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Title: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 19, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
Which one of you Bernie Bros is Bernie 2020 Field Organizer, Kyle Jurek? Run America! Run!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PWDNkLliE

“There’s a reason Joseph Stalin had Gulags, right? And actually, Gulags are a lot better than what the CIA has told us they were…”

“…So, that, that was the intention, of Gulags, right? not only to elim- like, remove, like people where were like insidious to the state from the state, right? Like “hey, you guys are all causing problems, you’re like, working against the revolution; we’re just going to remove you and put you in Siberia, where you learn the f*cking value of like being a comrade.” Like, and that’s what it has to be. Like our prisons, in the United States right now, are far worse. Far worse than anything that they experienced in a f*cking Gulag. Like people get raped. People get f*cking, work 12 hours a day. People have to go fight fires in California for a dollar. You know what I mean? That’s f*cked up. that’s super f*cked up. Soviet Union didn’t do that sh*t.”

“Yeah, you’re not gonna get Bernie to say “Gulags” but like, I’m all aboard for Gulags, like, I feel there needs to re-education for a significant portion of our society…I mean, but running for president in the United States you can’t say anything like that right?”

“…Putting them up against a wall. I mean the alternative, instead of trying to like…re-educate these people and put them back into society the only option is, the only other alternative is to f*cking *makes shooting gesture/noise* you know what I mean?”
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 20, 2020, 08:26:53 AM
Please can you supplement the OP with some information, and an actual subject you'd like to discuss?
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 20, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
Sure. I'll try to do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 21, 2020, 06:51:39 AM
Please can you supplement the OP with some information, and an actual subject you'd like to discuss?
OP updated as requested.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: honk on January 21, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
So basically, James O'Keefe recorded some random-ass employee of Bernie's campaign saying stupid shit, much to the jubilation of right-wing media across the Internet. Shut it down, Bernie, you're in disgrace.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 22, 2020, 12:18:23 AM
Well he's a Bernie 2020 Field Organizer, not really some random ass employee. And if you listened he says there are a bunch of people in their campaign who feel the same. Bernie himself is a fan of communism and has been to the Soviet Union partying with like minded individuals. 
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: honk on January 23, 2020, 12:57:56 AM
Every campaign has hundreds of field organizers. There's nothing suggesting that this guy is at all especially important or influential, and I don't see him as a credible source for his claim that his beliefs are widespread among the campaign. I'm embarrassed for O'Keefe that he's trying to present this as as some kind of takedown of Bernie.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: crutonius on January 23, 2020, 01:06:10 AM
Every campaign has hundreds of field organizers. There's nothing suggesting that this guy is at all especially important or influential, and I don't see him as a credible source for his claim that his beliefs are widespread among the campaign. I'm embarrassed for O'Keefe that he's trying to present this as as some kind of takedown of Bernie.

This is Project Veritas.  It's pretty much par for the course.

I am a bit disappointed though.  This isn't nearly as good as the Elizabeth Warren sex scandal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/far-right-conspiracy-theorist-tried-smear-elizabeth-warren-her-response-n1062211

Go Cougars!
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 23, 2020, 01:08:05 AM
Every campaign has hundreds of field organizers. There's nothing suggesting that this guy is at all especially important or influential, and I don't see him as a credible source for his claim that his beliefs are widespread among the campaign. I'm embarrassed for O'Keefe that he's trying to present this as as some kind of takedown of Bernie.

Well I presented it like that, so you can be embarrassed for me if you like. Did O'Keefe present this as as some kind of take down or simply report what he'd heard?

While this persons views were a little more radical than your average "Bernie Bro" I have found his sentiments to be more widespread than you have by all appearances.

Tell me this, IF you thought this guy was especially important or influential would you be bothered by it or just shrug and say, "Well at least we'll all be equal and that's more important than anything"?
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 23, 2020, 03:39:05 AM
This is Project Veritas.  It's pretty much par for the course.
Yeah, I've heard CNN and NBC don't have much good to say about Project Veritas. So probably best to follow their lead. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: junker on January 23, 2020, 04:24:27 AM
Kyle is unironically correct in this instance.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 23, 2020, 04:31:44 AM
“…So, that, that was the intention, of Gulags, right? not only to elim- like, remove, like people where were like insidious to the state from the state, right? Like “hey, you guys are all causing problems, you’re like, working against the revolution; we’re just going to remove you and put you in Siberia, where you learn the f*cking value of like being a comrade.” Like, and that’s what it has to be.

