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Title: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: jimster on January 15, 2021, 12:32:49 AM
There must be Trump supporters here, flat earth and Trump are both at heart conspiracy theories. What id the people storming the capital expect to happen?

Did they think they would take hostages, get their way, Pelosi would start doing whatever the Trumpers wanted through fear? Would they kill her and replace her with a Trumper? Then they all go home, back to their jobs, la-de-da? The legislature would vote to decertify the election? Announce that "everyone knew Trump would win, so if he didn't, there must have been fraud, so Trump is still president"?

Help me out on this, and no general answers. Vague answers enable delusion conspiracies, specific answers find the truth.

Anyone here understand how this was supposed to end in a good way for Trump? Details, please.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: honk on January 15, 2021, 04:15:41 AM
Storming the Capitol was crazy, but no crazier than the rest of the QAnon conspiracy theory that many of the rioters subscribed to. They probably planned to take hostages, and possibly even assault or kill legislators they viewed as traitors. Then the military would show up and give them a hero's welcome, because they're loyal to Trump. It's ludicrous nonsense, but it's not inconsistent with their worldview.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: AATW on January 15, 2021, 07:40:02 AM
I think you’re giving them too much credit if you think there was a plan. Emphasis on the “a”. I’m sure some of them had plans but I don’t believe for one minute there was a single coordinated plan. As I said elsewhere they were like a load of kids running around “playing revolution”. I’m sure a lot of them thought they were going to take back the country, hang the “traitors” and install Trump as President for life or something. I don’t think any of them had the faintest clue how to actually achieve that.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 15, 2021, 09:07:06 AM
Every leader rallying the crowd says thing like Trump did.

The civil rights movement, women's rights, eco lunatics they all say the same things

"Let's march on Washington", "Let's take the fight to them", "You have to fight for real change" ... it happens over and over. Only on this occasion a few of the police said "Come right on in" and that's when things got a bit weird.

But Trump didn't say anything incriminating. He just rallied his base to protest the congress building. He didn't say "Storm the building" or "Bring guns with you" or "break stuff when you get there".

Besides he isn't getting in trouble for this. He has broken no criminal law. And they can't try a civilian in the senate ... which he will be by then. So he simply doesn't have to attend and the senate will have no jurisdiction. Its all another dog and pony show by the Democrats.  ::)
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2021, 09:30:32 AM
Every leader rallying the crowd says thing like Trump did.

The civil rights movement, women's rights, eco lunatics they all say the same things

"Let's march on Washington", "Let's take the fight to them", "You have to fight for real change" ... it happens over and over. Only on this occasion a few of the police said "Come right on in" and that's when things got a bit weird.

But Trump didn't say anything incriminating. He just rallied his base to protest the congress building. He didn't say "Storm the building" or "Bring guns with you" or "break stuff when you get there".

Besides he isn't getting in trouble for this. He has broken no criminal law. And they can't try a civilian in the senate ... which he will be by then. So he simply doesn't have to attend and the senate will have no jurisdiction. Its all another dog and pony show by the Democrats.  ::)


And you'd be wrong.
1. He CAN be tried in the senate post term.  If found guilty he will lose all the perks of having been president and will not be allowed to run for president ever again.

2. He can be charged with inciting a riot/sedition.  While you can technically say "he didn't tell them to perform these actions" I'm not sure that matters.  The "mob boss" defense doesn't work.  An implied meaning is still a meaning even if you use non-bad words.  Like "Pay us some protection and we'll ensure this place is safe." Its technically not a "Pay us or we'll break things" but thats strongly implied.

Now I suggest you stop this rebellion before it comes to bite you in the ass.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: jimster on January 15, 2021, 01:15:47 PM
None of the replies answered my question, except to say they didn't think it through.

I think I figured it out myself. They expect they will get absolute power for Trump, martial law, pardons, and if the left (and rino never-Trumpers) doesn't like it, they can shut up.

At the inauguration, they will overpower the cops/national guard with overwhelming numbers. Trump will declare martial law. He will shut down msnbc, cnn, wash post, ny times, etc. He will fire everyone at the pentagon who opposes him. He will declare the election void. Some police and national guard will side with him. Pardons for all rioters.

I saw a Trump supporter in my neighborhood putting mountain bikes on his giant pickup truck last night. Maybe paranoid, but it just looked puzzling. Bikes will outmaneuver police and get through roadblocks meant to stop cars. Will police and national guard fire on white American citizens? They may need a lot of bullets. No hotel, no airbnb, no organization, just mobs coming in every direction.

They are jacked up and know we can't kill and jail them all. Will 100s of thousands come ready to storm police? If so, I suggest the police do not have a strategy for that.

