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McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« on: May 19, 2021, 04:22:48 PM »
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/25/one-florida-mcdonalds-offers-50-to-anyone-who-interviews-for-a-job/

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Unemployment pays more than McDonalds.  So why would anyone want to interview, get instantly offered a job, and lose unemployment?
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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2021, 05:01:33 PM »
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/25/one-florida-mcdonalds-offers-50-to-anyone-who-interviews-for-a-job/

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Unemployment pays more than McDonalds.  So why would anyone want to interview, get instantly offered a job, and lose unemployment?

Are you aware that jobs provide additional benefits than monetary compensation?

https://employeebenefit.info/mcdonalds-employee-benefits/

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McDonald’s Restaurants offers numerous McDonald’s Perks and Benefits for its Employee which makes the staff happy and loyal towards the company. McDonald’s Restaurants offers the following benefits to its employees –

- McDonald’s Health Insurance, Dental Insurance, Occupational Accident and Life Insurance
- McDonald’s 100% 401 (k) plan and Performance-based bonuses
- Flexible Hours, Employee Discount, Job Training, and Tuition Assistance
- Family Medical Leave and Maternity & Paternity Leave.

So, if you are an employee at McDonald’s, then check this mcd employee benefits and Perks details which you can enjoy. Here is a brief account of McDonald’s Employees Benefits 2020.

If you have ongoing health issues you might want to keep the job to keep your benefits, even if those benefits are poor and only provide catastrophic coverage. That way you are getting paid enough to survive while living in your paren't basement and have benefits. With unemployment you get only the money to survive in your parent's basement and would have to use that survival money to pay for your own benefits without McD's help.

Also, unemployment has a time limit attached.
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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2021, 09:36:51 PM »
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/25/one-florida-mcdonalds-offers-50-to-anyone-who-interviews-for-a-job/

Short answer:
Unemployment pays more than McDonalds.  So why would anyone want to interview, get instantly offered a job, and lose unemployment?

Are you aware that jobs provide additional benefits than monetary compensation?

https://employeebenefit.info/mcdonalds-employee-benefits/

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McDonald’s Restaurants offers numerous McDonald’s Perks and Benefits for its Employee which makes the staff happy and loyal towards the company. McDonald’s Restaurants offers the following benefits to its employees –

- McDonald’s Health Insurance, Dental Insurance, Occupational Accident and Life Insurance
- McDonald’s 100% 401 (k) plan and Performance-based bonuses
- Flexible Hours, Employee Discount, Job Training, and Tuition Assistance
- Family Medical Leave and Maternity & Paternity Leave.

So, if you are an employee at McDonald’s, then check this mcd employee benefits and Perks details which you can enjoy. Here is a brief account of McDonald’s Employees Benefits 2020.

If you have ongoing health issues you might want to keep the job to keep your benefits, even if those benefits are poor and only provide catastrophic coverage. That way you are getting paid enough to survive while living in your paren't basement and have benefits. With unemployment you get only the money to survive in your parent's basement and would have to use that survival money to pay for your own benefits without McD's help.

Also, unemployment has a time limit attached.
Seems like its changed since I worked at McDonalds back in 2008.  But... not really buying it.
-I'd need to see the details of their medical coverage, for example, because it could have such a high deductable as to be pointless.  Or the cost for the employee (yeah, it'll cost em in the paycheck) is alot.
-The 401K is match.  Which is great but requires the unskilled, minimum wage person to pay into it themselves first.
-Job training is not a benefit.  It is literally what every buisness does with new employees.
- Flexible Hours.... yeah... if possible.  Because, ya know, staffing.
- Employee Discount.  Again, encourges the employee to eat their own food, which basically means they take their McDonalds paycheck and put it back into McDonalds.
- Tuition Assistance (for select colleges).  I'd like to see that list too.

The sad thing is, these all sound great to someone like YOU, but odds are, they're just ways to get people in the door.  Like if you can get Health and Medical but it costs $100 a week... not really good, is it?  And, of course, restaurant staff and office staff are treated differently. 

*Reading Glassdoor.com comments, sounds like it's cheap but very high deductable for managers.  So regular kitchen staff are probably shafted even worse.

Remember Tom: Deductables are the devil.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2021, 10:11:14 PM »
Dave, you've got to play the long game...

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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2021, 01:13:26 AM »
Seems like its changed since I worked at McDonalds back in 2008.  But... not really buying it.
-I'd need to see the details of their medical coverage, for example, because it could have such a high deductable as to be pointless.  Or the cost for the employee (yeah, it'll cost em in the paycheck) is alot.

No, it's not pointless. The maximum costs for the insured are regulated. The total out-of-pocket expenses for an individual plan, including deductibles and co-payments, can't be more than $6,900 for an individual.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/high-deductible-health-plan/

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For 2020, the IRS defines a high deductible health plan as any plan with a deductible of at least $1,400 for an individual or $2,800 for a family. An HDHP’s total yearly out-of-pocket expenses (including deductibles, copayments, and coinsurance) can’t be more than $6,900 for an individual or $13,800 for a family. (This limit doesn't apply to out-of-network services.)

