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Arts & Entertainment / 2022 Six Nations Championship
« on: Today at 03:43:03 PM »
The Six Nations kicks off next week in Dublin, with Ireland v Wales. I will, of course, be supporting Ireland. Wikipedia has the full list of matches, but for next week, we have:
  • February 05, 2022, 02:15:00 PM — Ireland–Wales (Dublin)
  • February 05, 2022, 04:45:00 PM — Scotland–England (Edinburgh)
  • February 06, 2022, 03:00:00 PM — France–Italy (Saint-Denis)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 24, 2022, 12:56:03 PM »
Lol. Have you tried asking him?
I'll take "no" for $100, Alex.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 06:26:46 PM »
If you've moved the goalposts so far from the OP that I've now no idea what you are talking about, that's you running away, not me.
No. I asked you a direct question that you are refusing to answer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 06:10:04 PM »
I don't think any teachers should talk to children about gay relationships.
That wasn't the topic of conversation you're responding to, but I assume you know that and just don't want to answer my question, so I'll chalk this up as another running-away thread.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:59:23 PM »
Wait a second. Do you mean to tell me that you believe a 40-year-old man explaining homosexuality to children is placing them at higher risk than a 40-year-old man explaining heterosexuality to children?
Yes. Heterosexual men are less likely to commit sex crimes per capita.
I'm sorry, what? How is the sexual orientation of the teacher remotely relevant? Do you think it's impossible for a straight teacher to talk about gay sex, or vice versa?

Truly wonderful, the mind of a Thork is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:29:27 PM »
This is the world that exists.

You already posted that image. Do you want me to point out that you have provided no source or methodology for a second time?

Until it doesn't ... let's not place children in high risk scenarios unnecessarily.
Wait a second. Do you mean to tell me that you believe a 40-year-old man explaining homosexuality to children is placing them at higher risk than a 40-year-old man explaining heterosexuality to children?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:15:12 PM »
But why then would you want to have a 40 year old man talk to your child about homosexuality?
Because education is about teaching children about the world that exists, not the world Thork would like to exist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 04:18:26 PM »
A natural family just happens. To make a gay family, you have to muck about with the natural order of things.
Sounds great! Then there's no need to restrict conversations about gay families to over-18s, because a "natural family" will just happen anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 02:51:42 PM »
Then you must have come to the same conclusion and agree with me.
No.

I'm saying I don't know where to find such data when I live in a post-truth age full of fake news and government narratives.
So you admit that your opinions aren't based on data? That's a bit better than providing irrelevant data, I suppose.

Orphans have guardians. So do children whose parents are in prison.
Yet you just said that them having guardians should be made illegal.

There is no such thing. And placing children in such situations should be utterly illegal. If you chose to be gay, it means you chose not to have a family. You shouldn't be able to acquire one at the expense of a child having a normal upbringing.
What if there are more orphans than heterosexual couples or single parents willing to adopt? Do you think it's better for a child to have no upbringing at all than a "normal" one? Is it better for a child to be adopted by an abusive heterosexual couple than a loving homosexual one? Just how far are you willing to go to stop gay people from being happy?

Absolutely not. Homosexuality should be an 18+ topic in public, just as porn is. Both are destructive to young people's perceptions of how family life should be.
No, they're destructive to your idea of how family life should be. Remember when you said this?
Society is for everyone, not just the selfish gays who want to shape the world the way they'd like it.
You can't have it both ways. If "the selfish gays" can't force their idea of family life on kids, neither can you.

I've just taught them that homosexuality is not a discussion to be had in public or in polite conversation.
Yes, exactly. But earlier you said this:
They shouldn't be taught anything.
Are you now retracting this statement?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 01:30:07 PM »
It is at least some data. I almost always provide a source or some reference. You don't. How about you come back with some data showing my data to be wrong?
I didn't say your data were wrong, but I'm glad to see your reading comprehension skills haven't changed since the last time we spoke.

I don't believe that data like that wouldn't be suppressed or manipulated by government. It is too political for them not to shape the narrative with bent data.
In other words, you won't provide data to support your case. Noted.

Why should it be anyone's job? Children have parents and guardians. People who love them. Those are the people who should provide guidance.
So you're okay with children receiving a poor education, but only orphans, children whose parents are in prison, or children of busy working parents who rarely see their kids? What about children with same-sex parents? Are you okay with them being encouraged to be gay, as you put it?

This absolutely wouldn't happen. Kids don't come out in the middle of class in front of all their friends. Should such a ridiculous and rare situation occur, you reply "You should tell your parents how you feel". Job done.
No, that is not a "job done" according to you. You have just communicated for everyone in the class that the topic is inappropriate in public. That's not teaching them nothing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:47:32 PM »
Most children who are groomed, are groomed by someone in a position of power over them. Teacher is the biggest slice of the pie. Let's not make it bigger. They are the people you need to watch.

Ignoring for a moment the fact that you have provided no source or methodology for these data, by itself this is a useless statistic. Would the overall rate of grooming increase or decrease if sex education in schools were abolished? That is the statistic you want.

And you think it should be given to them by the people most likely to sexually abuse them? How about 'no'?
I think it should be given to them by the people whose job it is to give it to them.

