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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: geckothegeek on May 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
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No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
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No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
(5) What's beyond it?
(6) Are there any gates, doors, portholes etc?
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No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
(5) What's beyond it?
(6) Are there any gates, doors, portholes etc?
I'm not going to make any guesses, which are my usual mistakes on posts such as this one.
I'm not going to debate any information a FE posts.
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I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.
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I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.
Thank you, Roundy.
I have heard that there are some FE believers that do believe in the dome.
I would just like to see what information they have.
And what is the basis for it.
Also, Thank You, too, TomInAustin
Those are interesting questions, too.
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I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.
Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?
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I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.
Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?
I believe in the possibility. There appears to be reason to believe that traveling south from any point on Earth you will eventually run into a frozen barrier, so obviously if the model of FE with the north pole in the center is correct, and this is true, it logically follows that the Ice Wall exists. Many people have observed this barrier so there's no question it exists in some form; it's just a question of whether it encircles the Earth or is its own continent, and that's not a question I'm personally equipped to answer.
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I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.
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I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.
I've seen the answers to some questions on previous posts, but I would just like to get them all together for review.
FE's only please. I will try to refrain from making any "round earth" remarks until all the "flat earth" answers are in from the FE's.
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I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.
I am interested in whether the dome is round - like an upside down bowl - or if the flat earth has sort of a flat roof over
it ?
And how the dome (or the roof) fits in with the ice ring/ice wall ?
(There is an old painting showing a man kneeling down at the edge of the earth and peering out from a hole in the dome where the bottom of the dome meets the earth.)
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I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.
Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?
I believe in the possibility. There appears to be reason to believe that traveling south from any point on Earth you will eventually run into a frozen barrier, so obviously if the model of FE with the north pole in the center is correct, and this is true, it logically follows that the Ice Wall exists. Many people have observed this barrier so there's no question it exists in some form; it's just a question of whether it encircles the Earth or is its own continent, and that's not a question I'm personally equipped to answer.
Thanks again, Roundy,
It all depends on which map you believe is the flat earth model.
The map showing Antarctica as the ice ring is the Unipolar version.
The map showing Antarctica as a continent is the Bipolar version.
I will not make any other comments on the above.
I will be awaiting any answers to the questions.
Rather than just refering to a source such as "the flat earth wiki", "ENAG" or "The Sacred Texts", I would just like to see the answers in the words of the FE's.
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No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
I do not know.
I would believe it to be made of a substance that is solid, permeable, and self-healing.
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
I do not know.
It might also have several layers.
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
I don't think it has a bottom per say...
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
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(5) What's beyond it?
Perhaps nothing.
I think a totally new dimension.
(6) Are there any gates, doors, portholes etc?
I think so, but not in the earthbound sense.
I believe there are extradimensional aspects to the construction beyond our current understanding.
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I don't know.
That's why I am asking the questions.
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(1) What is the dome made of ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
Working from a biblical model.
(1)
Water.
(4)
It can be opened and closed by God,
Stars exist inside it like lights, possibly sonoluminescence.
It has a dark mirror quality up close and the outside may be solid.
Its possible to stand on top of it like a vaulted ceiling.
The heaven of heavens is beyond it, and there's at least three of those.
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(1) What is the dome made of ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?
Working from a biblical model.
(1)
Water.
(4)
It can be opened and closed by God,
Stars exist inside it like lights, possibly sonoluminescence.
It has a dark mirror quality up close and the outside may be solid.
Its possible to stand on top of it like a vaulted ceiling.
The heaven of heavens is beyond it, and there's at least three of those.
Thanks, Dither
That is one of the first answers received so far.
No comment.
Except :
You believe in the dome.
Roundy doesn't.
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BTW.
Seeing not much activity, I will take a break.
Like most people I know without a doubt that the earth is not some flat disc.
I have worked in several fields and observed personally that this is quite obvious.