These are catastrophic plans. If you have a serious health condition it can absolve you of medical bankruptcy, as the real costs for a serious health condition can easily run into six figures. Some people need that peace of mind that they are covered by insurance if the worst happens and that their family will not become bankrupt over it.

It is possible that the young people working at McDonalds already have housing and food to take care of their main needs through family, and only want benefits such as this and some spending money.
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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2021, 01:20:12 AM »
Jesus Christ your healthcare system is so fucked up.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2021, 02:21:42 AM »
That's a pretty good sales pitch though: "work for us! You'll get 50% off all the McRibsTM you want and if you're appendix blows up, you'll only be out 10 grand!"

Is McHealthcare better than Obamacare?

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2021, 05:01:03 AM »
Seems like its changed since I worked at McDonalds back in 2008.  But... not really buying it.
-I'd need to see the details of their medical coverage, for example, because it could have such a high deductable as to be pointless.  Or the cost for the employee (yeah, it'll cost em in the paycheck) is alot.

No, it's not pointless. The maximum costs for the insured are regulated. The total out-of-pocket expenses for an individual plan, including deductibles and co-payments, can't be more than $6,900 for an individual.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/high-deductible-health-plan/

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For 2020, the IRS defines a high deductible health plan as any plan with a deductible of at least $1,400 for an individual or $2,800 for a family. An HDHP’s total yearly out-of-pocket expenses (including deductibles, copayments, and coinsurance) can’t be more than $6,900 for an individual or $13,800 for a family. (This limit doesn't apply to out-of-network services.)
Thanks Obamacare!
Still, $6 grand is alot.  And it doesn't cover out of network, which you may not know you get until its too late.  Also, the insurance is great as long as you have a job.  you could, in fact, be fired for not showing up because you are hurt or sick.
Ex: you break your arm.
You go to the ER.  The doctor see's you, x-rays your arm, and you get a cast.  You get billed for your deductable AND its out of network.  Why?  Because the doctor who saw you was out of network.  He just never told you and you didn't ask. (Yes this is real.  Happened to me)
And you can't work safely for a few weeks so... McDonalds fires you.
No more insurance.  Guess who owes the full cost now?

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These are catastrophic plans. If you have a serious health condition it can absolve you of medical bankruptcy, as the real costs for a serious health condition can easily run into six figures. Some people need that peace of mind that they are covered by insurance if the worst happens and that their family will not become bankrupt over it.
And if you have something minor like a broken bone or a wound needing stiches?

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It is possible that the young people working at McDonalds already have housing and food to take care of their main needs through family, and only want benefits such as this and some spending money.
Which would mean they're under their parents insurance (if they are under 26 years old) and thus, the benefit is irrelevant anyway since they won't be offered it (or take it if they were).

Odds are they're paying for college so they can get a better job, like I did.  Do you know how much college is a month?
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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2021, 05:42:26 AM »
If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596

"Nearly 30,000 McDonald's employees currently participate in the plan, which provides a maximum of $2,000 to $10,000 a year in basic medical coverage at a cost of $14 to $32 a week, according to the company. Home Depot, Disney, Blockbuster, Staples and other big retail chains with large populations of hourly employees offer similar plans."
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2021, 07:46:28 AM »
If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596

"Nearly 30,000 McDonald's employees currently participate in the plan, which provides a maximum of $2,000 to $10,000 a year in basic medical coverage at a cost of $14 to $32 a week, according to the company. Home Depot, Disney, Blockbuster, Staples and other big retail chains with large populations of hourly employees offer similar plans."

You uhhh... Might wanna find a more recent article. 
11 years is a long time.
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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2021, 09:11:03 AM »
Jesus Christ your healthcare system is so fucked up.
Just to be clear, you are all terrific, but everything you say is exactly what a moron would say.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2021, 11:14:19 AM »
If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

... or you could take a small contribution from each taxpayer, each year, spend a little less on other govt spending, and finance a medical system where the general public don't have to worry about whether or not an illness will bankrupt them, and can just go to the doctor or hospital for free.

As was said earlier, your healthcare system is so totally and utterly effed up....
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2021, 02:06:41 PM »
Not going to stand for this.

America is #1 at everything.  Our healthcare system is the best.  Any information to the contrary is just more of the RE coverup.  If you really want to argue about it we'll add another $500 trillion to our military budget and come blow you off the face of the earth just to prove how great we truly are.
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Further commentary with billing examples on the American Healthcare System/Business

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Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2021, 08:31:49 PM »
If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

... or you could take a small contribution from each taxpayer, each year, spend a little less on other govt spending, and finance a medical system where the general public don't have to worry about whether or not an illness will bankrupt them, and can just go to the doctor or hospital for free.