If you want to avoid teen pregnancies and the spread of STIs, you need to teach children how to have safe sex. They are going to have sex either way, so a responsible education system will help them to do it safely. And if you are giving children sex education, then you are implicitly teaching them what is okay and (whether through omission or condemnation) what is not. It is not possible to deliver sex education without addressing this issue.
What has any of that to do with teaching children about 'diverse relationships'?
Did you miss the word "omission" in what I said?

Correct. They should not be given the gay propaganda by teachers. I don't know why this is so unreasonable.
Imagine for a moment that you are a sex education teacher. You are teaching the syllabus of your dreams — heteronormative traditions to make the Bishop of Rome blush. A young lad timidly raises his hand and tells you he feels attracted to other boys, and asks you what to do about it.

In your fantasy world, where children are taught nothing about same-sex relations, how would you as the teacher respond?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:27:16 PM »
I'm not afraid of gays. I'm afraid that children will be groomed by some of them. Vigilance is how you prevent terrible things from happening.
And you think the way to prevent children from being groomed is not to teach them about the realities of the world, so that when they encounter someone who wants to take advantage of them they have no idea what's going on?

Just because you hope something is true, doesn't make it so.
I'm glad you concede that point.

Its almost like you took that quote out of context. Well done. That's the way to win a debate.  ::)
I see you missed the point I was making. Very well.

As soon as you teach children something, you are imparting some sort of viewpoint on them. If you teach them about English grammar, you will impart bias regarding the Oxford comma. If you teach them about history, you will impart bias regarding the moral virtues of Oliver Cromwell. If you teach them about science, you will impart bias regarding the shape of the Earth.

Now, it stands to reason that children must be given some form of sex education. If you want to avoid teen pregnancies and the spread of STIs, you need to teach children how to have safe sex. They are going to have sex either way, so a responsible education system will help them to do it safely. And if you are giving children sex education, then you are implicitly teaching them what is okay and (whether through omission or condemnation) what is not. It is not possible to deliver sex education without addressing this issue.

So, unless you are saying you want to see 14-year-old pregnancies popping up all over the country, it's not an argument about whether to teach children or not to teach children. They just aren't being taught in the way you would like.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 11:57:07 AM »
Holy shit, you’re making it sound like kids are being actively encouraged to be gay.
This is what I fear, yes.
Why are you afraid of gays?

I don't need a liberal professor to bullshit me into believing that people are born gay. It is obvious that they are not
Nothing about human development is "obvious". If we were still basing our biology knowledge on what is "obvious", we'd still be insisting that people think with their hearts. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's quite another to assert that your made-up garbage is obviously correct.

Of course. Being gay sucks. Lesbians have to put up with no children and lesbian bed death.
As opposed to all the healthy sex you're having, you mean?

They shouldn't be taught anything.
I don't think that's really what you meant to say.

Society is for everyone, not just the selfish gays who want to shape the world the way they'd like it.
He said, without a hint of irony.

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I don't get the controversy. Even the article linked in the OP points out that what he meant to say was Americans as a whole (that is, African-Americans included).

So a public figure chose his words poorly in front of a microphone. If you're going to make a thread every time that happens, please let me know so I can give the server more disk space.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Great Reset: Aftermath
« on: January 19, 2022, 10:49:27 AM »
The real way to go is to not have a nation of people so poorly educated that you have to resort to using "bish, bash, bosh" as your main means of communication, but that's gonna take a while.
But if Boris did that, he'd be putting himself out of a job.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The workings of European democracy
« on: January 18, 2022, 12:11:41 PM »
Following David Sassoli's passing, Roberta Metsola has been elected President of the European Parliament. This was due to happen anyway because EP Presidents serve 2½-year terms. Metsola's term will run until the next EP elections in 2024.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 16, 2022, 09:45:47 PM »
although Omicron is admittedly much milder than the original (and still the best) Covid, which is part of the reason why we aren’t all in lockdown now like we were this time last year.
They're loosening up restrictions here too, despite the fact that cases are on the rise, because hospitalisations and deaths are going down. Another nail in the coffin for the "it's about control" conspiracy brigade.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 14, 2022, 03:49:46 PM »
I assume you’ll wait until the Wikipedia page is created.
That's a bit unfair. He could just as well get the information from RT or the Express.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 14, 2022, 12:50:41 PM »
There hasn’t been flip flopping at all, just some administrative incompetence.
This is the entire story of Australia's existence as a nation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 14, 2022, 09:10:30 AM »
Ironically a parliamentary system is what we might be headed to in practice.

The delegates elect a president, the general election is really just a suggestion.  It's easy to picture republican controlled states just saying fuck it, we're appointing delegates that vote for our guy no matter what.
That's not really a parliamentary system. A parliamentary system would be one in which the leader of the US is not only elected by Congress, but subject to congressional approval throughout their tenure. This provides, in healthy democracies, a way for the leadership to be indirectly accountable to the electorate (via their elected representatives) at all times, not just on election day. Of course, this would not by itself make a huge difference in the US because of the existing extreme polarisation, but I think the blame for that polarisation rests at least in part with the existing presidential system.

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