What does it actually do?
They kept dev-mode in the software? Knowing it could brick the thing?What does it actually do?
It enables dev-mode on the Xbox, which if you're not an authorized dev, it more or less results in your Xbox no longer working.
They kept dev-mode in the software? Knowing it could brick the thing?
Lazy.
I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal.Because freedom of expression.
Itcausescostspeopleidiots millions of dollars of damage each year.
On the internet? Tell that to the people who get taken to court for making 'offensive' tweets.I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal.Because freedom of expression.
I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal. It causes people millions of dollars of damage each year.
On the internet? Tell that to the people who get taken to court for making 'offensive' tweets.Okay, fine. Because freedom of expression and because they can't identify the authors.
That's terrible, of course kids would fall for something like that. Why the fuck did Microsoft leave that accessible.It can be very useful to geeks, which I would imagine will be a significant demographic among xbone users. Most products leave developer mode accessible as long as you find the obscure key combination to activate it.
Really? What can you do with it?That's terrible, of course kids would fall for something like that. Why the fuck did Microsoft leave that accessible.It can be very useful to geeks, which I would imagine will be a significant demographic among xbone users. Most products leave developer mode accessible as long as you find the obscure key combination to activate it.
Really? What can you do with it?The most obvious option would be creating and publishing your own games (http://www.shacknews.com/article/80329/every-retail-xbox-one-can-become-a-dev-kit-everyone), but I'm sure sooner or later someone will get creative with it and turn their xbone into something it was never meant to be.
Developer mode is cool, but maybe disabling the console-bricking commands wouldn't hurt too much, though.But that's part of development. If I write my own program that replaces the entire contents of my hard drive with random bits and then run it, I'll "brick" my PC. That doesn't mean programming should be unavailable. It just needs to be practised sensibly.
Developer mode is cool, but maybe disabling the console-bricking commands wouldn't hurt too much, though.But that's part of development. If I write my own program that replaces the entire contents of my hard drive with random bits and then run it, I'll "brick" my PC. That doesn't mean programming should be unavailable. It just needs to be practised sensibly.
That's terrible, of course kids would fall for something like that. Why the fuck did Microsoft leave that accessible.
Completely agree, I didn't realize it was from 4chan.That's terrible, of course kids would fall for something like that. Why the fuck did Microsoft leave that accessible.
It's 4chan, if people take anything said seriously over there then they deserve the lesson.
It's also significantly easier to un-brick a PC.Depends on how badly you've bricked it. But yes, that is something consoles should work on.
It's also significantly easier to un-brick a PC.Depends on how badly you've bricked it. But yes, that is something consoles should work on.
I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal. It causes people millions of dollars of damage each year.I don't know about that. It sounds like a good way to stimulate the console repair industry.
Either way, it is an issue that is harmful to unsuspecting users, and barely useful at all to developers. If they make software resets easier to perform, then great, but I also think they should make these sorts of commands harder to access than this. Nobody would lose anything out of it.
Either way, it is an issue that is harmful to unsuspecting users, and barely useful at all to developers. If they make software resets easier to perform, then great, but I also think they should make these sorts of commands harder to access than this. Nobody would lose anything out of it.
They've already been pretty explicit that the Xbone can not play Xbox 360 games. Sometimes you just gotta deal with the fact that you can't fix stupid. If system32 exists, someone is going to find out how to get other people to delete it. There will always be little ways to trick people into bricking their stuff.
It's rarely as simple as this.
It's rarely as simple as this.
It only takes 2 command lines to brick a PC.
It's also significantly easier to un-brick a PC.
I was talking about consoles, but okay.
It's also significantly easier to un-brick a PC.
I wonder why they actually did turn off backwards compatibility. I mean, it's not like they couldn't have built an emulation layer. The damn thing's powerful enough.
I was talking about consoles, but okay.
There is no under-the-hood difference between the current gen consoles and a PC.It's also significantly easier to un-brick a PC.
This statement is all kinds of silly.
I wonder why they actually did turn off backwards compatibility. I mean, it's not like they couldn't have built an emulation layer. The damn thing's powerful enough.
*reads up on the specs of both X-Boxes*I wonder why they actually did turn off backwards compatibility. I mean, it's not like they couldn't have built an emulation layer. The damn thing's powerful enough.
Emulation is not a software issue, it's a hardware one. The original PS3 could only emulate PS2 games because they literally built a PS2 into the damn thing. The Xbone's architecture is too radically different from an Xbox 360 for proper emulation. Same goes for the PS4.
