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honk · « **Reply #11740 on:** November 16, 2024, 07:46:17 PM »

Regardless of whether or not Trump is intentionally scamming or playing Musk, I can't see this partnership between them lasting very long once they actually start trying to work together. They're both famously very prickly personalities with long histories of turbulent work environments, countless horror stories from former employees, and numerous reports of the extensive "special handling" required by their employees to navigate their egos without setting them off. There's going to be a messy breakup, and it's going to happen sooner rather than later.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11741 on:** November 16, 2024, 08:05:55 PM »

Yep. Especially when Trump stops pushing EVs and Musk starts losing alot of money.

Rushy · « **Reply #11742 on:** November 18, 2024, 02:54:09 PM »

Quote from: Lord Dave on November 16, 2024, 08:05:55 PM

Yep. Especially when Trump stops pushing EVs and Musk starts losing alot of money.

Tesla stopped qualifying for EV credits because the company sold too many EVs. Musk wants Trump to kill the EV tax credits because they help Tesla's competition without helping Tesla.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11743 on:** November 18, 2024, 03:04:57 PM »

Quote from: Rushy on November 18, 2024, 02:54:09 PM

Quote from: Lord Dave on November 16, 2024, 08:05:55 PM
Yep. Especially when Trump stops pushing EVs and Musk starts losing alot of money.

Tesla stopped qualifying for EV credits because the company sold too EVs. Musk wants Trump to kill the EV tax credits because they help Tesla's competition without helping Tesla.

I did not know that. That explains alot.

Rushy · « **Reply #11744 on:** November 18, 2024, 03:13:26 PM »

Quote from: Lord Dave on November 18, 2024, 03:04:57 PM

Quote from: Rushy on November 18, 2024, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Lord Dave on November 16, 2024, 08:05:55 PM
Yep. Especially when Trump stops pushing EVs and Musk starts losing alot of money.

Tesla stopped qualifying for EV credits because the company sold too EVs. Musk wants Trump to kill the EV tax credits because they help Tesla's competition without helping Tesla.
I did not know that. That explains alot.

It teeters back and forth depending on Tesla's sales. I believe right now they do qualify for the credits.

Regardless, Musk verbatim voiced his support for removing the credits:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813112958157005259

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The end of the credit “will widen Tesla’s competitive moat by making competing EV models even more uneconomic, as we believe TSLA is the only profitable manufacturer of EVs,” wrote Garrett Nelson, analyst for CFRA Research

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/15/business/musk-tesla-trump-ev-tax-credit/index.html

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11745 on:** November 18, 2024, 03:29:55 PM »

>_>

So the most expensive EV is the most economical without the credit? That sounds.... Delusional.

Rushy · « **Reply #11746 on:** November 18, 2024, 04:13:41 PM »

Quote from: Lord Dave on November 18, 2024, 03:29:55 PM

>_>

So the most expensive EV is the most economical without the credit? That sounds.... Delusional.

If Tesla's competition is underwater then they will likely choose to exit the market entirely rather than keep digging a hole for themselves. The only company currently capable of competing with Tesla on the EV front is Toyota and Toyota has repeatedly stated they are uninterested in EVs. Their current CEO is too obsessed with hydrogen cars. Other manufacturers don't have the access to enough battery production to make a lot of headway in the market. Tesla owning their own battery production is what is allowing them to make profitable vehicles.

Musk makes a lot of insane and dumb decisions. Unfortunately, his competitors make even more insane and dumber decisions. He's probably right that killing the subsidies will help Tesla more than it'll hurt.

Tom Bishop · « **Reply #11747 on:** November 20, 2024, 06:23:34 PM »

Okay, so a lifelong democrat and some of his lifelong democrat friends won the election against an extremist democrat. Not sure what you guys are still bawwing about

markjo · « **Reply #11748 on:** November 20, 2024, 10:10:38 PM »

A convicted felon won the election against a district attorney. What could go wrong?

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11749 on:** November 21, 2024, 10:07:09 AM »

Trump fought the Law and Trump won.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11750 on:** November 21, 2024, 06:49:43 PM »

And Matt Gaetz is out.
Didn't even make it to the hearing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxy2qxxpzo
Guess Trump only knows how to pick losers.

Tom Bishop · « **Reply #11751 on:** November 22, 2024, 03:41:13 AM »

Sounds more like Trump is coming out ahead to me

https://twitter.com/behizytweets/status/1859748864355598373

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11752 on:** November 22, 2024, 08:27:33 AM »

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 22, 2024, 03:41:13 AM

Sounds more like Trump is coming out ahead to me

https://twitter.com/behizytweets/status/1859748864355598373

So... Why didn't Trump pick her first? Sounds like he didn't pick the best to begin with.

Action80 · « **Reply #11753 on:** November 22, 2024, 09:52:39 AM »

Maybe he wanted Gaetz completely out of Washington.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11754 on:** November 22, 2024, 12:43:00 PM »

Quote from: Action80 on November 22, 2024, 09:52:39 AM

Maybe he wanted Gaetz completely out of Washington.

That would be some high level planning that I don't trust he would think of. Someone else more savy, sure. So... Honestly? Not a bad theory.

Action80 · « **Reply #11755 on:** November 22, 2024, 04:33:33 PM »

He must be savvy enough, given he is now awaiting installment as 47, despite all the reported issues.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #11756 on:** November 22, 2024, 08:36:16 PM »

Not only that but he's basically untouchable now. There is nothing he can't do.
He got his hush money case basically dismissed AFTER conviction because some evidence used was stuff someone else said while doing official acts for the president. Thus, can't be used as evidence.

This is pretty dark. The president can do anything they want. Biden could do anything. Say anything. Plot anything. And as long as he does it while president... he's totally immune.

I don't think Trump is that smart, but he knows what to say. He knows how to draw a crowd. He's an entertainer and he feeds off the anger of people by basically telling them what they want to hear.

Rushy · « **Reply #11757 on:** November 23, 2024, 01:47:03 PM »

It's interesting that Trump is simultaneously an incompetent buffoon but has also masterminded his way around the entire US government. I wonder if Democrats are tired of saying their enemy is both very weak and very strong at the same time.

Tom Bishop · « **Reply #11758 on:** November 23, 2024, 02:34:34 PM »

Pam Bondi vows to investigate and prosecute Trump's investigators. She still seems like a good pick to me.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1860096277041787280

honk · « **Reply #11759 on:** November 23, 2024, 02:39:49 PM »

Quote from: Rushy on November 23, 2024, 01:47:03 PM

It's interesting that Trump is simultaneously an incompetent buffoon but has also masterminded his way around the entire US government. I wonder if Democrats are tired of saying their enemy is both very weak and very strong at the same time.

The only people saying anything like that right now in this thread are the Trump fans. I don't think any of the critics here would agree with them.

Quote from: Lord Dave on November 22, 2024, 08:36:16 PM

He got his hush money case basically dismissed AFTER conviction because some evidence used was stuff someone else said while doing official acts for the president. Thus, can't be used as evidence.

That doesn't seem to be true:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/trumps-hush-money-sentencing-is-postponed-indefinitely-judge-says/index.html

I'm not seeing anything about any evidence being ruled inadmissible. It just seems to come down to the fact that Trump is the president and you can't send the president to jail.