The Flat Earth Society
The Flat Earth Society => Suggestions & Concerns => Topic started by: juner on October 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
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This is more of an informative post for everyone since he is a hot topic around these parts lately. lolwut was on a final warning by me for rules infractions. He was then given a warning by Rushy which triggered the auto-mute. While the auto-mute feature was disabled, his warning was still outstanding. I requested feedback from the moderation team aside from Rushy and me. After a day, the feedback received was that the warning was just and should stand. This put lolwut well past his warning limit, 5 in total. Therefore, he has been given a 3-day ban. (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?action=banlist)
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What was he warned for again?
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He posted a string of characters that vaguely resembled an erect penis ejaculating.
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He did that five times? In CN?
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He did that five times? In CN?
He broke that particular rule once, however that rule breaking was his third time in an extremely short timespan.
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Are we really banning people for algebra?
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Are we really banning people for algebra?
No.
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Particle Person placed that post here just to be "clever" which amounts to little more than trolling S&C. I'll gladly accept any real discussion he wants on the topic of pornographic algebra.
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So can someone explain why lolwut? Was banned for? The only thing I remember him posting resembling a penis was 8=D and if he was banned for that, lol. Not that I hate him being banned, though
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So can someone explain why lolwut? Was banned for? The only thing I remember him posting resembling a penis was 8=D and if he was banned for that, lol. Not that I hate him being banned, though
A combination of spamming, low content posting, and yes, an enormous dick.
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... In CN? Plus I thought his spamming was slowing down
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... In CN? Plus I thought his spamming was slowing down
These are the warnings he received:
Rushy lolwut? October 29, 2015, 07:28:46 AM Pornographic material
Rushy lolwut? October 26, 2015, 06:20:09 PM Do not abuse the report system.
junker lolwut? October 26, 2015, 09:48:42 AM Low Content Posting in the Upper Fora
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Pornographic material? For 8=D? What the fuck ? I get he is a shitty poster but you can't make things up to ban an annoying person. Well, I guess you can ::)
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Pornographic material? For 8=D? What the fuck ? I get he is a shitty poster but you can't make things up to ban an annoying person. Well, I guess you can ::)
That is not what he posted.
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Could you please PM me the material he posted for transparency?
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Confirmed for terrible. This is a joke, IMHO.
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A combination of factors lead to his ban (which by the way, is only three days). It isn't like we sentenced the guy to death by hanging or something.
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About time.
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I wish he'd just piss off. Pressing the "Show unread posts since last visit" link just yields pages of this dickhead's antisocial white noise. I don't want to waste 2-3 mins every time I come here to filter through threads he hasn't bumped or created.
At this point I would say he is deliberately ruining my and everyone else's enjoyment of the forum. And as such, why the hell are we putting up with it? Are we afraid he'll do something terrible? Or that he'll just keep evading bans and keep coming back spamming everything? That we continue with this incessant attack on our community because we fear he'll break more rules and spam in more places if we don't? You've made the dumbest person on this site, the most powerful and tyrannous threat to it. IP Ban him already. And set up a list of known tor nodes and ban them as well. And every time this cretinous behaviour rears its head again with a new account, IP ban that as well. Not for 3 days. Forever. 3 days isn't changing this knob jockey's attitude to posting. We don't need or want him here. Send him back to theflatearthsociety.org or over to Eric Dubay with all the other people we don't want to interact with. The internet is billions of sites. He can use one of those instead and probe its rules and dry hump their mods. With the power vested in you as mods and admins, let your finger descend like god's own hand from the heavens, and stick a bolt of lightning into this infidel. Click 'Ban' already. >o<
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I actually do enjoy the members of these fora, except Thork. That's why I keep my shit posting in CN.
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I wish he'd just piss off. Pressing the "Show unread posts since last visit" link just yields pages of this dickhead's antisocial white noise. I don't want to waste 2-3 mins every time I come here to filter through threads he hasn't bumped or created.