They are aided by planning to do things that conventional people cannot imagine them doing, no more than anyone expected Jan 6.

One third of America is white supremacist authoritarian, and they have the presidency. The wisdom of the founding fathers gave Trump great power. The Constitution gives the presidency great power on the assumption that the people would never elect a person who would use it for personal gain and authoritarian power.

All you need is 1/3 of the senate. Keep firing generals and DOJ until they all go along, then you have it.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 15, 2021, 02:31:57 PM
There must be Trump supporters here, flat earth and Trump are both at heart conspiracy theories.

At the inauguration, they will overpower the cops/national guard with overwhelming numbers. Trump will declare martial law. He will shut down msnbc, cnn, wash post, ny times, etc. He will fire everyone at the pentagon who opposes him. He will declare the election void. Some police and national guard will side with him. Pardons for all rioters.

...

They are jacked up and know we can't kill and jail them all. Will 100s of thousands come ready to storm police? If so, I suggest the police do not have a strategy for that.

They are aided by planning to do things that conventional people cannot imagine them doing, no more than anyone expected Jan 6.


Sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory. Do you have any evidence for your conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 15, 2021, 02:43:15 PM
More than for election fraud lol
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 15, 2021, 02:56:22 PM
Conspiracy theories are not harmless, they hurt people.

Funny that someone who has previously come here to rant about conspiracies now has a conspiracy he wants to share and discuss with us.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2021, 03:33:10 PM
Conspiracy theories are not harmless, they hurt people.

Funny that someone who has previously come here to rant about conspiracies now has a conspiracy he wants to share and discuss with us.

Funny how quick you dismiss a conspiracy when you cling to every single one that fits your view.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 15, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
If you want people to entertain your conspiracy theory then you probably should not come here and rant against conspiracy theories. Fair enough?
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2021, 04:07:08 PM
If you want people to entertain your conspiracy theory then you probably should not come here and rant against conspiracy theories. Fair enough?

Sounds fair.  I look forward to hearing you appologize for dismissing jim's theory out of hand.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 15, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
I would prefer if the OP was apologizing to us about his previous comments.

But if you want my real opinion on it, I do think it's possible that Trump will take power with the military. They would be taking back the government as an act of pure self defense.

There are over 25K armed National Guard in Washington D.C. right now, allegedly protecting the Capitol Building against Trump supporters. If you look at the road closures, however, they are layered three blocks deep around the White House and only one block around the Capitol Building.

(https://i.imgur.com/2n2vJnu.jpg)

They are clearly protecting the White House from something. And I don't think it's Trump supporters.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: AATW on January 15, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
How would it be self defence?
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Iceman on January 15, 2021, 04:51:15 PM
How would it be self defence?
Self defense from the perils of democratic elections!
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
I would prefer if the OP was apologizing to us about his previous comments.

But if you want my real opinion on it, I do think it's possible that Trump will take power with the military. They would be taking back the government as an act of pure self defense.
That would be a literal military coupe.  You do know that, right?  That is what almost every single dictator in history has done.  Let me guess, next we should have open ballots and voting and have an armed soldier at each ballot box, watching you insert it to ensure you voted "correctly"?


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There are over 25K armed National Guard in Washington D.C. right now, allegedly protecting the Capitol Building against Trump supporters. If you look at the road closures, however, they are layered three blocks deep around the White House and only one block around the Capitol Building.

(https://i.imgur.com/2n2vJnu.jpg)

They are clearly protecting the White House from something. And I don't think it's Trump supporters.
You mean the spot that Biden is going to go after the innauguration?

Of course, they could be trying to isolate Trump.  Walls keep ya in and out, don't ya know?
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 15, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
And you'd be wrong.
1. He CAN be tried in the senate post term.  If found guilty he will lose all the perks of having been president and will not be allowed to run for president ever again.
ATTENTION EVERYONE! I would like you to see Lord Dave doing this again. He is presented with a fact, he doesn't like it and just flat out tells you that you are wrong without a shred of evidence to back his claim. It is very very annoying.

Trump CANNOT be tried as a civilian!
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.
Written by HOUSE DEMOCRAT Alan DERSHOWITZ!


2. He can be charged with inciting a riot/sedition.  While you can technically say "he didn't tell them to perform these actions" I'm not sure that matters.  The "mob boss" defense doesn't work.  An implied meaning is still a meaning even if you use non-bad words.  Like "Pay us some protection and we'll ensure this place is safe." Its technically not a "Pay us or we'll break things" but thats strongly implied.

Now I suggest you stop this rebellion before it comes to bite you in the ass.
Read the rest of the same article I just linked you to.

Don't just tell me I'm wrong without a source. You are wrong on both counts.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 15, 2021, 07:31:56 PM
Trump was impeached for the second time while holding office. Nothing you quoted conflicts with current events. The matter at hand is convicting him of his impeachment.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: honk on January 15, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.

