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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« on: October 28, 2021, 05:49:11 PM »

Incorrect - https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

Aw, that's a bit cute!

How would you sail from Indonesia to Ecuador?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Investigating the shape by direct measurement
« on: October 22, 2020, 10:38:43 PM »
It's difficult to find direct demonstration for anything related to this. The best I can tell you is that there are two FE theories.

Monopole Model -

Traditional Flat Earth model. The lines of longitude diverge in the South greater than assumed. It would mean that the content linked on this page would need to be true:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Distances_in_the_South

Bi-Polar Model -

The lines of longitude do converge together in the South:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

So there are two theories.

Any one of them matches any observations?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Circumnavigation
« on: February 14, 2018, 09:36:26 PM »
Has there been any proof of North South Circumnavigation yet ? Whether on a boat or a plane ?

Circumnavigation based on my research has always been going West or going East.

The first surface circumnavigation via both the geographical Poles was achieved by Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton (both UK) of the British Trans-Globe Expedition. They travelled south from Greenwich, London, UK on 2 September 1979, crossed the South Pole on 15 December 1980, the North Pole on 10 April 1982, and returned to Greenwich on 29 August 1982 after a 56,000 km (35,000 mile) journey.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Disproof of FE via calculating height of the sun
« on: September 07, 2017, 07:14:48 PM »
Let's cut our distance in half, going from 3000 miles away and a 45° angle, to 1500 miles away, and a 67.5° angle. This gives us a sun height of... 3621 miles. Oh. Well that's quite a bit different isn't it? Well how about if we go the other direction. Halfway from 45° to 0°, giving us an angle of 22.5° and a distance of 4500 miles. This gives us a sun height of.... 1864 miles. Oh dear, that's even more out of whack than our first one.

Who went out and made those observations of where the sun is at those latitudes on that day?

We can collectively make observations;
No one else observed the sun's elevation at the solstice?

The geometry is quite interesting. I'm about 77.25° North of the Tropic of Capricorn. Each degree is 60 Nautical miles which works out that I'm 5334 miles North of the Tropic of Capricorn. Using trigonometry to calculate the vertical height of the sun above the Tropic on a flat plane, 5334*tan(13) = 1234. That doesn't fit with a 3000 mile height of the sun above a flat plane.
The 13° elevation does fit with the 77° angle between the Tropic and my location on a globe with a far distant sun (ok, I might have been 1/4 of a degree off in my measurement of the sun's elevation)

Autumn Equinox in a couple of weeks, who's up for measuring the elevation angle of the sun at their local noon (adjusting for daylight saving time) and posting the angle and their latitude?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Suns Position on 12/12/16
« on: December 28, 2016, 06:24:44 PM »
No one else observed the sun's elevation at the solstice?

The geometry is quite interesting. I'm about 77.25° North of the Tropic of Capricorn. Each degree is 60 Nautical miles which works out that I'm 5334 miles North of the Tropic of Capricorn. Using trigonometry to calculate the vertical height of the sun above the Tropic on a flat plane, 5334*tan(13) = 1234. That doesn't fit with a 3000 mile height of the sun above a flat plane.
The 13° elevation does fit with the 77° angle between the Tropic and my location on a globe with a far distant sun (ok, I might have been 1/4 of a degree off in my measurement of the sun's elevation)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Suns Position on 12/12/16
« on: December 21, 2016, 12:32:20 PM »
Cloudy and raining here today but managed to get a sighting yesterday.

I'm at 53 degrees, 45min North and the sun was at an elevation of 13 degrees at local noon.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Mathematical calculations
« on: December 18, 2016, 06:41:28 PM »
These pictures of Sun Beams don't prove anything.

You could just as easily estimate the apparent angle between these rails and calculate how far away the next station is;

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Going Around the Globe
« on: December 18, 2016, 06:26:12 PM »
I'm not sure how to plot a course exactly. I suspect it could be done but the distances probably wouldn't match reality. I don't know what the explanation for that is. Also, in the bipolar map I suspect you would get a complicated set of points of longitude/latitude that don't match reality. If you plot the course on the Globe map I will use your example as a pattern and try it on one or both of the flat earth models.
The simplest course is a Rhumb Line course. That is a course of a constant compass heading.
If I take a standard Mercator Projection chart which has parallel lines of Latitude and Longitude, draw a straight line from start to destination and measure the angle the line makes to the lines of Longitude. Adjusting this angle for compass variation (because the magnetic pole isn't located at the geographic pole) will result in the course to steer.
This is fairly easy for Sydney to Valparaiso, the course to steer is close to due East, they're both about 33° South and there's little change in Latitude for the duration of the voyage.

A Great Circle course which is the shortest route between Sydney and Valparaiso would take you down to 54° South.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Going Around the Globe
« on: December 15, 2016, 04:32:42 PM »
Most common FE map:

Another model:

Even more useless than the one above.