At this point I would say he is deliberately ruining my and everyone else's enjoyment of the forum. And as such, why the hell are we putting up with it? Are we afraid he'll do something terrible? Or that he'll just keep evading bans and keep coming back spamming everything? That we continue with this incessant attack on our community because we fear he'll break more rules and spam in more places if we don't? You've made the dumbest person on this site, the most powerful and tyrannous threat to it. IP Ban him already. And set up a list of known tor nodes and ban them as well. And every time this cretinous behaviour rears its head again with a new account, IP ban that as well. Not for 3 days. Forever. 3 days isn't changing this knob jockey's attitude to posting. We don't need or want him here. Send him back to theflatearthsociety.org or over to Eric Dubay with all the other people we don't want to interact with. The internet is billions of sites. He can use one of those instead and probe its rules and dry hump their mods. With the power vested in you as mods and admins, let your finger descend like god's own hand from the heavens, and stick a bolt of lightning into this infidel. Click 'Ban' already. >o<
I agree with all of this.
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I too aggree with all of this.
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Thork for mod! We need somebody with enough balls to ban those that are asking for it.
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I wish he'd just piss off. Pressing the "Show unread posts since last visit" link just yields pages of this dickhead's antisocial white noise. I don't want to waste 2-3 mins every time I come here to filter through threads he hasn't bumped or created.
At this point I would say he is deliberately ruining my and everyone else's enjoyment of the forum. And as such, why the hell are we putting up with it? Are we afraid he'll do something terrible? Or that he'll just keep evading bans and keep coming back spamming everything? That we continue with this incessant attack on our community because we fear he'll break more rules and spam in more places if we don't? You've made the dumbest person on this site, the most powerful and tyrannous threat to it. IP Ban him already. And set up a list of known tor nodes and ban them as well. And every time this cretinous behaviour rears its head again with a new account, IP ban that as well. Not for 3 days. Forever. 3 days isn't changing this knob jockey's attitude to posting. We don't need or want him here. Send him back to theflatearthsociety.org or over to Eric Dubay with all the other people we don't want to interact with. The internet is billions of sites. He can use one of those instead and probe its rules and dry hump their mods. With the power vested in you as mods and admins, let your finger descend like god's own hand from the heavens, and stick a bolt of lightning into this infidel. Click 'Ban' already. >o<
It's not that the staff is afraid of lolwut, (The accusation of which reads like a poorly attempted reverse-psychological stir to action. As if it's supposed to elicit a response like, "I'm not afraid of lolwut!!! Lets ban him so no one thinks I'm scared.") it's that the forums rules are designed to protect the user and allow as much freedom as possible. The problem is that lolwut is consummately abusing this freedom.
So we find ourselves at a crossroads; do we advocate for a loss of freedom to perhaps make the forums more desirable for more people or do we allow the freedom and try to ignore lolwut? Whatsmore, it's not simply a rule change. It goes against the ethos of tfes.org as it was founded partly in reaction to the strict and imprecise application of rules at the old site.
This was, possibly, inevitable. Ideally, I think the best action would be to correct the behavior through an appeal to lolwut's sense of decency (what I'm sure is a woefully small target). The root problem here is that the wonderfully open rule structure is quite easy to abuse and, sadly, as is human nature, someone will come along and ruin things to satiate their deviant sense of happiness.
Is the Zetetic Council still in effect? They may have the power to suggest and bring about a change if the society desires it. Slippery slope that is though.
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I wish he'd just piss off. Pressing the "Show unread posts since last visit" link just yields pages of this dickhead's antisocial white noise. I don't want to waste 2-3 mins every time I come here to filter through threads he hasn't bumped or created.
At this point I would say he is deliberately ruining my and everyone else's enjoyment of the forum. And as such, why the hell are we putting up with it? Are we afraid he'll do something terrible? Or that he'll just keep evading bans and keep coming back spamming everything? That we continue with this incessant attack on our community because we fear he'll break more rules and spam in more places if we don't? You've made the dumbest person on this site, the most powerful and tyrannous threat to it. IP Ban him already. And set up a list of known tor nodes and ban them as well. And every time this cretinous behaviour rears its head again with a new account, IP ban that as well. Not for 3 days. Forever. 3 days isn't changing this knob jockey's attitude to posting. We don't need or want him here. Send him back to theflatearthsociety.org or over to Eric Dubay with all the other people we don't want to interact with. The internet is billions of sites. He can use one of those instead and probe its rules and dry hump their mods. With the power vested in you as mods and admins, let your finger descend like god's own hand from the heavens, and stick a bolt of lightning into this infidel. Click 'Ban' already. >o<
It's not that the staff is afraid of lolwut, (The accusation of which reads like a poorly attempted reverse-psychological stir to action. As if it's supposed to elicit a response like, "I'm not afraid of lolwut!!! Lets ban him no so no one thinks I'm scared.") it's that the forums rules are designed to protect the user and allow as much freedom as possible. The problem is that lolwut is consummately abusing this freedom.
