[Tom Bishop]

Before he makes that statement of Christians never having to vote again, the video of the full speech shows that he speaks on the subject of Christians who don't vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghEIj7jS6qI

@37:25
a movement make America greater again Maga the likes of which our country has never seen
before and by the way Christians have to vote you know I don't want to scold you
but you know that Christians do not vote proportionately they don't vote like they should they're not big voters
know who else aren't voters the NRA endorsed me very powerfully strongest endorsement they can give National Rifle
Association people that own guns and rifles on not big voters they have to
vote if you don't vote we're not going to win the election if you do vote we're going to win in a landslide too big to
rig we're going to win in a landslide but Christians you know you'll go to church every
Sunday and Pastor Paula White and all of the people I understand they're doing lock boxes in churches where people
don't even have to go to vote they can now vote in church and if you do that we're going to win by numbers that
nobody's ever seen before you know you have tremendous power but you just don't know that but you have to use that power
Christians are a group that's known not to vote very much you have to go out at
least this election just give us in get us into that beautiful white house vote

[Lord Dave]

Before he makes that statement of Christians never having to vote again, the video of the full speech shows that he speaks on the subject of Christians who don't vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghEIj7jS6qI

@37:25
a movement make America greater again Maga the likes of which our country has never seen
before and by the way Christians have to vote you know I don't want to scold you
but you know that Christians do not vote proportionately they don't vote like they should they're not big voters
know who else aren't voters the NRA endorsed me very powerfully strongest endorsement they can give National Rifle
Association people that own guns and rifles on not big voters they have to
vote if you don't vote we're not going to win the election if you do vote we're going to win in a landslide too big to
rig we're going to win in a landslide but Christians you know you'll go to church every
Sunday and Pastor Paula White and all of the people I understand they're doing lock boxes in churches where people
don't even have to go to vote they can now vote in church and if you do that we're going to win by numbers that
nobody's ever seen before you know you have tremendous power but you just don't know that but you have to use that power
Christians are a group that's known not to vote very much you have to go out at
least this election just give us in get us into that beautiful white house vote

Why only....this year?  Surely he'd want them to vote every year, right?  He's not just begging them to vote so he wins and not any future republicans, right?

[AATW]

Trump is obviously talking to Christians who don't vote there. Maybe you should provide more support and evidence for your position that Trump is actually proposing to end elections. Even if he did intend to abolish elections, it is doubtful that he would advertise it.

What do you think he meant?

[Tom Bishop]

Why only....this year?  Surely he'd want them to vote every year, right?  He's not just begging them to vote so he wins and not any future republicans, right?

It's not uncommon to hear someone say something like "The only election I've voted in was the one for Obama". For an election perceived as special, someone may temporarily break the streak of not voting, and then resume to their non-voting practice. Trump is telling those non-voting people to make such an exception for 2024. He is suggesting that it will be the most important election in their lifetime for the reasons he gives in his speech.

[Pete Svarrior]

ITT: people who never heard anyone go "bro do me a solid just one last time, never again bro, I promise"

[AATW]

ITT: people who never heard anyone go "bro do me a solid just one last time, never again bro, I promise"

I don’t think he was saying that he’s going to stop elections. He couldn’t even if he wanted to, I have a feeling he (not that) secretly would love to be a dictator but he’s in the wrong country to try that in.
I get he’s encouraging people to vote who might not usually do so but the thing about never going to have to vote again was a bit weird. It’s asking to be misinterpreted and at best it’s superfluous

[garygreen]

Maybe you should provide more support and evidence for your position that Trump is actually proposing to end elections.

i never said trump is proposing to end elections. nor does the article. nor is that anything i believe. lol you got to that interpretation of trump's remarks all on your own. interesting.

what he's very obviously saying is that he will do everything in his power to obviate the need for christians to continue to vote. because -- in his vision for america -- christian fundamentalism will become immutably embedded in all of american civics.

given that 1) he's speaking to an audience of christian jihadists, and 2) he's literally already tried to overthrow a democratically elected administration, this interpretation seems pretty reasonable.