I'm pretty sure they made the Xbox One big enough to fit a couple whole 360s in there
I'd say of all the newest generation consoles, the Xbone is the best. The operating system is fluid, and intuitive, and it seems to be pretty powerful. The demo at work runs Battlefield 4 at what looks like a constant 60 FPS.
But that picture was made to mock the very attitude you use it for >:(
If this problem can't be fixed, then it looks like the people who fell for it are well and truly...Xboned.(http://cdn.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/351/618/56/csi-miami-tv-show-sunglasses-horatio-caine-040af.jpg)
PS4 is demonstrably more powerful, however. For example: running games in actual 1080p rather than 720p or upscaled 900p like the Xbox One.
PS4 is demonstrably more powerful, however. For example: running games in actual 1080p rather than 720p or upscaled 900p like the Xbox One.
Please tell me you're joking because I can't believe that the latest console from Microsoft doesn't do full HD resolution.
Display 4K, 1080p, 1080i, and 720p resolutions
You know what I mean. 720p is low HD. In meant 1080.PS4 is demonstrably more powerful, however. For example: running games in actual 1080p rather than 720p or upscaled 900p like the Xbox One.
Please tell me you're joking because I can't believe that the latest console from Microsoft doesn't do full HD resolution.QuoteDisplay 4K, 1080p, 1080i, and 720p resolutions
As a computer idiot, why can't current systems have what old computers, games, phones, etc used to have which is a little red 'return to factory settings' button on the bottom?It's technically possible but to do it you'd need to tie that button into firmware so that when pressed it loads up a ROM copy of whatever settings are changeable then writes those settings to the HDD.
Dead Rising 3 is 720p at 30 FPS with frequent drops.
Dead Rising 3 is 720p at 30 FPS with frequent drops.
Sometimes dropping to 10-12 FPS, even, which makes it worse. Not to mention like Call of Duty and Battlefield had to be lowered to 720p on Xbox One 'cause they couldn't make it run as well.
Dead Rising 3 is 720p at 30 FPS with frequent drops.
Sometimes dropping to 10-12 FPS, even, which makes it worse. Not to mention like Call of Duty and Battlefield had to be lowered to 720p on Xbox One 'cause they couldn't make it run as well.
It's because there is a dedicated portion of the hardware that just goes into making the Kinect work. If Microsoft let the games use that bit, they'd run much better. Or at least that's what I've read.
If PC got all the exclusives the consoles do, I would not buy consoles. As it is, it doesn't. :[Yes, because people buy consoles.
Yes, because people buy consoles.
It still completely blows my mind that you play Kingdom Hearts. This is the only time I'll say this but Rushy, you're adorable.
It's not because we're stupid or lazyActually, for
Steam's working on that. Although you could just walk into a store and buy an ok-ish pre-assembled PC since 1998.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's a simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.Have you considered being less lazy and stupid? It'll probably help you understand computers better.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's a simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's a simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.
I give this pasta a 6/10.
Steam's working on that. Although you could just walk into a store and buy an ok-ish pre-assembled PC since 1998.
Steam's working on that. Although you could just walk into a store and buy an ok-ish pre-assembled PC since 1998.
This. I know Windows is a hassle to get working right, but Steam works out of the box on Debian (and probably other major modern Linux distributions, too) on supported hardware. There are vendors that sell computers with Debian pre-installed too, if you'd care to take the time to look for one, and they'll select good hardware for you. You could even ask one of those "enthusiasts" who knows their shit if the computer you're about to buy is actually any good before you spend the money.
Then, guess what? You just bought a console that can both run any game on Steam for Linux, and function as a general-purpose computer. Simple.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's a simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.
Secondly, I prefer games to be something I can share with people around me (Flatmates, partners, family, friends, parties) and you can't really do that with PC games. It's why the Gamecube was my favourite of the last-gen consoles - you could stick four controllers in and have a great time with Mario Kart, Smash Bros, FPSs, etc.
Sure, it'll cost more than a console, but the games cost a lot less
Very few games require you to actually build a powerful PCQFT. I play games on a shitty laptop because I keep spending money on things that aren't a better computer. Despite the common view that shitty laptops can't run games, they can. You just need to turn them graphics sliders down a bit (don't worry, it'll still look better than xbone).
This is inaccurate.Steam's working on that. Although you could just walk into a store and buy an ok-ish pre-assembled PC since 1998.