So we find ourselves at a crossroads; do we advocate for a loss of freedom to perhaps make the forums more desirable for more people or do we allow the freedom and try to ignore lolwut? Whatsmore, it's not simply a rule change. It goes against the ethos of tfes.org as it was founded partly in reaction to the strict and imprecise application of rules at the old site.
This was, possibly, inevitable. Ideally, I think the best action would be to correct the behavior through an appeal to lolwut's sense of decency (what I'm sure is a woefully small target). The root problem here is that the wonderfully open rule structure is quite easy to abuse and, sadly, as is human nature, someone will come along and ruin things to satiate deviant sense of happiness.
Is the Zetetic Council still in effect? They may have the power to suggest and bring about a change if the society desires it. Slippery slope that is though.
I would hope that no one is "afraid" of me as I pose no harm on the society. I am glad that my posts have spawned such a discussion which seems to be the nature of tfes.
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Don't be a dick is a rule. Is it not?
He just spams the place up. Hardly anyone responds, or readsthem. Spamming with big fonts, just to be a dick, and making hard for people on phones to scroll through. He is being a dick in everybodies face and probably laughing his ass off that he isn't permaband. The large font bs is what gets me pissed more than the stupid threads.
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Don't be a dick is a rule. Is it not?
He just spams the place up. Hardly anyone responds, or readsthem. Spamming with big fonts, just to be a dick, and making hard for people on phones to scroll through. He is being a dick in everybodies face and probably laughing his ass off that he isn't permaband. The large font bs is what gets me pissed more than the stupid threads.
Well PizzaPlanet has suggested a technical fix to the font problem which has obviously not been implemented.
I don't "spam the place up" you fucking idiot. Just CN which by definition states that if i have something that probably doesn't need to be said, post it there, which I do, then get threatened with ban messages by dumbshits. The fact that I'm still here makes me actually respect the mods. Not that they give a good god damn.
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Furthermore, as far as I can tell lolwut? is showing a lot of improvement. He's making mostly funny spam threads without walls of huge text again like back in the day (when nobody complained about him), yet you people are still asking for an unconditional permaban. If your arguments are really reduced down to "I don't want to see his posts in new posts" then sorry, we're not giving it any consideration.
I don't "spam the place up" you fucking idiot.
Personal insults towards other users are not allowed outside the lowest fora. Warned.
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I don't want him banned. If he breaks rules, then that will take care of itself. I like to see the forum active, which is why I wish we could've kept characters like Yakkov and EJ around. I'm not a huge fan of pushing boundaries just for the hell of it, but such is life. We know what the spirit of this place is, and that's fairly loose and open. I'll admit maybe we weren't prepared for a hybrid troll, and I'm just as guilty of that as anyone. Banning people sucks, let's avoid it if we can.
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Furthermore, as far as I can tell lolwut? is showing a lot of improvement. He's making mostly funny spam threads without walls of huge text again like back in the day (when nobody complained about him), yet you people are still asking for an unconditional permaban. If your arguments are really reduced down to "I don't want to see his posts in new posts" then sorry, we're not giving it any consideration.
I don't "spam the place up" you fucking idiot.
Personal insults towards other users are not allowed outside the lowest fora. Warned.
My faith in the mods of these fora is only strengthened. Gods bless. My apologies for the personal insult infraction as I was not aware of this rule. I will be sure to report any personal insults towards myself by other users to the moderators without delay. Thank you for this clarification.
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Why isn't lolwut allowed to post the content he posts in CN in any of the other fora, like the Lounge?
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Why isn't lolwut allowed to post the content he posts in CN in any of the other fora, like the Lounge?
Because of rules.
