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Haha brilliant Tom, the documentary uses GPS and exact distances between points, both data you refute can be proven ie your famous "distance between Paris and New York is unknown".....
Dr Rowbotham proved that the earth is a flat plane with the Bedford level experiment. He also explained why ships hulls disappear before the mast.More recently we have proved the earth is round.
Dr Rowbotham understood it perfectly.No he doesn't, he understood it perfectly.please compare
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za14.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refraction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction
I'm confused, did they need 815 or 882 miles of cable? I thought someone earlier stated it was 2,226 miles.
If by "flawed from the start" you mean "correctly took refraction into account" then you are correct.Dr Rowbotham took it into account and his result ended up being scientifically correct.
That additional 15% could be for any number of reasons.
Including a map mistake.
And why exactly?I have. And it's pride of place on my shelf. The Dr Rowbotham presented many facts to back up his experiments, taking different situations into account yet each one proved the point that earth is not a globe.Have you read his book? He goes into extreme detail with regards to how his experiments were conducted and the various things he took into account. And I assume you were referring to Alfred Russell Wallace who claimed to take into account refraction, yet Dr Rowbotham himself went into extreme detail as to how he took refraction into account, thereby rendering Wallace's 'experiment' invalid. Dr Rowbotham produced many experiments and the conclusions were the result of the facts. Hence the reason he revealed that the sun is less than 700 miles above the earth.
More importantly, have YOU read his book?
This remark by yourself seems more than a bit off the mark: "Hence the reason he revealed that the sun is less than 700 miles above the earth."
The rest of the FE community is of the opinion that the sun is about 3,000 miles above the earth. Did they get that number from Rowbotham, or another source? If Rowbotham indeed believed the 700 mile number, then the community seems to believe him to be in error.
Incidentally, I DID read the book and passed it off as complete hogwash, which it is, and always will be. It's part pseudo science and part religious proselytizing. Scientifically, it is deserving of no respect whatever, in my opinion. The book was written by a man simply trying desperately to cling to his bizarre interpretation of the Christian religion in the face of all evidence to the contrary. To him, a flat earth was absolutely necessary because, in his interpretation, that's what the bible indicated it to be.
And I'm not sure where other people get their information from, I can't speak for them. I do, however, trust Dr Rowbothams work.
You need to stop typing "Dr" in front of "Rowbotham."
Incorrect. Care to try again? I've read the book. It's a load of bollocks backed up with confirmation bias, a touch of truth, and ignoring anything that disagrees with his already formed conclusions. Again though, I would be more than happy to go into greater detail in a thread devoted to the subject if you so desire, but it doesn't seem particularly appropriate here.Dr Rowbothams ideas were scientifically and mathematically accurate. If you read his work you should know that, but then these round earthers seem to believe whatever NASA spew. Einstein may be regarded as a genius now, but Dr Rowbotham changed the science books, yet when the technology was available for the elite to see for themselves, they covered it all up.Yes that's true, but Dr Rowbotham challenged something that was regarded as fact and its easier to ridicule it.As did Einstein, as have many people over the centuries who have completely changed our thinking about how the world and universe works.
Otherwise we'd still be thinking that everything is made of the 4 elements earth, air, water and fire.
Lots of people have come along and revolutionised science and understanding of things, Newton and Einstein are but too.
Rowbotham COULD have been one, his ideas were indeed revolutionary. Trouble is they were demonstrably wrong.
And there's the difference, Newton and Einstein's ideas stood up to scrutiny so became accepted, Rowbotham's didn't so he was consigned to relative obscurity.
There's no conspiracy here. I know you guys love a good conspiracy but his ideas were simply and demonstrably wrong.
There seems to be discrepancy about how much cable was laid. The second link says there was a 16% discrepancy:
Another segment showed a 15% discrepancy:
I have. And it's pride of place on my shelf. The Dr Rowbotham presented many facts to back up his experiments, taking different situations into account yet each one proved the point that earth is not a globe.Have you read his book? He goes into extreme detail with regards to how his experiments were conducted and the various things he took into account. And I assume you were referring to Alfred Russell Wallace who claimed to take into account refraction, yet Dr Rowbotham himself went into extreme detail as to how he took refraction into account, thereby rendering Wallace's 'experiment' invalid. Dr Rowbotham produced many experiments and the conclusions were the result of the facts. Hence the reason he revealed that the sun is less than 700 miles above the earth.
More importantly, have YOU read his book?
This remark by yourself seems more than a bit off the mark: "Hence the reason he revealed that the sun is less than 700 miles above the earth."
The rest of the FE community is of the opinion that the sun is about 3,000 miles above the earth. Did they get that number from Rowbotham, or another source? If Rowbotham indeed believed the 700 mile number, then the community seems to believe him to be in error.
Incidentally, I DID read the book and passed it off as complete hogwash, which it is, and always will be. It's part pseudo science and part religious proselytizing. Scientifically, it is deserving of no respect whatever, in my opinion. The book was written by a man simply trying desperately to cling to his bizarre interpretation of the Christian religion in the face of all evidence to the contrary. To him, a flat earth was absolutely necessary because, in his interpretation, that's what the bible indicated it to be.
And I'm not sure where other people get their information from, I can't speak for them. I do, however, trust Dr Rowbothams work.
Sadly, he isn't a flat earther.
He originally wanted to do his rocket thing and managed to crowd fund about $310. This wasn't going to get him very far. He noticed flat earth was a thing people were interested in, and so claimed the earth was flat and he wanted to find out for himself. Suddenly he had $8000 on his project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hughes_(daredevil)
He's just another round earther cashing in on flat earth.
I like Dr Rowbothams work because he was what started the flat earth revolution, and his experiments were conclusively sound.All I see is rationalization. At least it's clear why you like Rowbotham so much. Also, after having checked out this video, it's clear as day that the bubble moves around. I don't know why you think it needs to move outside of the 'zone' for this. Oh wait, you just think it should without any math to back up your hypothesis. Gimme an hour or two, let's get some math in here.YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
As for the video, the bubble doesn't move. It doesn't move because the earth is flat.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
It was disregarded because we know otherwise. We have proof of otherwise. We have documented otherwise extensively, there is no logical reason to believe the earth isn't round*.
Rowbotham wasn't a genius, he was a twit unwilling to trust the proven and solved.
The only reason that notion exists here is that all that proof and documentation and knowledge is thrown away dismissively (sound familiar?) because the people whose job it is to research space had the gall to research space and communicate what they found. Shame on them.
*The only logic I've found is 'it looks flat' and nothing more. Not exactly earthshaking evidence, is it?
I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
Are you asking me or telling me? And if the ground is the floor, then they are upside down. And instead of building upwards, they are in fact building downwards.
Okay, so all you round earthers, I have a question. Say for arguments sake the earth is a globe, and you have the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere. Take Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Now Britain and Canada are pointing upwards, right? Whereas the Aussies and kiwis are pointing down, since they are underneath the ball, correct? So using that logic, if you are in Britain and Canada, then since they are on top of the ball, the earth is the floor and the sky is the ceiling. On the flip side, since the other two are on the underside of the ball, that means the floor becomes the ceiling and the ceiling becomes the floor. In other words, the ceiling is the earth and the floor is the sky. So my question to you is simple. Since they are upside down and standing on the ceiling, why don't they fall into the sky?
No, you are misunderstanding me. They will let you near the ice wall, we've got pics of it, that's not being disputed. However, they will only let you go so far over it. It extends for hundreds of miles, they will only let you go so far.