It is ....if you want to get technical about it : " An Oblate Spheroid, slightly larger in circumference at the Equator than from Pole to Pole." And, of course, there is no dome above the earth, unless you might consider the atmosphere as sort of a dome above the earth.
But I am interested in the ideas as to how things would have to be if the earth was some flat disc. Fantasy and Fiction do make interesting reading. In particular, those of Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD, MD
The dome is one of those areas of particular interest.
But I will concede that if you had lived all your life in an area in which the earth appeared to be flat.
Or if you had never been very far from your home into the rest of the earth.
Or you had none or limited education of geography or astronomy or any other of the other sciences, such as physics.
Or for many other reasons such as if you had never been in military service or worked in any civilian field of work involving global information.
Or had never ever even given any thought as to the shape of the earth - if it was "round" or "flat."
You might well believe the earth was flat.
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Questions:
If the flat earth was covered by a dome ?
And would the dome be shaped like an upside down bowl ?
Wouldn't the maximum height of the dome above the earth be over the North Pole ?
Wouldn't the height be very small at the southern tip of South America or Africa ?
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Questions :
(1) I wonder if any flat earth believer has ever been brave enough to dare to go an astronomical observatory and talk to someone about the earth , the sun, the moon and the planets ?
(2) I wonder if any flat earth believer has ever been brave enough to dare to talk to some in the navy about the distance to the horizon ?
(3) I wonder if any flat earther has ever been brave enough to dare to get off from behind his computer, go beyond looking out his window, and go outside - even go to sea - and do some observing in the real world ?
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I wonder if any flat earther has ever been brave enough to dare to get off from behind his computer, go beyond looking out his window, and go outside - even go to sea - and do some observing in the real world ?
Some have. There are photographs that are claimed to be taken over large bodies of water, over distances that should be covered by the horizon, and which apparently are not.
They don't need to be fakes, they can be pictures of mirages.
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I know I have been annoying to the FES.
I know I have been guilty of doing the same thing on this subject that I have been doing the same thing over and over on previous subjects .
That is, I keep asking questions.
I have some ideas of my own, but I would like to see some answers from FE's, in their own words, to the questions listed.
But so far the only FE's I have seen reply are from Dither , Roundy and totallackey, which touched on a few , but not all, of the questions of TomInAustin and myself. Thanks very much , Roundy and totallackey.
My first attempt on this website was on the subject of how amateur radio operators had done "Moon Bounce" and had come up with an estimate of the distance from the earth to the moon. I think the details were fairly well covered in detail.
I would just like to see the subject of the dome explained, too....by FE's.
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I have not seen anything about a dome in Earth Not a Globe, or any of the other published Flat Earth Literature. I have no idea where you are getting your information from.
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Well, to be fair - as I'm sure you're aware, some FE'ers here do claim believe in the "dome" - probably from Bible literalism - although I agree that the Wiki does not say that.
RE'ers who come here to discuss such things can get confused about the multiple explanations for some parts of FET - and should learn to make allowances accordingly.
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I have no idea where you are getting your information from.
Really, Tom, no idea? You've been a member here for three and a half years, and have no idea where a person might get the information that some flat earth folks believe in a dome?
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Really, Tom, no idea? You've been a member here for three and a half years, and have no idea where a person might get the information that some flat earth folks believe in a dome?
I can gladly join Tom in saying that I have no idea where this misinformation originated.
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I have no idea where you are getting your information from.
Really, Tom, no idea? You've been a member here for three and a half years, and have no idea where a person might get the information that some flat earth folks believe in a dome?
Here is what I have read about the dome.
What I am looking for are corrections, additions or clarifications from FES experts.
I am just interested in as much information about the dome as possible.
No debate intended.:
Some say it is made of water. Some say it is made of ice. Some say it is made of brass or some other metal.
The dome is solid.
Nothing can get in or beyond it.
Space travel is impossible.
Space travel is a fake and a lie.
So is NASA.
Some say the sun, the moon and the stars are just below the dome.