This. I know Windows is a hassle to get working right, but Steam works out of the box on Debian (and probably other major modern Linux distributions, too) on supported hardware. There are vendors that sell computers with Debian pre-installed too, if you'd care to take the time to look for one, and they'll select good hardware for you. You could even ask one of those "enthusiasts" who knows their shit if the computer you're about to buy is actually any good before you spend the money.
Then, guess what? You just bought a console that can both run any game on Steam for Linux, and function as a general-purpose computer. Simple.
This. I know Windows is a hassle to get working right, but Steam works out of the box on Debian [...]This is inaccurate. [...]
I'm sorry, I guess my out of the box Debian install just didn't count, did it?This. I know Windows is a hassle to get working right, but Steam works out of the box on Debian [...]This is inaccurate. [...](http://i.omgomg.eu/parsimation)
I'm sorry, I guess my out of the box Debian install just didn't count, did it?Parsifal's idea of "out of the box" is just very different from that of us mere mortals.
I'm sorry, I guess my out of the box Debian install just didn't count, did it?Parsifal's idea of "out of the box" is just very different from that of us mere mortals.
This is inaccurate.
You mean the one that only exists in the testing repository?This is inaccurate.
You chose not to use Debian's package of Steam. If you're not going to install things the way your distribution has packaged them to work with itself, you are far more likely to run into problems.
You mean the one that only exists in the testing repository?
So if I were to install the stable version, steam wouldn't work out of the box. Got it.You mean the one that only exists in the testing repository?
Yes.
So if I were to install the stable version, steam wouldn't work out of the box. Got it.
I'm not verifiable certain, but I'm pretty sure Windows doesn't let you cut/paste system32. As far as I know, only an admin-enabled line input from powershell can force its deletion.
Incorrect. I deleted system32 from Linux five years ago, and haven't looked back since.
In reality, this would overwrite all of your hard drive with random data.
Fucking up your HD is not as bad as bricking your Xbox. Unless you have a lot of unbacked up data you need.
Unless you have a lot of unbacked up data you need.Which most people dumb enough to believe this crap will probably have.
Fucking up your HD is not as bad as bricking your Xbox.I disagree. Your HDD is likely to have stuff that's *actually* important. Xbone is for video games and watching shitty movies.
I had to share this:YOU CAN STILL USE YOUR LOGIN ON THE OLD CONSOLE OMG
http://blog.games.com/2013/11/26/3/
The Xbone is better because Kinect and gamerscore.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's as simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.
It still completely blows my mind that you play Kingdom Hearts. This is the only time I'll say this but Rushy, you're adorable.
I'm not a PC gamer because I'm not a computer expert. It's as simple as that. If assembling, modifying, and customizing computers came as easily to me as it apparently does to all the enthusiasts on the Internet, then I'd probably become one too. You can say it's "easy" or "obvious" all you want, but it's not to me. And I'm not alone. Like it or not, the vast majority of people don't understand computers well enough to become a competent PC gamer. It's not because we're stupid or lazy, or because we're all strictly "casual" gamers, it's because we have different interests, different strengths and weaknesses, etc. People are like that. Consoles are popular because they don't require that level of investment and technical expertise. And alas, the PC gaming community will most likely never understand this, and will therefore never understand why the rest of the gaming community sees them as arrogant pricks.
To all those who said hefty dev stuff should be more securely kept away in xbones, I present this:
(http://blog.escanav.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2.png)
In reality, this would overwrite all of your hard drive with random data. What should we do in that case. Disallow the operating system from writing to the hard drive?
It's really impossible to stop people from shooting themselves in the foot. They'll always find a way. The key to solving this is education.
I think posting deliberately destructive code like this should be a criminal offense. It costs people time and money. And I don't mean a kid reposting it on 4chan. I mean they should hunt down the original author and look to give them 15 years in prison. If you total up all the damage that is done by all the reposting of this ... it going to be a lot of money. It is a serious crime and the NSA and GCHQ should put energy into finding people like this to prosecute.
I have no doubt that was written by a white American aged between 17-25.I think posting deliberately destructive code like this should be a criminal offense. It costs people time and money. And I don't mean a kid reposting it on 4chan. I mean they should hunt down the original author and look to give them 15 years in prison. If you total up all the damage that is done by all the reposting of this ... it going to be a lot of money. It is a serious crime and the NSA and GCHQ should put energy into finding people like this to prosecute.
How do you propose that the original author be hunted down? And, were the NSA to hunt down said person, it is likely they would be Russian or Chinese. What would we do? Request an extradition that will be completely ignored? Invade?
In computer security, defense is everything. Concentrating on eliminating offense oriented malware is a waste of time.