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I don't want him banned. If he breaks rules, then that will take care of itself. I like to see the forum active, which is why I wish we could've kept characters like Yakkov and EJ around. I'm not a huge fan of pushing boundaries just for the hell of it, but such is life. We know what the spirit of this place is, and that's fairly loose and open. I'll admit maybe we weren't prepared for a hybrid troll, and I'm just as guilty of that as anyone. Banning people sucks, let's avoid it if we can.
EJ was a troll that I didn't mind, and actually liked him. Yakkov I didn't like. I never wanted either of them banned. Lol was just messing up the ability to even read or respond to threads, which was just being a dick. He seems to have stopped the wall of huge font posting for now which is good. Stupid and disruptive and two different things. Stupid I can deal and identify with. Disruption there is no need for.
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Why isn't lolwut allowed to post the content he posts in CN in any of the other fora, like the Lounge?
Because of rules.
Right, and I'm trying to understand why a rule that prohibits disruptive behavior in the Lounge is qualitatively different from a rule that prohibits disruptive behavior in CN (or anywhere else).
I simply don't understand why you keep conflating these issues with banning a user for unpopular opinions. No one is suggesting that. What Thork and others are complaining about is behavior that degrades the experience of the users on this forum.
Here's the important part: We could definitely be wrong about this. Maybe his behavior isn't especially disruptive. Maybe most users don't notice. Maybe the ignore function is the perfect solution (it's a fine solution for me). Those things are all debatable. I don't see how it's debatable that this is anything at all like trying to ban someone because their posts are unpopular, or that anyone is asking for a user to be banned solely because "I'm garygreen and I demand that you moderate posts according to what I enjoy reading."
Think of it this way: if lolwut was a bot that posted 20 threads per day in CN with random words and phrases in them, I would be making the exact same arguments in favor of it being banned: disruption bad, good-user-experience good. It wouldn't be a request to "moderate based on my personal biases," nor would it act as a slippery slope to ban garygreen's posts becauase omg such unpopular opinions. Frankly, I don't get how lolwut is even distinguishable from such a bot.
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Frankly, I don't get how lolwut is even distinguishable from such a bot.
A bot has a purpose. It is trying to sell you something. lolwut has no purpose at all.
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I should probably remind you people yet again that we do not moderate based on your personal biases. Just try to lay off with the cognitive dissonance for a while and think about what you're actually suggesting. How many people are annoyed by Thork and Hoppy's posts and would rather not see them? Should we be permabanning those two as well while we're at it?
Why isn't lolwut allowed to post the content he posts in CN in any of the other fora, like the Lounge?
Because of rules.
Right, and I'm trying to understand why a rule that prohibits disruptive behavior in the Lounge is qualitatively different from a rule that prohibits disruptive behavior in CN (or anywhere else).
I simply don't understand why you keep conflating these issues with banning a user for unpopular opinions. No one is suggesting that. What Thork and others are complaining about is behavior that degrades the experience of the users on this forum.
Here's the important part: We could definitely be wrong about this. Maybe his behavior isn't especially disruptive. Maybe most users don't notice. Maybe the ignore function is the perfect solution (it's a fine solution for me). Those things are all debatable. I don't see how it's debatable that this is anything at all like trying to ban someone because their posts are unpopular, or that anyone is asking for a user to be banned solely because "I'm garygreen and I demand that you moderate posts according to what I enjoy reading."
Think of it this way: if lolwut was a bot that posted 20 threads per day in CN with random words and phrases in them, I would be making the exact same arguments in favor of it being banned: disruption bad, good-user-experience good. It wouldn't be a request to "moderate based on my personal biases," nor would it act as a slippery slope to ban garygreen's posts becauase omg such unpopular opinions. Frankly, I don't get how lolwut is even distinguishable from such a bot.
Literally anything could count as an "behaviour that degrades user experience" Thork degrades my my user experience. Saddam degrades my user experience. It's a completely worthless assessment and is absolutely nothing to go by.
If you only had an issue with massive walls of text then that's another thing, but like I said - lolwut? no longer does that and I frankly do not see how his recent posting is any more or less disruptive than anything else that gets posted in CN. If anything, I find his posts infinitely more valuable and entertaining than someone posting "50963" in the Number Thread or "8:00 had breakfast" in Get Involved. Of course you can choose to disagree, but unless you can come up with realistic reasons for banning him, your opinions quite simply don't matter.
