I really don't want this to be happening; I considered thus: Could these Earth 'images' be high-altitude shots rendered on a concave, stretched around a ball to make it look like a globe Earth? You see, if this satellite is real and the photos ARE taken from 22,000 miles away then we all may as well forget any notion of a flat Earth. These images need to be debunked now. Please go to the youtube page (title above) and go to http://www.jma-net.go.jp/msc/en/index.html AND http://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this proof that the Earth is indeed a ball? Or is this just more imagery-fakery to put us all off the scent?

Shaun

Good cgi work. as a result, the technology is developing. so fake cgi'es more beautiful can be produced.

But they are not still perfect. ;)

Come to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6ijGjm8jw

Come to time: 12:28

(http://i.imgsafe.org/5e9955ae64.jpg)

(http://i.imgsafe.org/5eb5d3434d.jpg)

As we understand that the producers using a cgi-spot instead of sunlight. So they are hiding the cgi-spotlight.

Result: Heavy fake. ;D
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: rabinoz on June 07, 2016, 03:04:48 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 06, 2016, 09:36:00 PM

As we understand that the producers using a cgi-spot instead of sunlight. So they are hiding the cgi-spotlight.

Result: Heavy fake. ;D
Really, I think that if it were really CGI, that the producers would be a lot smarter than you (I know you think that you are the smartest and greatest, but don't try to fool yourself!), and would be aware of these things.
It would be far easier to avoid these artifacts in CGI than in genuine images.
So take off your blinkers!

You try to prove your theory from heavily compressed mpeg (or worse) images. There are compression artifacts all over that.

If you want to prove your point start with original uncompressed images directly from Himawari Satellite Imagery (http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/). There you select any parameters you like, but don't waste your and our time with images that have been severely degraded.
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Himawari%202016.04.26%2003.30UTC_zpstksv5rlj.png)
Himawari 2016.04.26 03.30 UTC
I don't think you'll get artifacts in these, but what happens when the sun shines into the camera I do not know - that could give lens flare.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 08:35:24 AM: Look how is the center of "cgi image" perfect and how is the edges are nonsences as a 5 years old child drawn!

To believe this nonsence as a true requered to be an idiot, but there is no idiot here, be sure that. oppositely the writers here are much smarter more than requered. * (not irony)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/68701ca656.png)

RESULT: Heavy Fake !!
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: rabinoz on June 07, 2016, 10:46:39 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Look how is the center of "cgi image" perfect and how is the edges are nonsences as a 5 years old child drawn!

To believe this nonsence as a true requered to be an idiot, but there is no idiot here, be sure that. oppositely the writers here are much smarter more than requered. * (not irony)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/68701ca656.png)

RESULT: Heavy Fake !!
Go and see my answer to your other post, because you are completely wrong!
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 01:00:47 PM: Quote from: rabinoz on June 07, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Look how is the center of "cgi image" perfect and how is the edges are nonsences as a 5 years old child drawn!

To believe this nonsence as a true requered to be an idiot, but there is no idiot here, be sure that. oppositely the writers here are much smarter more than requered. * (not irony)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/68701ca656.png)

RESULT: Heavy Fake !!
Go and see my answer to your other post, because you are completely wrong!

As everytime you were tried to defend the lies aimlessly.

This is 670x670 moon photo from earth. look how is the edge is perfect!

(http://www.geekykool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/March-19-2011-Super-Moon.jpg)

Zoom to image and see how is perfect! This photo is real !!

The upside photo is real but that ptoho is fake under this line.

(http://www.fotonotlari.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ay-fotograflari-nasil-cekilir-800x800.jpg)

This is a 800x800 moon photo is fake like yours. Look the edge is how wrong. same wrong. This photo is fake too.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: andruszkow on June 07, 2016, 06:09:47 PM: Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on June 07, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Look how is the center of "cgi image" perfect and how is the edges are nonsences as a 5 years old child drawn!

To believe this nonsence as a true requered to be an idiot, but there is no idiot here, be sure that. oppositely the writers here are much smarter more than requered. * (not irony)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/68701ca656.png)

RESULT: Heavy Fake !!
Go and see my answer to your other post, because you are completely wrong!

As everytime you were tried to defend the lies aimlessly.

This is 670x670 moon photo from earth. look how is the edge is perfect!

(http://www.geekykool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/March-19-2011-Super-Moon.jpg)

Zoom to image and see how is perfect! This photo is real !!

The upside photo is real but that ptoho is fake under this line.

(http://www.fotonotlari.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ay-fotograflari-nasil-cekilir-800x800.jpg)

This is a 800x800 moon photo is fake like yours. Look the edge is how wrong. same wrong. This photo is fake too.
Wow, that's a new. Claiming space flight is a hoax by providing an image of the far side of the moon saying is clearly a real photo.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 09:09:17 PM: I said looking at the edges. when we look to the other side of it should mean the picture is fake too.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: rabinoz on June 08, 2016, 01:39:54 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on June 07, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Look how is the center of "cgi image" perfect and how is the edges are nonsences as a 5 years old child drawn!