“Yeah, you’re not gonna get Bernie to say “Gulags” but like, I’m all aboard for Gulags
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: crutonius on January 23, 2020, 06:58:07 AM
This is Project Veritas.  It's pretty much par for the course.
Yeah, I've heard CNN and NBC don't have much good to say about Project Veritas. So probably best to follow their lead. Keep up the good work.

I don't think you quite understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

These people are criminals.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 23, 2020, 07:59:29 AM
Tell me this, IF you thought this guy was especially important or influential would you be bothered by it or just shrug and say, "Well at least we'll all be equal and that's more important than anything"?
I mean, probably, but it doesn't sound like he's particularly important. Every movement has its nutjobs, and when they come to light, opponents of the movement prefer it's a big deal. There's a sensible middle ground here between not caring at all and panicking over it.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 24, 2020, 01:13:44 AM
This is Project Veritas.  It's pretty much par for the course.
Yeah, I've heard CNN and NBC don't have much good to say about Project Veritas. So probably best to follow their lead. Keep up the good work.

I don't think you quite understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

These people are criminals.
Hmm. Well I didn't read the whole thing but it looks like a patently biased Wikipedia page probably written by someone from CNN or NBC.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 24, 2020, 01:21:00 AM
Tell me this, IF you thought this guy was especially important or influential would you be bothered by it or just shrug and say, "Well at least we'll all be equal and that's more important than anything"?
I mean, probably, but it doesn't sound like he's particularly important. Every movement has its nutjobs, and when they come to light, opponents of the movement prefer it's a big deal. There's a sensible middle ground here between not caring at all and panicking over it.
Ok. Some more questions. Does being a Bernie Bro mean you support socialism? And have the pros and cons of socialism been debated on this site? Is it even allowed or will it get shut down by Gulag Junker?
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Snupes on January 24, 2020, 01:56:16 AM
Hmm. Well I didn't read the whole thing but it looks like a patently biased Wikipedia page probably written by someone from CNN or NBC.

What is your reasoning/evidence for this?


And have the pros and cons of socialism been debated on this site? Is it even allowed or will it get shut down by Gulag Junker?

Of course:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=1649.0
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=674.0
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 24, 2020, 02:25:21 AM
Hmm. Well I didn't read the whole thing but it looks like a patently biased Wikipedia page probably written by someone from CNN or NBC.

What is your reasoning/evidence for this?


Well I wasn't really a stating it as a provable fact. I was commenting on how it appeared to me, basically because of the use of rhetorical language all slanted in a particular direction.

Also, thanks for the links.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 24, 2020, 08:41:18 AM
Does being a Bernie Bro mean you support socialism?
Different people mean very different things by "socialism". I would like to establish a common definition before answering this. To some it just means an expanded welfare state, to others it's an authoritarian regime, and then there's plenty of in-betweens.

Also, you took my CN post far too seriously. It was in CN for a reason.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Boots on January 24, 2020, 01:25:04 PM
Does being a Bernie Bro mean you support socialism?
Different people mean very different things by "socialism". I would like to establish a common definition before answering this. To some it just means an expanded welfare state, to others it's an authoritarian regime, and then there's plenty of in-betweens.


I take socialism to mean a system where the means of production and distribution are controlled by the collective. Also, at least originally, socialism was intended as an intermediate step toward communism. Systems like this predictably lead to authoritarianism because some humans don't want to give up their individualism and freedom. So this is what happens to those freedom loving people: Like “hey, you guys are all causing problems, you’re like, working against the revolution; we’re just going to remove you and put you in Siberia, where you learn the f*cking value of like being a comrade.


The welfare state, while possibly socialistic in nature, is not socialism in my view.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on March 27, 2020, 03:45:28 AM
Well he's a Bernie 2020 Field Organizer, not really some random ass employee.
With all due respect to Organizers and the very important work they do, yes he is. A Field Organizer is typically the lowest full-time member of a political campaign.


Standard Project Veritas shit. Catch anyone saying anything and lie about the context. I just wish I could see a video of all their failed attempts. I've been lucky enough to (likely) see one Project Veritas operative work in person, and they were hilariously ineffective.
Title: Re: Kyle Jurek
Post by: Tumeni on March 27, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
Well he's a Bernie 2020 Field Organizer, not really some random ass employee. And if you listened he says there are a bunch of people in their campaign who feel the same. Bernie himself is a fan of communism and has been to the Soviet Union partying with like minded individuals.

Who held a beauty pageant in Moscow?

Clinton?
Sanders?
Obama?
Trump?