Perhaps you're still stuck in last week because you're ignoring lolwut? and have no idea what he's actually posting?
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Literally anything could count as an "behaviour that degrades user experience" Thork degrades my my user experience. Saddam degrades my user experience. It's a completely worthless assessment and is absolutely nothing to go by.
So then what is the objective standard by which other rules are justified? What makes the rule set that says you can't spam The Lounge qualitatively different from a rule that says you can't spam [any other forum]? Or the rule set that prohibits posting science topics in A&E? Or no personal attacks? What is the worthwhile criterion for a good rule that gives us something objective to go by?
If you don't like the particular phrase "behaviour that degrades user experience," then that's fine. But please stop pretending that you don't understand that what Thork and others are saying is that whatever the standard is that legitimizes a rule like "don't shitpost in upper fora" could be, and should be, applied to what is essentially a bot spamming CN.
And, no, I don't agree that Thork or Saddam degrade your user experience of the forum. Can you elaborate on how that could be the case? You're the only one insisting that "endlessly spamming CN should be prohibited" is in any way equivalent to "I don't like reading Thork/Saddam/Garygreen opinions so they should be banned and their opinions prohibited."
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Saddam degrades my user experience.
Hey, fuck you too, asshole.
Anyway, if he's not ruining threads with giant fonts or pictures, he's harmless. There's no point in complaining about someone posting nonsense in the nonsense forum.
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Literally anything could count as an "behaviour that degrades user experience" Thork degrades my my user experience. Saddam degrades my user experience. It's a completely worthless assessment and is absolutely nothing to go by.
So then what is the objective standard by which other rules are justified? What makes the rule set that says you can't spam The Lounge qualitatively different from a rule that says you can't spam [any other forum]? Or the rule set that prohibits posting science topics in A&E? Or no personal attacks? What is the worthwhile criterion for a good rule that gives us something objective to go by?
If you don't like the particular phrase "behaviour that degrades user experience," then that's fine. But please stop pretending that you don't understand that what Thork and others are saying is that whatever the standard is that legitimizes a rule like "don't shitpost in upper fora" could be, and should be, applied to what is essentially a bot spamming CN.
And, no, I don't agree that Thork or Saddam degrade your user experience of the forum. Can you elaborate on how that could be the case? You're the only one insisting that "endlessly spamming CN should be prohibited" is in any way equivalent to "I don't like reading Thork/Saddam/Garygreen opinions so they should be banned and their opinions prohibited."
It seems you didn't respond to my question. I would like to know that you're up to date on the discussion before I bother replying to you.
Saddam degrades my user experience.
Hey, fuck you too, asshole.
Anyway, if he's not ruining threads with giant fonts or pictures, he's harmless. There's no point in complaining about someone posting nonsense in the nonsense forum.
w0w personal insults in S&C
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It seems you didn't respond to my question. I would like to know that you're up to date on the discussion before I bother replying to you.
Indeed, lolwut is on my ignore list.
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Well, in that case I suggest you look up what lolwut's posting is like now. Unless you can show how his current posting is any more disruptive than other CN content, then none of your arguments really bear any relevancy here.
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I don't "spam the place up" you fucking idiot. Just CN which by definition states that if i have something that probably doesn't need to be said, post it there, which I do, then get threatened with ban messages by dumbshits.
Did you ever consider the possibility that others might want to play in CN as well and that you incessant spamming is ruining their chance to have fun there? You act like an only child who was spoiled rotten and never learned to share.
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I don't "spam the place up" you fucking idiot. Just CN which by definition states that if i have something that probably doesn't need to be said, post it there, which I do, then get threatened with ban messages by dumbshits.
Did you ever consider the possibility that others might want to play in CN as well and that you incessant spamming is ruining their chance to have fun there? You act like an only child who was spoiled rotten and never learned to share.
It just happens that I have more things that don't need to be said than most people. If others have things that don't need to be said, feel free to poast them! I'll be sure to add my commentary.