Again.
Just looking for any consensus amongst FE's ?
I would think Tom Bishop would have some expertise on the subject ?
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You're looking for consensus where none exists.
When you drill down to any specific feature of FET, you'll find multiple - often conflicting - answers.
The "Dome" thing is something that the people who arrive at FET from the direction of the Bible believe - it pretty much says it right there - it's a dome, it's made of water - God created it when he "divided the waters" to make the oceans and the dome ("the firmament" in most biblical translations..."the sky" in others).
The "Not-dome" thing seems to come from the FE'ers who arrive at FET from a "what we can actually observe" direction (the "Zetetic Council" group who run this website). Since they do not directly observe a dome made of water (or anything else for that matter) - they wisely (IMHO) take the "Occam's Razor" approach and say that if there is no proof, we'll assume it doesn't exist. They do sometimes seem to go a bit far and claim that they've never heard this claim...which is hardly plausible...but it's fair of them to express clearly the view that without evidence it's not credible.
If you want more information about the biblical-origins version of FET, this is most certainly the wrong place to look for it. But there are a BUNCH of video presentations on YouTube by people who like to talk about FET at various religious gatherings...those people do talk about this dome/firmament thing.
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I would think Tom Bishop would have some expertise on the subject ?
Really, you would think Tom would have expertise on a subject that he just told you he didn't know exists? While there are multiple versions of FET out there, Tom really is an expert in the original, as described by Rowbotham. Rowbotham does not mention a dome. So I'm failing to see why you think he'd be an expert on it, or (as he expressly doesn't believe in it) would care about it at all.
At any rate the consensus here seems to be that it doesn't exist, so while I'm sure you were chomping at the bit to argue over the specifics and maybe hurl insults at the respondee, perhaps it's time to swallow your disappointment and move on.
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I would just like to see the subject of the dome explained, too....by FE's.
(Am not an FE'er but...)
I think you have your explanation. There are AT LEAST three or four different Flat Earth groups - some base their beliefs on religious grounds - they tend to believe in the dome because the bible says it exists. Others are of the "zetetic" approach which basically says that unless you can do the experiment for yourself - you can deny it's validity.
This group (tfes.org) has a Wiki that does not claim that there is a dome.
So continuing to ask them about the dome isn't going to get you anywhere.
For the purposes of discussions here - there is no dome. There are a couple of the religious-FE'ers here who argue as much with the other FE'ers as you and I might - but since they have ZERO proof of the dome (other than literalist bible claims) - they may safely be ignored.
My first attempt on this website was on the subject of how amateur radio operators had done "Moon Bounce" and had come up with an estimate of the distance from the earth to the moon. I think the details were fairly well covered in detail.
Arguments of the form "Some other people did this experiment and it proves X, Y and Z" are not well accepted here. A common response will be "Did you do that experiment yourself?" - and of course, you didn't. Hence either you're mistaken - or the people who claimed to have done the experiment are a part of "The Great Conspiracy" - and any such evidence will simply be dismissed. So unless you actually did this experiment - you're out on a limb here.
Again - if you want to be able to discuss things here - you need arguments that involve only the evidence of our own eyes - preferably with a minimum of fancy equipment.
It's ridiculously easy to disprove FET using nothing more than your own eyes. A trip to Australia and watching how the stars move. Searching online for flights from Australia to South America and South Africa. Going to the equator and watching how moon is rotated 90 degrees compared to how it looks in the northern USA or Europe.
These are all ridiculously easy experiments - and not one of them produces results that FET can explain.
So - let's figure out what the FE'ers believe about those phenomena...every single time I've tried, I get silence.
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As far as I am aware the bible just says that there is a firmament of some type over the earth. I do not believe that it describes a dome specifically. The firmament could be a box or an infinite ceiling. I do not know how or why some people have interpreted the texts as a dome.
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As far as I am aware the bible just says that there is a firmament of some type over the earth. I do not believe that it describes a dome specifically.