Using any of your maps, let's see you plot a course that'll take you from Sydney to Santiago (or it's nearest port Valparaiso)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Suns Position on 12/12/16
« on: December 13, 2016, 12:34:49 PM »
What latitude ring is the sun orbiting on 12/12/16?
This is from a very much Globe Earth site NOAA ESRL, Solar Position Calculator.
It is a "fiddly" to use for this purpose, but I think you will find that
on 12/Dec/16, the sun was directly over Lat 23.13°S and
on 21/Dec/16, the sun will be directly over Lat 23.44°S, that is, the Tropic of Capricorn.
But the answers from the Flat Earth calculations would I imagine lead to the same result.

Hey, lets all post observations of the sun's elevation at our local noon's on the 21st December. We could include the latitude at which the observation was taken and post the results as answers to this thread.
The results and the conclusions people draw from them could be "interesting".

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Flat Earth Theory / Sun Dogs and You.
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:03:46 PM »

This isn't a photographic error. It is a reflection from the firmament that can be seen with the naked eye.

This isn't a reflection off your firmament, it's a refraction through ice crystals commonly known as "Sun Dogs" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dogs

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Gullibility of the public
« on: February 01, 2016, 11:34:59 PM »

Quote
During an interview on BBC Radio 2, on the morning of April 1, 1976, the British astronomer Patrick Moore announced that an extraordinary astronomical event was about to occur.

At 9:47, Moore declared, "Jump now!" A minute passed, and then the BBC switchboard lit up with dozens of people calling in to report that the experiment had worked!

Is it a wonder the general public will believe anything they are told?

The "dozens of people" that fell for this April Fool joke were probably the flatties and other conspiracy theory believers.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Zetetic method VS scientific method. A forum game.
« on: February 01, 2016, 10:45:47 PM »
Zetetic method: Can't produce a working map.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hey. Im new to FE can you help me out? :)
« on: January 31, 2016, 12:30:28 AM »
Why is the centre and outside of the map cold? Is it something to do with how the sun heats or unrelated?
Yep. Look at the path of the sun.

Have you not noticed that the moon rises almost an hour later each day? This cartoon shows the sun and moon in constant opposition.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Grid Referencing system that all Navigation systems use
« on: January 17, 2016, 11:16:33 PM »
I take it you've never used a map/chart for navigation. Plotting a course and steering the same.
Following roads while driving a car isn't the same as trying to navigate across the sea.

The property of the Mercator projection map that made it useful to navigators is that it preserves angles. Lines of constant compass heading (called rhumb lines by sailors) are straight lines on this map. Say you're in Vancouver and want to get to Honolulu, Hawaii. You don't have GPS, just a compass.

Just draw a straight line on the map between where you are and where you want to go, and measure the angle (almost exactly 45 degrees in this case). So (after a small detour around Vancouver Island) you head southwest, and off you go. If you keep heading in this direction, you ought to get there.

As you point out, the distortion in the far north and the far south makes things a bit awkward but the arctic ice-cap and the antarctic continent make sailing a bit difficult.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Do other planets exist?
« on: January 16, 2016, 07:14:48 PM »

Do other planets like Mercury, Venus, Mars, etc. exist? And if so, are they also flat?

http://wiki.tfes.org/Planets

And the wiki contains such prime examples of hand-wavery;
Quote
Rotundity

Q. If the planets are round, why isn't the earth?
A. The earth is not a planet.

Size and Magnitude

Q. How big are the planets in the FE model?
A. Pretty small.

Solar System

Q. What does the Solar System look like in FET?
A. In FET the planets are revolving around the sun, while the sun itself revolves around the Northern Hub.

Q. Why do planets retrograde in the sky?

A. Retrograde motion occurs from the fact that the planets are revolving around the sun while the sun itself moves around the hub of the earth. This particular path the planets take makes it appear as if several of them make a loop along their journeys across the night sky.

Please note that the planets are moving very slowly around the sun and would not retrograde several times a day as might be implied by the above diagram. The diagram is for illustration purposes only. Several retrogrades a year would be more appropriate, depending on the planet.
The retrograde happens very slowly in the night sky, over a long period of time.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question about the dome
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:57:40 AM »
You are asking questions that require imagination.  We are all acknowledging that nobody knows for certain.
.

For certain, we are not on a globe.

Jus saying..

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: satellites
« on: January 01, 2016, 12:55:25 PM »
Hello!

I am new to this forum. I searched for the word satellite first and had no hits, so if there is already a thread in this, please excuse me.

My question or should I say observation is:

1)  We all know there are satellites in space for communication, military, weather...
2)  There is supposed to be space junk or debris

Then, why don't we see them in pictures or videos?

Like this Iridium flare

They're so predictable, even you can see them yourself
http://www.heavens-above.com/IridiumFlares.aspx

Keep watching the sky...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Motion of the Moon
« on: December 23, 2015, 02:22:02 PM »
Is there a flat Earth diagram that explain the Moon's motion around the flat Earth with it's inclination to the equator, changing size each month, moving different speeds with the Sun and relations of it's phase with it's position relative to the Sun?
Are you expecting the motion of the moon to be regular and or predictable?
It's regular and predictable enough for next year's tide tables to be published now and yet still be accurate all through next year.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why ship masts appear to sink over the horizon
« on: December 12, 2015, 01:06:33 PM »
The known height of lighthouses and the height of an observer is also used to determine the distance between the two when the light first becomes visible above the horizon;