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Annoyingly, simply ignoring a user doesn't fix the issue of them bumping all the threads. Being as this user is the first to reply to everything, everything has his name next to it as the last post. So I can't tell what anyone else has been posting without going in to them and most are just him bumping with idiot replies. Ignore should mean ignore, as in this person's actions just become invisible to me.
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Annoyingly, simply ignoring a user doesn't fix the issue of them bumping all the threads. Being as this user is the first to reply to everything, everything has his name next to it as the last post. So I can't tell what anyone else has been posting without going in to them and most are just him bumping with idiot replies. Ignore should mean ignore, as in this person's actions just become invisible to me.
Thanks for the info Thork!
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I'm not a programer so forgive me if this unatainably stupid but is there a way that a function can be added that you click against somebodies name and their posts do not show up at all for you, as I would press it without hesitation for this person alone.
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I'm not a programer so forgive me if this unatainably stupid but is there a way that a function can be added that you click against somebodies name and their posts do not show up at all for you, as I would press it without hesitation for this person alone.
Yes, of course! It's just code. I believe this software is written in PHP, which is easy enough to learn but rather nightmarish to main I would think. Great suggestion.
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There's an additional caveat - SMF is poorly-written PHP. Seemingly trivial tasks often turn out to be not so trivial.
There's a bunch of stuff that I want to implement, but I find myself lacking in either time or patience. That said, our codebase is open (http://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety), and I'm sure Parsifal will happily accept code from the community. If any code-literate FES'ers would like to see some changes, this would likely be the quickest route.
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There's an additional caveat - SMF is poorly-written PHP. Seemingly trivial tasks often turn out to be not so trivial.
There's a bunch of stuff that I want to implement, but I find myself lacking in either time or patience. That said, our codebase is open (http://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety), and I'm sure Parsifal will happily accept code from the community. If any code-literate FES'ers would like to see some changes, this would likely be the quickest route.
Interesting. I have no doubt that this PHP is poorly written as most PHP code is poorly written. I would be more than willing to submit some improvements to the code to our lord and savior PARDISFLA should he be willing to accept from my fucking ass. Obviously PizzaPlanet lacks the ability to resolve such issues technically and someone else needs to step in.
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Interesting. I have no doubt that this PHP is poorly written as most PHP code is poorly written. I would be more than willing to submit some improvements to the code to our lord and savior PARDISFLA should he be willing to accept from my fucking ass. Obviously PizzaPlanet lacks the ability to resolve such issues technically and someone else needs to step in.
A large part of the reason this forum works as well as it does is that SexWarrior and I spent a couple of months powering through many bugs and features back when we first went live. As always, real life caught up with both of us in the end, but there are also much fewer pressing changes that need to be made these days.
For my part, I'm seeing the sights in Europe at the moment. My journey comes to an end in less than two weeks, at which point I will hopefully be able to spend some time reviewing changes and/or writing code.
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Interesting. I have no doubt that this PHP is poorly written as most PHP code is poorly written. I would be more than willing to submit some improvements to the code to our lord and savior PARDISFLA should he be willing to accept from my fucking ass. Obviously PizzaPlanet lacks the ability to resolve such issues technically and someone else needs to step in.
A large part of the reason this forum works as well as it does is that SexWarrior and I spent a couple of months powering through many bugs and features back when we first went live. As always, real life caught up with both of us in the end, but there are also much fewer pressing changes that need to be made these days.
For my part, I'm seeing the sights in Europe at the moment. My journey comes to an end in less than two weeks, at which point I will hopefully be able to spend some time reviewing changes and/or writing code.
You have a thread with 50 replies and 500 views regarding potentially fundamental changes to how this forum operates and you claim that there are "much fewer pressing issues" compared to the past?
I may be a fucking dickhead shitposting troll, but certainly no one can disagree that I've drawn attention to and stirred up much needed discussion regarding the moderation of these fora.
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You have a thread with 50 replies and 500 views regarding potentially fundamental changes to how this forum operates and you claim that there are "much fewer pressing issues" compared to the past?
Given that there is only one such thread instead of ten, and that it's noteworthy precisely because it is unusual, yes.
I may be a fucking dickhead shitposting troll, but certainly no one can disagree that I've drawn attention to and stirred up much needed discussion regarding the moderation of these fora.