To believe this nonsence as a true requered to be an idiot, but there is no idiot here, be sure that. oppositely the writers here are much smarter more than requered. * (not irony)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/68701ca656.png)

RESULT: Heavy Fake !!
Go and see my answer to your other post, because you are completely wrong!

As everytime you were tried to defend the lies aimlessly.

This is 670x670 moon photo from earth. look how is the edge is perfect!

(http://www.geekykool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/March-19-2011-Super-Moon.jpg)

Zoom to image and see how is perfect! This photo is real !!

The upside photo is real but that ptoho is fake under this line.

(http://www.fotonotlari.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ay-fotograflari-nasil-cekilir-800x800.jpg)

This is a 800x800 moon photo is fake like yours. Look the edge is how wrong. same wrong. This photo is fake too.

That photo of the moon you called a fake is from Ay Fotoğrafları Nasıl Çekilir? (http://www.fotonotlari.com/ay-fotograflari-nasil-cekilir/#) You should be able to follow that easily, since it is in Turkish!

Now please tell me why would anyone from Turkey fake a photo of the moon that any with an astronomical telescope can take.

Please now go and learn a bit more about detecting fake photographs because at present you do not know what you are doing!
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 08, 2016, 06:20:27 AM: Virus alert The site of "Ay Fotoğrafları Nasıl Çekilir?" is a spam site that want to try to get my information probably created by NASA agents.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: rabinoz on June 08, 2016, 01:05:53 PM: Quote from: İntikam on June 08, 2016, 06:20:27 AM
Virus alert The site of "Ay Fotoğrafları Nasıl Çekilir?" is a spam site that want to try to get my information probably created by NASA agents.
Oh, rubbish! The site looks fine on Windows 10 on my computer. To you everything is created by NASA agents.
Do you have nightmares about NASA agents invading you house or sometime?

Look, NASA and satellite surveillance is probably proving very useful in the fight against ISIS!
We are against ISIS as you are, so stop you stupid conspiracy ideas, there is no "NASA" conspiracy! There undoubtedly.

On the matter of Islamist extremists (ISIS, Boko Haram and other similar groups) we probably think very much alike. Those groups are doing much to damage Islam in the West, as many Westerners find it hard to separate them.

I wish you could just see that while we certainly have differences, there really should be a lot we can agree on. In our country we would say "get the chip off your shoulder!" Look up what it means.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 08, 2016, 01:35:09 PM: Quote from: rabinoz on June 08, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: İntikam on June 08, 2016, 06:20:27 AM
Virus alert The site of "Ay Fotoğrafları Nasıl Çekilir?" is a spam site that want to try to get my information probably created by NASA agents.
Oh, rubbish! The site looks fine on Windows 10 on my computer. To you everything is created by NASA agents.
Do you have nightmares about NASA agents invading you house or sometime?

Look, NASA and satellite surveillance is probably proving very useful in the fight against ISIS!
We are against ISIS as you are, so stop you stupid conspiracy ideas, there is no "NASA" conspiracy! There undoubtedly.

On the matter of Islamist extremists (ISIS, Boko Haram and other similar groups) we probably think very much alike. Those groups are doing much to damage Islam in the West, as many Westerners find it hard to separate them.

I wish you could just see that while we certainly have differences, there really should be a lot we can agree on. In our country we would say "get the chip off your shoulder!" Look up what it means.

Who talked about ISIS and boko haram here?

I think you support them like NASA. you're making a personal attack to change the subject. As you very well know that i'm thinking NASA, ISIS, al qaida, Boko haram and all terrorist organisations are same. According to me NASA is a terrorist organisation like ISIS or al qaida. But this is not our matter.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rounder on June 09, 2016, 05:38:52 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
This is 670x670 moon photo from earth. look how is the edge is perfect!

(http://www.geekykool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/March-19-2011-Super-Moon.jpg)

Zoom to image and see how is perfect! This photo is real !!

You're going to call that photo real, when there is an obvious line down the middle of the moon where two different images were joined? Look at the large crater about 1/3 of the way from the bottom to the middle (Crater Leibnitz, by the way, name determined from this map (http://the-moon.wikispaces.com/Maurice+Collins%27+Farside+Map)) the splicing of left and right halves it impossible to miss! And almost dead center there is a sub-crater within Lipskiy that appears twice!

Don't jump to defend it, because I actually agree with your assessment of this photo (while disagreeing with your claims that the others are fake). I just find it amusing that the photo you chose to represent 'real' photos is in fact a real COMPOSITE photo. And as andruszkow pointed out, you are wrong about 'taken from earth' as it actually comes from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/lro-farside.html), operated by, of course, NASA!
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 09, 2016, 01:47:51 PM: Quote from: Rounder on June 09, 2016, 05:38:52 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 07, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
This is 670x670 moon photo from earth. look how is the edge is perfect!

(http://www.geekykool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/March-19-2011-Super-Moon.jpg)

Zoom to image and see how is perfect! This photo is real !!