As was said earlier, your healthcare system is so totally and utterly effed up....

Oh, so the McDonald's employee has to change their entire government and health care system around for their personal benefit. Sounds like practical advice.

McDonalds is a stepping stone for most people, a job typically for young people to get spending money while they are in school and living with their parents, and not a career that is supposed to support them in whole. They know that it's just a temporary job for them. People in actual careers after McDonalds can afford normal insurance, and the massive socialized system that you think people in the US are desperate for quickly becomes unnecessary.
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2021, 08:57:21 PM »
If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

... or you could take a small contribution from each taxpayer, each year, spend a little less on other govt spending, and finance a medical system where the general public don't have to worry about whether or not an illness will bankrupt them, and can just go to the doctor or hospital for free.

As was said earlier, your healthcare system is so totally and utterly effed up....

Oh, so the McDonald's employee has to change their entire government and health care system around for their personal benefit. Sounds like practical advice.
Well... it would benefit everyone in society so... I mean... not just personal.
Also, imagine the money businesses would save by not having to entice people with medical benefits?

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McDonalds is a stepping stone for most people, a job typically for young people to get spending money while they are in school and living with their parents, and not a career that is supposed to support them in whole. They know that it's just a temporary job for them. People in actual careers after McDonalds can afford normal insurance, and the massive socialized system that you think people in the US are desperate for quickly becomes unnecessary.

I've seen this argument before.
Ok, tell me something: What is the progression of career that you think happens?  What kind of economic progress do you assume is the normal?

Also: Why is a job, that is needed, for "young people"?  You do know that McDonalds didn't start their business to give young people a job, right?  They started it to sell burgers.  And if young people don't take the job (as seen by the OP), the job doesn't get done(because older people can't love off the wages) and the restaurant closes.  So... why do you think its for "young people"?  Because the way I see it, its not FOR young people, but rather the only jobs(expanding to the service industry as a whole) young people are qualified to perform.

Like saying "Used Cars are for young drivers".  No, Used cars are the cars those with little money can afford.  Which happens to fit poor old people and poor young people.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2021, 09:39:07 PM »
The average age of a McDonald’s employee is 27.

https://www.zippia.com/mcdonalds-crew-member-jobs/demographics/

Times have changed and McJobs are no longer for the high schooler. They entrench lower class people in low mobility situations so that multi-billion dollar companies can continue to depress their wages and prospects. Sacrifices at the altar of eternal profit growth.

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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2021, 10:23:52 PM »
Zippia? McD claims that the average age of an hourly employee is 20. Presumably we are talking about the cooks and cashiers earning an hourly rate.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/help/faq/18338-what-is-the-average-age-of-a-mcdonalds-employee.html



But if you're in your late 20's or older and still working the kitchen and drive through at McDonald's, that's your own fault.

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Well... it would benefit everyone in society so... I mean... not just personal.

I can afford insurance just fine. It's not going to benefit me if the government increases taxes to support people to supplement the lives of twenty year-olds with temp jobs and people who failed in life with this new massive socialized healthcare system.

You want to take from me and provide nothing in return? What a compelling proposal.  ::)

I've seen this argument before.
Ok, tell me something: What is the progression of career that you think happens?  What kind of economic progress do you assume is the normal?

I think it's normal for people to pick up menial jobs early in life and work to make something better of themselves.

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Also: Why is a job, that is needed, for "young people"?  You do know that McDonalds didn't start their business to give young people a job, right?  They started it to sell burgers.  And if young people don't take the job (as seen by the OP), the job doesn't get done(because older people can't love off the wages) and the restaurant closes.  So... why do you think its for "young people"?  Because the way I see it, its not FOR young people, but rather the only jobs(expanding to the service industry as a whole) young people are qualified to perform.

McD is a business and doesn't care if its workers are young or old. The workers trend younger because it is a norm to work menial unskilled jobs early in your career as you try to make something of yourself. McD managers know it's just a temp job. The workers know that it's just a temp job. I know that it's just a temp job. I'm not sure what your deal is.

If low paying unskilled jobs didn't exist then those young people would probably be leaching off of their parents even more than they are. It serves a purpose which the parents appreciate.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2021, 11:15:28 PM »
Zippia? McD claims that the average age of an hourly employee is 20. Presumably we are talking about the cooks and cashiers earning an hourly rate.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/help/faq/18338-what-is-the-average-age-of-a-mcdonalds-employee.html

That’s the UK.

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But if you're in your late 20's or older and still working the kitchen and drive through at McDonald's, that's your own fault.

Classic retarded conservative talking point. Only an idiot thinks all of your employment conditions are under your control. Are you an idiot?
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2021, 11:21:32 PM »
I can afford insurance just fine. It's not going to benefit me if the government increases taxes to support people to supplement the lives of twenty year-olds with temp jobs and people who failed in life with this new massive socialized healthcare system.

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