Yes, and insofar as that discussion involves only policy decisions, I'm quite happy for Blanko and junker to handle things while I'm on vacation. Regarding technical changes, SexWarrior is more than capable of implementing them.
If it turns out that there's no headway on either front by the time I get back home, then I'll take a more active role. But I'm definitely not the only person who can do anything around here; that's why we have more than one admin.
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You have a thread with 50 replies and 500 views regarding potentially fundamental changes to how this forum operates and you claim that there are "much fewer pressing issues" compared to the past?
As far as I'm concerned, you're far from a pressing issue, and you're certainly not multiple issues. Having 50 replies is also hardly a big deal - that's about as many as what Thork got when he complained about a relatively minor JS bug affecting a certain obscure browser (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3263.0).
The majority of this discussion could be avoided if the admins/mods stopped upholding the principles we expect of them and just banned you with popular support. If you think that mods refusing to do that is a "much needed discussion about the moderation of these fora", that's your prerogative.
I guess a lot of this is a matter of perspective. Your response of "all PHP code is bad code" makes me think I didn't stress enough just how bad SMF is. Think about it that way: you posting about cockshit is a considerably less pressing issue than SMF throwing a "database error" and denying access to anyone who tries connecting from an IPv6 address. That said, the easiest way for you to find out is to have a look at the code (https://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety/forum.tfes.org). This will also enable you to implement the changes you'd like to see without relying on me.
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You have a thread with 50 replies and 500 views regarding potentially fundamental changes to how this forum operates and you claim that there are "much fewer pressing issues" compared to the past?
As far as I'm concerned, you're far from a pressing issue, and you're certainly not multiple issues. Having 50 replies is also hardly a big deal - that's about as many as what Thork got when he complained about a relatively minor JS bug affecting a certain obscure browser (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3263.0).
The majority of this discussion could be avoided if the admins/mods stopped upholding the principles we expect of them and just banned you with popular support. If you think that mods refusing to do that is a "much needed discussion about the moderation of these fora", that's your prerogative.
I guess a lot of this is a matter of perspective. Your response of "all PHP code is bad code" makes me think I didn't stress enough just how bad SMF is. Think about it that way: you posting about cockshit is a considerably less pressing issue than SMF throwing a "database error" and denying access to anyone who tries connecting from an IPv6 address. That said, the easiest way for you to find out is to have a look at the code (https://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety/forum.tfes.org). This will also enable you to implement the changes you'd like to see without relying on me.
As if Pardisfla would accept code from my fucking ass. I'd drop in a hidden cockshit easter egg. Further, if SMF is so fucking horrible as you describe (which I don't doubt and will be having a look at the code later) why did you go with it in the first place?
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As if Pardisfla would accept code from my fucking ass. I'd drop in a hidden cockshit easter egg.
We're not John Davis.
Further, if SMF is so fucking horrible as you describe (which I don't doubt and will be having a look at the code later) why did you go with it in the first place?
Originally, it was for the sake of familiarity. We wanted to offer our users an easy transition to a forum that's pretty much the same as the one they were leaving, except better. Also, I don't know about Parsifal, but personally I didn't expect it to be quite as bad as it turned out to be. I expected issues, but I also expected core functionality to work out of the box. And nowadays, there's no longer any need to switch. As PARDISFLA pointed out, we've resolved most pressing issues.
Most outstanding matters are functionality requests, which we'd have to deal with one way or another. It might be easier to deal with them under a different CMS, you'd also have to account for the cost of getting said CMS to work the way we want. That would be a one-off, but it'd be a pretty big one, and we couldn't even know for sure if what we're switching to is better.
[I] will be having a look at the code later
Enjoy. (https://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety/forum.tfes.org/commit/0907919dbe59f53b8e1255e6418958cd26deb93b)
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As if Pardisfla would accept code from my fucking ass. I'd drop in a hidden cockshit easter egg.
You are aware that I am capable of reading PHP and understanding what it does, right? I don't need to trust you to accept your code.
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As if Pardisfla would accept code from my fucking ass. I'd drop in a hidden cockshit easter egg.
You are aware that I am capable of reading PHP and understanding what it does, right?
Nope.