[Roundy]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/susan-collins-approval-rating-sinks-lower-as-maine-race-shifts-from-lean-republican-to-toss-up/

Oh Sue.  You had to let the facade drop. 

I am doing exactly the same thing I’ve always done. I’ve always cast votes with an eye to how they affect the state of Maine and our country,” she said. “I think Mainers will look at my record, remember who I am and where I’m from.”

Oh ffs.

For years Susan Collins passed herself off as a moderate, even making a name for herself early on in Trump's presidency by being one of the few Republicans in Congress willing to occasionally criticize him. 

She basically acknowledged that she believed Trump had committed an impeachable offense.  Then she voted against removal anyway, a cowardly act that demonstrated purely partisan interests.  To say that she did that "with an eye to how" it affects "the state of Maine and our country" is just a laugh.  Her ridiculous assertion that she felt he deserved exoneration because he had learned a lesson is evidence that either she's not very intelligent or she doesn't credit her constituents with much intelligence, and honestly she's a woman who's a Republican... but I still think it's more the latter.  Between that and the Kavanaugh confirmation she nakedly revealed where her loyalties lie, and it is neither with her own conscience nor the interests of the people of Maine or the country. And now she tries to act incredulous that previously friendly Independents and Democrats have turned against her.  Whoops!

Give her some credit; she seems to still be trying to curry favor by criticizing Trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis (and apparently losing a fair share of aid as a result of it, which is a shame).  But I think the mask has already come off, and once it's off you can't convincingly play pretend anymore.  At least (let's hope) not with enough people, as evidenced by her slippage in the polls and her having been named (I didn't even know this, I laughed so hard, who knew such an honor even existed?) "most unpopular senator" earlier this year.

I hope she loses. 

[Roundy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/us/politics/trump-adjourn-congress-coronavirus.html

--"Democrats' unprecedented obstruction"

--Garland Merrick.

--tfw the Senate Majority Leader exhibits senility regarding his own previous actions.

You set the example, Mitch...

[Pete Svarrior]

To be fair, there is a strong precedent for American parties calling their bickering "unprecedented obstruction".

[Tom Bishop]

Joe Biden's 1988 Presidential campaign lol

[honk]

Holy shit, Biden ripped off a British politician's speech thirty years ago. Pack it in, Biden, you're done.

[JSS]

Holy shit, Biden ripped off a British politician's speech thirty years ago. Pack it in, Biden, you're done.

Thank goodness Trump would never do anything like that!

[stack]

[Tom Bishop]

America being great is such a generic phrase which has existed in media and literature for many decades. There is a entire themepark called Great America. Trump could have easily come up with that himself. 'Make America great again' was also used by Bill Clinton in speeches at campaign stops during his campaign.

That is also yet another attempted two wrongs make a right argument. An attempted justification of plagiarism and lying about academic credentials, rather than just admitting that Joe Biden was wrong.

Joe Biden dropped out of the 88' Presidential race due to plagiarism and lies; a disgraced politician.

[stack]

America being great is such a generic phrase which has existed in media and literature for many decades. There is a entire themepark called Great America. Trump could have easily come up with that himself. It was also used by Bill Clinton during his campaign.

That is also yet another attempted two wrongs make a right argument. An attempted justification of plagerism and lying about credentials, rather than just admitting that Joe Biden was wrong.

Biden dropped out of the race due to plagiarism and lies; a disgraced politician.

Oh the irony, the last line of the vid, "...forced out the race due to questions of character and integrity."

Fast forward 30+ years later and we have a whole new very low bar as to what character and integrity means. Apparently falsely taking credit for a catch phrase, pussygate, making fun of the disabled, insulting war heroes, 1000's of false/misleading claims, adding to rather than draining the swamp, emboldening the Alt-Right, affair with Porn Star payoffs, yeah, character and integrity doesn't really seem to mean that much these days.

[JSS]

Oh the irony, the last line of the vid, "...forced out the race due to questions of character and integrity."

Fast forward 30+ years later and we have a whole new very low bar as to what character and integrity means. Apparently falsely taking credit for a catch phrase, pussygate, making fun of the disabled, insulting war heroes, 1000's of false/misleading claims, adding to rather than draining the swamp, emboldening the Alt-Right, affair with Porn Star payoffs, yeah, character and integrity doesn't really seem to mean that much these days.

That's how the GOP gets their followers to stomach all the crap they do. They claim 'the other side is just as bad'.

"Well sure, our candidate murdered 20 children. But yours gave someone a dirty look once and hurt their feelings. So they are the same, they all hurt people!"

"Well, everybody lies..." is the response to a president who needs an entire press wing to correct all the lies and mistakes and fabrications he makes after every press conference. It's absurd.

[Tom Bishop]

Are you guys aware that two wrongs do not make a right? Whatever perceived wrong you point out does not justify a wrong.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/wrong

two wrongs don't make a right

PROVERB
the fact that someone has done something unjust or dishonest is no justification for acting in a similar way.

[stack]

Are you guys aware that two wrongs do not make a right?

Yes.

And then there's orders of magnitude.

Joe had 30 years to pussygate, make fun of the disabled, insult war heroes, convey 1000's of false/misleading claims, add to rather than drain the swamp, embolden the Alt-Right, have an affair with a Porn Star and make hush money payoffs, etc. Trump was able to pull all of this off in just 3. And the list of character and integrity transgressions is quite abridged, there is so much more...

[honk]

Nobody cares that Biden ripped off a speech thirty years ago. What a silly non-issue.

[Lord Dave]

I like how Tom's only defense is: Look, I know Trump did that, but that doesn't mean Biden should have.

[Tom Bishop]

An attempt to use two wrongs to make a right is an invalid discussion tactic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right

This fallacy is often used as a red herring, or an attempt to change or distract from the issue. For example:

Speaker A: President Williams lied in his testimony to Congress. He should not do that.
Speaker B: But you are ignoring the fact that President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony!

Even if President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony, this does not establish a precedent that makes it acceptable for President Williams to do so as well. (At best, it means Williams is no worse than Roberts.) By invoking the fallacy, the contested issue of lying is ignored.

Sounds like what we are seeing here. Can't accept the truth.

[Rama Set]

There is no such thing as an invalid discussion tactic.

What Biden did thirty years ago was possibly plaiguarism. No one disagrees with that.

Trump has proven to have massive character deficiencies. This is a Trump thread. What do you think about Trump?

[JSS]

An attempt to use two wrongs to make a right is an invalid discussion tactic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right

You do realize that YOU were the one that brought up Biden's 30 year old problem in a thread about Trump.  That would make you the one trying to make two wrongs a right.

[Lord Dave]

An attempt to use two wrongs to make a right is an invalid discussion tactic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right

You do realize that YOU were the one that brought up Biden's 30 year old problem in a thread about Trump.  That would make you the one trying to make two wrongs a right.

^This.

In other words, Tom agrees that Trump plagurizes.

[Roundy]

Joe Biden dropped out of the 88' Presidential race due to plagiarism and lies; a disgraced politician.

Tom, you do realize that two wrongs don't make a right, right? I learned that in kindergarten. So why don't you stop trying to justify Trump's character deficiencies by saying "duh Biden bad too!"?

Also there's a whole thread dedicated to Biden if you want to complain about him.

[Roundy]

Anyhoo in actual Trump news the President is contradicting his own message about reopening the economy while attempting to incite violent protests around the country.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/18/opinions/trump-is-playing-with-fire-ghitis/index.html

Tom, the ball is in your court. Justify Trump's call to violence by pointing out a time Joe has done it in the past.