You're going to call that photo real, when there is an obvious line down the middle of the moon where two different images were joined? Look at the large crater about 1/3 of the way from the bottom to the middle (Crater Leibnitz, by the way, name determined from this map (http://the-moon.wikispaces.com/Maurice+Collins%27+Farside+Map)) the splicing of left and right halves it impossible to miss! And almost dead center there is a sub-crater within Lipskiy that appears twice!

Don't jump to defend it, because I actually agree with your assessment of this photo (while disagreeing with your claims that the others are fake). I just find it amusing that the photo you chose to represent 'real' photos is in fact a real COMPOSITE photo. And as andruszkow pointed out, you are wrong about 'taken from earth' as it actually comes from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/lro-farside.html), operated by, of course, NASA!

I gave it an example to show the falses on the edges. This picture is better than the other one. But if we look the inside of the picture then we see this picture is fake too. But i just looked at the edges.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 10, 2016, 03:57:44 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 09, 2016, 01:47:51 PM
I gave it an example to show the falses on the edges. This picture is better than the other one. But if we look the inside of the picture then we see this picture is fake too. But i just looked at the edges.

It has been stated numerous times: the jagged edges is just an aliasing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing) effect. This is completely normal in digital photography.

How many times are you going to ignore this fact?
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: andruszkow on June 10, 2016, 12:11:51 PM: Quote from: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
I started a list of ignore who answered instead of somebody other.

If you see your name on my signature, be sure i don't see your post and i don't care about it.

Wait, you're starting to ignore people who don't agree with you?

It's going to be a relief to not be reading your nonsense anymore to be honest. :) Thanks for reminding me that there's an ignore function.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 12:34:46 PM: Quote from: andruszkow on June 10, 2016, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
I started a list of ignore who answered instead of somebody other.

If you see your name on my signature, be sure i don't see your post and i don't care about it.

Wait, you're starting to ignore people who don't agree with you?

It's going to be a relief to not be reading your nonsense anymore to be honest. :) Thanks for reminding me that there's an ignore function.

I said i'm ignoring people who is answering instead of somebody other.

For example now you asked me and i answered you. After that post if somebody answer this post instead of you, -that we are waiting for you answer this post- then i ignore who answer it.

I mentioned being principled but as i see that most of rounders don't care that idea. therefore I take my own precautions.

Probably you'll be added the list next a few times like other your colleague but yet it's not requered.

Sorry about this message, you are ignored like other your friends. Good bye.

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3475.msg98383#msg98383
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 10, 2016, 01:08:29 PM: Ah, the head-buried-in-sand approach. Classic.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: andruszkow on June 10, 2016, 01:12:31 PM: Quote from: TotesNotReptilian on June 10, 2016, 01:08:29 PM
Ah, the head-buried-in-sand approach. Classic.

Exactly, including the lack of comprehension making the OP divert from his own topic.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Unsure101 on June 10, 2016, 02:04:26 PM: Quote from: andruszkow on June 10, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: TotesNotReptilian on June 10, 2016, 01:08:29 PM
Ah, the head-buried-in-sand approach. Classic.

Exactly, including the lack of comprehension making the OP divert from his own topic.
You can't argue with stupid. Every time I come here I feel my brain melting at the total ignorance of the FEs and their absolute denial of the obvious.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: Rounder on June 11, 2016, 04:28:27 AM: Quote from: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
I started a list of ignore who answered instead of somebody other.

If you see your name on my signature, be sure i don't see your post and i don't care about it.

Woo hoo!! I made the 'ignore list'!
I seem to be in pretty good company there, we should have tee-shirts made or something.
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: rabinoz on June 11, 2016, 10:16:18 PM: Quote from: Rounder on June 11, 2016, 04:28:27 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
I started a list of ignore who answered instead of somebody other.

If you see your name on my signature, be sure i don't see your post and i don't care about it.

Woo hoo!! I made the 'ignore list'!
I seem to be in pretty good company there, we should have tee-shirts made or something.
Looks like I'm one up on you, I think I got there first - do I get the gold star?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__RtXdUdM9G8/SwmqUIpaVLI/AAAAAAAAATA/wgj085Eh6LM/s320/gold_star_9.gif)
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/RAB%20In%20OZ_zpsank0iwrw.png)

Maybe if İntikam is going to ignore comments from anyone thinks differently to him (like 99.9% of the globe's population) he should stick to the Believer's forum - or doesn't THIS site have one?
Title: Re: Himawari-8
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 12, 2016, 03:30:01 AM: Quote from: Rounder on June 11, 2016, 04:28:27 AM
Quote from: İntikam on June 10, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
I started a list of ignore who answered instead of somebody other.

If you see your name on my signature, be sure i don't see your post and i don't care about it.

Woo hoo!! I made the 'ignore list'!
I seem to be in pretty good company there, we should have tee-shirts made or something.

We can start a club. I vote for the name "The Anti-Inti Stealth Ninjas".