In Genesis Chapter One the Bible describes waters being divided above and below the earth.
Its true it doesn't specifically say "Dome" but it does say there is water up there.
Some may suggest that the waters collapsed during the Deluge when the windows of heaven were opened.
However, the Bible speaks of the possibility of windows still being opened after the Deluge.
Interestingly, the Genesis account does not work with a round earth model and the Bible goes out of its way to suggest the earth is flat but try telling any of this to most Christians and you'll be considered a heretic.
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Ever considered that it was all just an effort to describe what they saw in a time of ignorance, and now we know better, I mean water above? Clouds, you know where the rain comes from maybe.
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Ever considered that it was all just an effort to describe what they saw in a time of ignorance, and now we know better, I mean water above? Clouds, you know where the rain comes from maybe.
Bingo. They had some pretty silly science in the bible. Too lazy to look it up but remember when the guy had his sheep look at sticks while mating so the lambs would be spotted or black?
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Hi
I beleive In The dome ;)
Becasue of The bible and The book of enoch, which is Telling In details about the parth of the sun and the moon, the stars, the ports in which they go in and out of.
But actually it was the us operations in the 50' and 60' called operations Dominic and operations fishbowl, which first led me in the dome direction, not the biblical words, easy to find the video about those us operations, showing how the us armies was desperate to find out the size of the dome by hundreds of rockets shouting straight up, after they can back from then operations high jump on the South Pole, as if they just found egdes and now wanna to know "how high" is it ;)
Btw we see the both the sun and the moon, covered in clouds, which means they got to be very close!
All the best
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Hi
I beleive In The dome ;)
Becasue of The bible and The book of enoch, which is Telling In details about the parth of the sun and the moon, the stars, the ports in which they go in and out of.
But actually it was the us operations in the 50' and 60' called operations Dominic and operations fishbowl, which first led me in the dome direction, not the biblical words, easy to find the video about those us operations, showing how the us armies was desperate to find out the size of the dome by hundreds of rockets shouting straight up, after they can back from then operations high jump on the South Pole, as if they just found egdes and now wanna to know "how high" is it ;)
Btw we see the both the sun and the moon, covered in clouds, which means they got to be very close!
All the best
Operation Fishbowl was to test high altitude nuclear explosions - they wanted to know if enough destructive power could be produced at those altitudes to shoot down a nuclear missile using another nuclear missile. Fishbowl was a part of Dominic. They didn't shoot "hundreds of rockets" - there were exactly four launch attempts - only three of which left the launch pad and only one of which actually exploded.
Operation HighJump was an effort to set up a monitoring station near the South Pole to track possible Soviet attacks from planes flying over the South Pole...kinda bizzarre thing to do - but a lot of crazy stuff happened in the cold war.
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Any theories on what we are planning with the dome?
I know that antarctica has been employing large crews for "research and science" .
Why are we developing antarctica?
I was thinking of possible dome removal.
What happens when you remove the dome?
What happens?
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I didn't search back old threads when I joined but dang, you guys don't get out much.
We may be down to only a couple % of people that actually have read and understand the Bible.
One Nation under God...nope, they don't know him.
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I didn't search back old threads when I joined but dang, you guys don't get out much.
We may be down to only a couple % of people that actually have read and understand the Bible.
One Nation under God...nope, they don't know him.
Perhaps because the phrase "under God" wasn't added until 1954. The US was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. As in the freedom to practice whatever your religion is without official state sanction. The founding fathers also expressly forbid the creation of an official state religion. Not all denominations of Christianity take the Bible as a literal historical document or direct wording from the mouth of God. Some believe that it is more allegorical in nature and used as a teaching tool not unlike how we use children's books.
Just a little historical context as to why perhaps not all FE supporters use scripture as a literal description of the shape of the earth for things like the presence or absence of a dome.
Thank you,
CriticalThinker
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I didn't search back old threads when I joined but dang, you guys don't get out much.
