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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Organising an ANTARCTICA exploration

« on: December 31, 2017, 08:04:15 AM »

lets explore Antarctica


1,Who is interested?
2,What would be the warmest time to go?
3.Any idea on cost per head?
4,what would be the cheapest method of travel?
5,what could be used for travel when getting there?

in reply to my own questions, I would just like to point out this is possible because.......

1, Does not just have to be 'flat earth believers' coming along, Im sure some of the die hard globe believers like the idea of gloating at the flat earthers when they see for themselves upon exploring antarctica that the earth is actually a globe upon finding the other side of antarctica.
3, my guess is without sponsorship or celebrity interest it will be affordable unless there are hundreds if not close to 1000 people coming along to help, not 1000 to explore! but we will need people to help witha vast array of tasks / catering ect.
4, Surely it has to be a ship.
5, snow ski, snow buggy, monster trucks? tailor made vehicle, helicopter from the ship? small private aircraft?

With celebrity interest, anything is possible - Im fed up with watching 'frozen planet', the narrator himself said earlier, another 700 miles further is just ice ( so basically theres no point going any further ) was david attenborough told to say that? does he truly believe that? who knows....

One of those ready made Antarctica tours never go far enough, anyone can come along out of interest no matter what you believe so theres no stigma attached!

Would anyone like to take charge of the organizing of this trip? if so step forward 

Why not just book a tour? It would be much simpler.
There are now at least a couple of companies that organize tours to the geographic South Pole.

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole
http://www.polarexplorers.com/expeditions/south-pole

The second link has tours that range from flying in to the South Pole to 60 day expeditions where you trek inland starting at the Antarctic shore all the way to the South Pole (500 – 700 miles).

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model

« on: September 12, 2017, 06:56:56 PM »

1)  It is very well supported in the bible.    Plain English.   People read the bible all the time and never believe it.
**** Many many seminary teachers don't even believe that Jesus Rose from the Dead.   Explain that.
2)  Of course there is a testable map.    It was already tested in the 1800's.    A captain decided to sail around the southern continent; but by the time he got to his starting point he had *****gone 6.5 times  as many miles as expected --  proving that he sailed around the entire earth on it's outer perimeter   - not around a southern continent.
3)  You Tube is chock full of balloons showing the flat surface with GO cameras  30,000 feet up.    Fish eye lenses used by NASA and  globalists  cause curvature.
4)   The earth is round.  It is just not a globe.   Maybe you can understand if I tell you  - the earth is more like an apple pie rather than a basketball.
TRUE......

1) it is not supported in the Bible. That may be your interpretation of Scripture but it is not shared by the vast majority of Christians. Even when done carefully with the purest of intentions, exegesis of Scripture can lead to multiple interpretation – Arminianism vs Calvinism is one such example. To trivialize the devotion of hundreds of thousands of Christians who believe in the power of the resurrection, who seek to know God through Scripture; then to stand up and declare yours as the "correct" position is the height of pharisaic arrogance.

2) Good! If you really believe that, post it here. Yes, PLEEEAZE post it here! Let's see how well it holds up true scrutiny, not the puffballs that you lob up to validate your own theories.

3) This is tiring… why is that every picture with a flat horizon is unequivocal proof that the world is flat and every picture with a curved horizon is counterfeit? Anyone familiar with photography understands how simple it is to manipulate any image with focal length and camera tilt. Use a tilt shift lens and you have even more control of perspective. Yes, you can easily make a straight horizon look curved. Just as easily as you can make a curved horizon look flat. This is a textbook example of confirmational bias.

4) Nice sounding statement, but it means nothing. Tell me what map you believe is true and we can start from there.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Earths orbit cant be oval as its diameter alters by 3%

« on: September 12, 2017, 02:24:32 AM »

Isn't it interesting to see the difference in the quality of responses between:

Curious Squirrel, Rounder, Mtnman and 3dGeek (Round Earth)

And

JMan (Flat Earth)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset

« on: September 10, 2017, 03:23:48 AM »

Trying to understand the math here. I understand the 0.01111 now as it is basically a multiplier used to convert number of degrees of latitude into a distance from the north pole, in order to find the length of one of the legs of the right triangle.

What is the 57.3 number supposed to represent?

Taking that number for granted, using the latitude 30.22749 (N) this formula calculates to a value of 56 degrees (rounded) north of west (sunset example), which then equates to a compass heading of 304 degrees. That would be roughly north west. Do you agree with that result?

57.3 is to convert the results from radians to degrees. It's 180/Pi

My results for latitude 30.22749 (N) is 34° (rounded) north of West. Not sure what happened. You can PM me if you'd like or I can send you my Excel spreadsheet.