[Lord Dave]

Why only....this year?  Surely he'd want them to vote every year, right?  He's not just begging them to vote so he wins and not any future republicans, right?

It's not uncommon to hear someone say something like "The only election I've voted in was the one for Obama".

I have literally never heard this.  You'll have to provide some evidence.

For an election perceived as special, someone may temporarily break the streak of not voting, and then resume to their non-voting practice. Trump is telling those non-voting people to make such an exception for 2024. He is suggesting that it will be the most important election in their lifetime for the reasons he gives in his speech.

Why is it so important?  They'll either get 4 more years of the exact same stuff as the last 4, or they'll get something that they had 8 years ago.  What is so important and special about this one? 

[ichoosereality]

Why is it so important?  They'll either get 4 more years of the exact same stuff as the last 4, or they'll get something that they had 8 years ago.  What is so important and special about this one?

What folks have said is that all the people around Trump that were new to government before know a lot more about how it all works now so will be more effective at implementing his agenda (whatever that is) if he gets elected.  To what extent that is the case, I have no idea.   Also among the things Trump is pushing is his "drill baby drill" shtick and to undo what little progress against global warming that has been made so far as he claims its all fake.   IF he were able to do that it would be bad.  I think we need to double down on our efforts to get off of fossil fuels not to burn more of them.

[Lord Dave]

Why is it so important?  They'll either get 4 more years of the exact same stuff as the last 4, or they'll get something that they had 8 years ago.  What is so important and special about this one?

What folks have said is that all the people around Trump that were new to government before know a lot more about how it all works now so will be more effective at implementing his agenda (whatever that is) if he gets elected.  To what extent that is the case, I have no idea.   Also among the things Trump is pushing is his "drill baby drill" shtick and to undo what little progress against global warming that has been made so far as he claims its all fake.   IF he were able to do that it would be bad.  I think we need to double down on our efforts to get off of fossil fuels not to burn more of them.

Drill baby drill doesn't bother me.
What most people don't know is that nothing gets drilled until it's profitable to do so.  And America doesn't have alot of oil anymore.  Current proven estimates give us about a year's worth of use.  And most of that is hard to get oil.

Plus, exploration and building the drills and such can take years to do.  Especially in the Arctic area.  And for any of this oil to be used, it needs to be profitable which means high oil prices.  It's ironic:
Drill baby drill requires high gas prices to exist.

[ichoosereality]

Drill baby drill doesn't bother me.
What most people don't know is that nothing gets drilled until it's profitable to do so.  And America doesn't have alot of oil anymore.  Current proven estimates give us about a year's worth of use.  And most of that is hard to get oil.

Plus, exploration and building the drills and such can take years to do.  Especially in the Arctic area.  And for any of this oil to be used, it needs to be profitable which means high oil prices.  It's ironic:
Drill baby drill requires high gas prices to exist.

I don't see how that can be true.   Looking at this https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545 we are pumping a lot of oil and have been doing so for years.  When eventually we do run out it won't be sudden but just get harder and harder to pump and hence more expensive.  Though we also may discover new sources.   What I'd like is for us to be cutting back on oil use, moving to wind, solar, and nuclear.  If we keep burning oil for the next 30 years like we have for the past 30 global warming is going to be out of control.  We need to get to net-zero ASAP so we will stop making things worse.

[Lord Dave]

Drill baby drill doesn't bother me.
What most people don't know is that nothing gets drilled until it's profitable to do so.  And America doesn't have alot of oil anymore.  Current proven estimates give us about a year's worth of use.  And most of that is hard to get oil.

Plus, exploration and building the drills and such can take years to do.  Especially in the Arctic area.  And for any of this oil to be used, it needs to be profitable which means high oil prices.  It's ironic:
Drill baby drill requires high gas prices to exist.

I don't see how that can be true.   Looking at this https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545 we are pumping a lot of oil and have been doing so for years.  When eventually we do run out it won't be sudden but just get harder and harder to pump and hence more expensive.  Though we also may discover new sources.   What I'd like is for us to be cutting back on oil use, moving to wind, solar, and nuclear.  If we keep burning oil for the next 30 years like we have for the past 30 global warming is going to be out of control.  We need to get to net-zero ASAP so we will stop making things worse.