We may be down to only a couple % of people that actually have read and understand the Bible.
One Nation under God...nope, they don't know him.
Perhaps because the phrase "under God" wasn't added until 1954. The US was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. As in the freedom to practice whatever your religion is without official state sanction. The founding fathers also expressly forbid the creation of an official state religion. Not all denominations of Christianity take the Bible as a literal historical document or direct wording from the mouth of God. Some believe that it is more allegorical in nature and used as a teaching tool not unlike how we use children's books.
Just a little historical context as to why perhaps not all FE supporters use scripture as a literal description of the shape of the earth for things like the presence or absence of a dome.
Thank you,
CriticalThinker
Couple decade before the fathers hooked us up, 80% went to church and the bible was the most taught. carry on....
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I didn't search back old threads when I joined but dang, you guys don't get out much.
We may be down to only a couple % of people that actually have read and understand the Bible.
One Nation under God...nope, they don't know him.
I actually read through the bible (King James' version) once. Started at page 1 and read through to the end. I've gotta say that if you read through it like that, rather than dipping into it and pulling out odd sections under the command of some priest - you get an entirely different view of the book.
It's painful and turgid - it's self-contradictory in hundreds of ways. God comes out as a totally evil, arbitrary bastard...even if he was real, *I* wouldn't worship him. What a nasty piece of work!
Basically, the book is a mess. It's very clear that it's been patched together and hacked about by every generation or two of religious "translators" to make it fit their ideas of what it should be. Each person who did that made a really half-assed job of it - leaving those inconsistencies all over the place.
If you think you might just maybe be religious - pick up the book you're supposed to use to run your life - read it, like a novel, from cover to cover. Trust me, you'll be an atheist afterwards!
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Really hard to get any information on the dome, there are several videos of objects hitting this dome though, I love how majority of mainstream religions and cultures reference this dome so many times. Also huge military figures and political powers have come out and discussed the dome, I will provide quotes and videos that can hopefully help you understand. A other quite interesting thing to note is the Great Rift, most cultures and religions have taken note of this Great Rift as a crack in the sky, Christians see it as heavens window (I think), Australian aboriginals thought it was where a monster by the name Yura lived. I keep blabbin' on but a other cool thing is Stone Handbags, typically they're seen as hand bags though they have to where to store things, I don't know if the name is just because how it looks but if you pay close attention to any FE it should appear as the dome, interesting huh. There are also people like Hilary Clinton who has actually spoken of the firmament several times and her goal to break it, at one stage she said something about that she hasn't been able to penetrate it as of yet but there are several thousand cracks. ecks dee
Hilary Clinton "I know that we still haven't shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling, but someday someone will and hopefully sooner then we might think right now. "
Hilary Clinton "I know it may be hard to see right now but we're all standing under the glass ceiling."
Hilary Clinton "Although we weren't able to shatter that highest hardest glassing ceiling, thanks to you we have about 18million cracks in it."
Hilary Clinton "I can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling,"
was going to include more but got lazy, it's not hard to research some of it for yourself
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Really hard to get any information on the dome, there are several videos of objects hitting this dome though, I love how majority of mainstream religions and cultures reference this dome so many times. Also huge military figures and political powers have come out and discussed the dome, I will provide quotes and videos that can hopefully help you understand. A other quite interesting thing to note is the Great Rift, most cultures and religions have taken note of this Great Rift as a crack in the sky, Christians see it as heavens window (I think), Australian aboriginals thought it was where a monster by the name Yura lived. I keep blabbin' on but a other cool thing is Stone Handbags, typically they're seen as hand bags though they have to where to store things, I don't know if the name is just because how it looks but if you pay close attention to any FE it should appear as the dome, interesting huh. There are also people like Hilary Clinton who has actually spoken of the firmament several times and her goal to break it, at one stage she said something about that she hasn't been able to penetrate it as of yet but there are several thousand cracks. ecks dee
Hilary Clinton "I know that we still haven't shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling, but someday someone will and hopefully sooner then we might think right now. "
Hilary Clinton "I know it may be hard to see right now but we're all standing under the glass ceiling."