I did get the same math result (34 degrees rounded) I just didn't describe it well. I had 56 being the compass heading for sun rise (34 degrees from due east, 90-34=56) then I changed to talking about sun set. Sorry for the confusing result.

If the hurricane clears out soon enough I will be able to visit the ocean next week and I'll take a compass with me to check this. And I will adjust for the magnetic variance. Thanks.

The deviation North for both the sunset and sunrise is the same. The angles are the same, just mirror image of each other. In your case, both are 34° (N) of due East and due West.

The autumnal equinox is September 22. Next week will be a little early but shouldn't make much difference. Stay safe and good luck with your measurements.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset

« on: September 08, 2017, 07:00:18 PM »

If you are using a magnetic compass you need to factor in the declination between magnetic North and true North. It can be as much as 20° East or West in the US.

Here is a quick explanation:
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/compass-declination.html

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset

« on: September 07, 2017, 10:44:14 PM »

Formula to calculate sunrise, sunset position for the unipolar flat Earth model.

...

Deviation (N°) from due West = Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 111.1 / 10,000) * 57.3
             = Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 0.01111) * 57.3

The same formula can be used to calculate the deviation (N) due East at sunrise.

Trying to understand the math here. I understand the 0.01111 now as it is basically a multiplier used to convert number of degrees of latitude into a distance from the north pole, in order to find the length of one of the legs of the right triangle.

What is the 57.3 number supposed to represent?

Taking that number for granted, using the latitude 30.22749 (N) this formula calculates to a value of 56 degrees (rounded) north of west (sunset example), which then equates to a compass heading of 304 degrees. That would be roughly north west. Do you agree with that result?

57.3 is to convert the results from radians to degrees. It's 180/Pi

My results for latitude 30.22749 (N) is 34° (rounded) north of West. Not sure what happened. You can PM me if you'd like or I can send you my Excel spreadsheet.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset

« on: September 07, 2017, 12:33:49 PM »

I have seen the FE animation with the sun&moon spinning around the north pole with a circle of lighted area beneath the sun. I am trying to look at a specific spot on the globe into order to judge the angle to the sun from that point when the terminator line crosses and that spot becomes dark in the evening.

The animations I have seen are of small scale, and I can get a general idea of the direction. I wish to find something more specific. Where is there a resource for this information? I want to enter a location and date in order to get the compass direction to the sunrise/sunset and the times for that date/location. Basically looking for something based on the math behind the map, rather than just the animation.

This formula will calculate the degrees North from due East (sunrise) and due West (sunset) during the vernal and autumnal equinox. It is a simple trigonometric formula based on the Unipolar Flat Earth Map.

=ARCTAN((90 - Latitude)*0.0111)* 57.3

Latitude – Use positive values for latitudes north of the equator and negative values for latitudes south of the equator.

In the Round Earth Model, the sun will rise due East and set due West during the the equinox.

During the equinox:
1) the sun will track directly over the equator.
2) day length is the same (12 hours) over the entire planet.

Source and detail of your formula please.

Formula to calculate sunrise, sunset position for the unipolar flat Earth model.

During the equinox:
   1) The sun will follow a path directly over the equator.
   2) Day length at all latitudes is 12 hours.
        3) Sunrise and sunset for the round Earth model will be due East and due West at all latitudes.

Assume you are 0° N, 0° W – South of Ghana, Africa. (Map below)
At solar noon the sun is directly overhead.
In 6 hours (sunset) the sun will travel to 0° N, 90° W (1/4 the circumference of the equator).

The deviation (N) of the sun from due West at sunset can be calculated by:

Deviation (N) from due West = arctan (D1/D2)
   D1= distance from observer to North Pole = 10,000 km
   D2 = distance from sunset position (equator) to North Pole = 10,000 km

   Arctan (10,000/10,000) = 0.785 radians
                  = 0.785*57.3
                       = 45°

D1 was modified to accommodate any latitude.
   D1 = (90 - Latitude)*111.1 km
      Latitude = latitude of observer (for South latitude used negative value).
      111.1 = km/degree latitude (10,000 km / 90°)
   
   D2 = 10,000 km

Deviation (N°) from due West = Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 111.1 / 10,000) * 57.3
             = Arctan ((90 - Latitude) * 0.01111) * 57.3

The same formula can be used to calculate the deviation (N) due East at sunrise.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset

« on: September 07, 2017, 08:18:25 AM »

I have seen the FE animation with the sun&moon spinning around the north pole with a circle of lighted area beneath the sun. I am trying to look at a specific spot on the globe into order to judge the angle to the sun from that point when the terminator line crosses and that spot becomes dark in the evening.

The animations I have seen are of small scale, and I can get a general idea of the direction. I wish to find something more specific. Where is there a resource for this information? I want to enter a location and date in order to get the compass direction to the sunrise/sunset and the times for that date/location. Basically looking for something based on the math behind the map, rather than just the animation.