True and what's the cost of oil?
About $80/bbl

That's high.  Not the highest but high.
$30 is low.

So alot of fraking projects are profitable.  Plus, little known secret: they're pumping to make hydrogen as well.

Make hydrogen, shift Automotive companies to build hydrogen instead of electric, and you get to use the same systems, with the same profit, and be "green". 

[ichoosereality]

True and what's the cost of oil?
About $80/bbl

That's high.  Not the highest but high.
$30 is low.

So alot of fraking projects are profitable.  Plus, little known secret: they're pumping to make hydrogen as well.

Make hydrogen, shift Automotive companies to build hydrogen instead of electric, and you get to use the same systems, with the same profit, and be "green".

ok, but taking fraking into account I don't think we are down to our last year of oil in the ground or even close to that.  So I think we still need increasingly strict regulation to reduce our production of CO2 and methane faster.  As for hydrogen, there indeed is a lot of interesting work in that area but distribution requires new systems and the vehicles are also very different.  How the mix will end up between battery EV and Hydrogen remains to be seen.   Its a good bet that both will remain in play.

[Lord Dave]

True and what's the cost of oil?
About $80/bbl

That's high.  Not the highest but high.
$30 is low.

So alot of fraking projects are profitable.  Plus, little known secret: they're pumping to make hydrogen as well.

Make hydrogen, shift Automotive companies to build hydrogen instead of electric, and you get to use the same systems, with the same profit, and be "green".

ok, but taking fraking into account I don't think we are down to our last year of oil in the ground or even close to that.  So I think we still need increasingly strict regulation to reduce our production of CO2 and methane faster.  As for hydrogen, there indeed is a lot of interesting work in that area but distribution requires new systems and the vehicles are also very different.  How the mix will end up between battery EV and Hydrogen remains to be seen.   Its a good bet that both will remain in play.

Oh you misunderstand.

If we pulled out and refined all the proven oil in the US instantly...  We'd have about a year's worth before we had to import again.

That's how much vs how little we have.

Conversely, Saudi Arabia has enough oil to satisfy the global demand for 100+ years.

[ichoosereality]

Oh you misunderstand.

If we pulled out and refined all the proven oil in the US instantly...  We'd have about a year's worth before we had to import again.

That's how much vs how little we have.

Conversely, Saudi Arabia has enough oil to satisfy the global demand for 100+ years.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States the US average use was about 18 MBbpd so 6.5B barrels per year but we have reserves of 44B barrels and estimates of 198B more undiscovered. Which comes out to about 35 years worth.  So it seems like we have a lot more than one years worth in the ground.  This does not deal with the type of oil which causes us to import even if we produce more than we need.  So we are a net exporter but also import.

[Lord Dave]

Oh you misunderstand.

If we pulled out and refined all the proven oil in the US instantly...  We'd have about a year's worth before we had to import again.

That's how much vs how little we have.

Conversely, Saudi Arabia has enough oil to satisfy the global demand for 100+ years.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States the US average use was about 18 MBbpd so 6.5B barrels per year but we have reserves of 44B barrels and estimates of 198B more undiscovered. Which comes out to about 35 years worth.  So it seems like we have a lot more than one years worth in the ground.  This does not deal with the type of oil which causes us to import even if we produce more than we need.  So we are a net exporter but also import.

Huh.  Then where did I get my numbers?


Well, I know when I'm wrong. 
Tho I didn't count the estimated because it's unproven and not being actively drilled or planned for drilling.

Which would put it at about 10 years of proven (not estimated(

Regardless: most of it is in hard to reach spots like shale, undersea, etc...

Anyway, still agree with you that we need to stop using it for fuel as much as we can.

[Action80]

Neither one of you guys have any clue about what you are writing.

[Lord Dave]

Neither one of you guys have any clue about what you are writing.

How would you know? 

[Action80]

Neither one of you guys have any clue about what you are writing.

How would you know?

Precedent.

[AATW]

What the hell is he talking about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c06k07dn1zjo