Hilary Clinton "Although we weren't able to shatter that highest hardest glassing ceiling, thanks to you we have about 18million cracks in it."
Hilary Clinton "I can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling,"
was going to include more but got lazy, it's not hard to research some of it for yourself
I can't tell if you are serious or trolling. At first I thought serious, but then you start referring to the glass ceiling as though it is the dome. At the risk of falling for the bait, the glass ceiling is a reference to wage inequality between the sexes. i.e. Women being paid less then men.
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The site is now full of one shot wonder aliases. And we see the tards that continue to respond to themselves. Take a pill guys you really really need them.
Up your meds !!!
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Didn't say going to church was an inherently bad thing J-man. If it makes you a better person, it's the right place to be. Just that the founding fathers made sure that you could without government persecution. By adding the words under God to the pledge of allegiance, it does violate the separation of church and state to a very small degree, but I'm an American and I say it anyways because it's our official pledge of allegiance. If you really want to live in a theocracy, try the middle east. It's all the rage there.
In other news: If the firmament is a dome covering the flat earth and holding back the waters of heaven, wouldn't the earth be more accurately described as a hemisphere? I mean does the atmosphere not count as part of Earth?
CT
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Didn't say going to church was an inherently bad thing J-man. If it makes you a better person, it's the right place to be. Just that the founding fathers made sure that you could without government persecution. By adding the words under God to the pledge of allegiance, it does violate the separation of church and state to a very small degree, but I'm an American and I say it anyways because it's our official pledge of allegiance. If you really want to live in a theocracy, try the middle east. It's all the rage there.
In other news: If the firmament is a dome covering the flat earth and holding back the waters of heaven, wouldn't the earth be more accurately described as a hemisphere? I mean does the atmosphere not count as part of Earth?
CT
I would be more inclined to call it jail. Footstool too. Flat Earth is separate from heaven so we can't combine the purity of heaven with the devils playground here stuck on earth, no escape. Prince Ruperts Drop, were not getting out. Look at the bright side, the footstool will eventually become heaven, at least for the 1,000 year reign.
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Really hard to get any information on the dome, there are several videos of objects hitting this dome though, I love how majority of mainstream religions and cultures reference this dome so many times. Also huge military figures and political powers have come out and discussed the dome, I will provide quotes and videos that can hopefully help you understand. A other quite interesting thing to note is the Great Rift, most cultures and religions have taken note of this Great Rift as a crack in the sky, Christians see it as heavens window (I think), Australian aboriginals thought it was where a monster by the name Yura lived. I keep blabbin' on but a other cool thing is Stone Handbags, typically they're seen as hand bags though they have to where to store things, I don't know if the name is just because how it looks but if you pay close attention to any FE it should appear as the dome, interesting huh. There are also people like Hilary Clinton who has actually spoken of the firmament several times and her goal to break it, at one stage she said something about that she hasn't been able to penetrate it as of yet but there are several thousand cracks. ecks dee
Hilary Clinton "I know that we still haven't shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling, but someday someone will and hopefully sooner then we might think right now. "
Hilary Clinton "I know it may be hard to see right now but we're all standing under the glass ceiling."
Hilary Clinton "Although we weren't able to shatter that highest hardest glassing ceiling, thanks to you we have about 18million cracks in it."
Hilary Clinton "I can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling,"
was going to include more but got lazy, it's not hard to research some of it for yourself
I can't tell if you are serious or trolling. At first I thought serious, but then you start referring to the glass ceiling as though it is the dome. At the risk of falling for the bait, the glass ceiling is a reference to wage inequality between the sexes. i.e. Women being paid less then men.
Meant to say that was just a conspiracy theory lmao, most of it comes from the the little hand signal she does after she speaks about it