This formula will calculate the degrees North from due East (sunrise) and due West (sunset) during the vernal and autumnal equinox. It is a simple trigonometric formula based on the Unipolar Flat Earth Map.

=ARCTAN((90 - Latitude)*0.0111)* 57.3

Latitude – Use positive values for latitudes north of the equator and negative values for latitudes south of the equator.

In the Round Earth Model, the sun will rise due East and set due West during the the equinox.

During the equinox:
1) the sun will track directly over the equator.
2) day length is the same (12 hours) over the entire planet.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Cartography and a flat earth

« on: August 29, 2017, 05:05:58 PM »

If the Earth really is flat, then it would be simple to map it on a flat paper.

Go ahead and map the world for us then, if you think it is so easy.

Tom, I believe that's the point. It apparently isn't easy, ergo how can the Earth be flat.

He just said that it's easy to map the world. Why not map it for us then and then tell us the results?

Actually, it is quite easy. Just look at a globe. All the land masses – Greenland, Africa, Australia, Alaska to name a few – are correctly shaped and appropriately sized. Distances between any 2 points are consistent with GPS, airline flight times, mathematical calculations using latitude and longitude.

That is why all two-dimensional maps have shortcomings. You cannot accurately plot out a three-dimensional sphere onto a two-dimensional sheet of paper.

Looking at a globe and then assuming that the earth is a globe is your way of mapping the earth?

No,
1) You begin with the assumption that the Flat and Spherical Earth models are both equally correct.
2) Then, test each model equally by taking size, distance measurements from each model and comparing it to objective, third-party data.
3) Inconsistencies with the model and known data indicates a flaw in the model.

When tested, the 2-D Flat Earth maps show numerous inconsistencies with available data.

According to the Flat Earth Ice Wall Model presented on wiki:
   Australia is larger than North America
   South America is twice as large as North America
   Africa is larger than Asia and Europe combined.

The Flat Earth Distinct Continent Model also presented on wiki:
   Australia is larger than Africa.
   Canada is taller than it is wide.
   New Zealand is larger than Greenland.

The Spherical Earth Globe Model:
Is consistent with published data of landmass sizes and shapes.

Measured distances especially on the outer edges of both Flat Earth models differ wildly from distances measured by GPS, airline flight data and mathematically calculated with latitude and longitude coordinates. With the Spherical Earth Model there are no such inconsistencies. This point has been pointed out on numerous previous threads but has been largely ignored by the Flat Earth community.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Cartography and a flat earth

« on: August 29, 2017, 12:35:17 AM »

If the Earth really is flat, then it would be simple to map it on a flat paper.

Go ahead and map the world for us then, if you think it is so easy.

Tom, I believe that's the point. It apparently isn't easy, ergo how can the Earth be flat.

He just said that it's easy to map the world. Why not map it for us then and then tell us the results?

Actually, it is quite easy. Just look at a globe. All the land masses – Greenland, Africa, Australia, Alaska to name a few – are correctly shaped and appropriately sized. Distances between any 2 points are consistent with GPS, airline flight times, mathematical calculations using latitude and longitude.

That is why all two-dimensional maps have shortcomings. You cannot accurately plot out a three-dimensional sphere onto a two-dimensional sheet of paper.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth Expedition to Antartica

« on: August 28, 2017, 11:59:14 PM »

Hey guys!

I'm new here, forgive me if this topic has been posted before, but the search function seems defunct / not working.

I have been a believer in the flat earth probably since I was a little kid and no one could really explain to me why we don't fly off if we are going so fast.

I would love to go on an expedition to Antartica!

https://iaato.org/visitor-guidelines
https://www.state.gov/e/oes/ocns/opa/c6528.htm
https://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/193967.htm
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/antarctica.html

Has anyone submitted a request to the state department to go on a expedition?

While I do believe that the governments of the world, and the powers that keep them in place, do not want commoners like us to go there, find interesting shit and tell others. I don't think a request would be denied unless there were outlandish claims / statements made in the request for the expedition permit.

I imagine it would be possible to even crowd fund this expedition and get a US university to take some of our researchers if we paid the way for their researches as guides.

for example this failed crowd funded proposal
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/international-antarctic-expedition-2016--3#/

I have enough independent wealth almost to do this my self, but wouldn't know where to start in terms of buying vehicles and storing fuel that would last long enough to find whatever is beyond what we are allowed to know.

I would be interested to see if this had been discussed or attempted before?all

No need to set up your own expedition. This is exactly what you're looking for; tours that will fly you all the way to the South Pole.

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-2017

The cost is $50,000, a fraction of what you were planning to finance your own expedition. There are trips leaving in December, less than 4 months from now. You can be there before the end of this year! Be sure to post pictures of your trip when you return.