The difference between Trump and any other private citizen that Congress hypothetically might want to bar from office in the future is that Trump is currently the president and is being impeached for something that he did while he was the president. It is a valid question as to whether or not an impeachment trial can constitutionally extend past a president's term, but as this situation has never come up before, there is no precedent, and it's far from as clear-cut in the Constitution as Dershowitz is making out. Speaking of him, again, Dershowitz is a distinguished and knowledgeable lawyer who has unfortunately turned to trolling in the final years of his career. His name doesn't lend the authoritative weight that it used to.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: stack on January 15, 2021, 09:11:05 PM
Trump CANNOT be tried as a civilian!
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.
Written by HOUSE DEMOCRAT Alan DERSHOWITZ!

When did Dershowitz get elected to the House?
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2021, 11:56:06 PM

Trump CANNOT be tried as a civilian!
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.
Written by HOUSE DEMOCRAT Alan DERSHOWITZ!
Err... are you SURE?
From what I found, Alan Dershowitz is not a house democrat.  He's a former professor of law, writing an opinion piece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz
He is part of the Democratic party, however.

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2. He can be charged with inciting a riot/sedition.  While you can technically say "he didn't tell them to perform these actions" I'm not sure that matters.  The "mob boss" defense doesn't work.  An implied meaning is still a meaning even if you use non-bad words.  Like "Pay us some protection and we'll ensure this place is safe." Its technically not a "Pay us or we'll break things" but thats strongly implied.

Now I suggest you stop this rebellion before it comes to bite you in the ass.
Read the rest of the same article I just linked you to.

Don't just tell me I'm wrong without a source. You are wrong on both counts.
Your sourse is an opinion piece.  Me, I'm gonna just go with the people who are literally making the laws, thanks.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 16, 2021, 05:26:07 PM

Trump CANNOT be tried as a civilian!
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.
Written by HOUSE DEMOCRAT Alan DERSHOWITZ!
Err... are you SURE?
From what I found, Alan Dershowitz is not a house democrat.  He's a former professor of law, writing an opinion piece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz
He is part of the Democratic party, however.

Yeah, I was in a rush because I had to go to work. I meant a card carrying democrat but I rushed the post. It does not take away from the fact that if Donald Trump refuses to defend himself, congress and the senate can't do squat because they will have no jurisdiction over him as a civilian. His best defence is no defence. Annnnnnnnnnd who is his defence lawyer? ... Oh, its Alan Dershowitz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Donald_Trump_(2020)

I wonder if TheDonald will bother attending a kangaroo court that has no jurisdiction over him? Impeachment is just a Democrat wet dream. They should move on and start concentrating on what to do about the reanimated corpse that they have nominated as their leader.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: garygreen on January 16, 2021, 08:01:41 PM
turnip is still in office. the impeachment has already happened. you're simply confused about how this process works and what words mean.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 16, 2021, 08:27:42 PM
turnip is still in office. the impeachment has already happened. you're simply confused about how this process works and what words mean.

The senate trial will be AFTER he is out of office and a civilian. He therefore just needs to not attend to not be charged. Why is this hard for people to understand? The senate has no jurisdiction over civilians.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 16, 2021, 08:44:13 PM
turnip is still in office. the impeachment has already happened. you're simply confused about how this process works and what words mean.

The senate trial will be AFTER he is out of office and a civilian. He therefore just needs to not attend to not be charged. Why is this hard for people to understand?

The trial isn’t about what Trump did as a private citizen (POTUS is a civilian), the trial is about what he was impeached for.  As Trump receives considerable government benefit as an ex-president, I am sure it is quite sound to try him for his impeachment. At the end of the day, none of us really knows, but there are lawyers who agree on both sides. It will be extremely difficult to get 17 GOP senate votes to convict as well, so I doubt this legal principle will be tested.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: jimster on January 16, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Tom Bishop:

My prediction is based on what they said in videos, interviews, tweets, etc. I do admit that none of them gave specific details, but they said they are committed to stopping Biden after demonstrating what they would do Jan 6. "We'll be back and we're bringing guns". Are you saying no one has any reason to believe there will be trouble Jan 20? They said what they intend, police and political leaders are preparing for it, it makes sense per their intention and demonstrated methods. It is at the very least a reasonable expectation.

The flat earth conspiracy theories hurt me personally. I lived at Edwards AFB and Lancaster CA, full of astronauts and scientists that were the parents of my friends and my heroes. FE makes them stupid or liar, including my father specifically. There are many examples, including those who have been led to believe Trump won and will be facing jail time because of what they did. FE has broken friendships, marriages, and de-culting out of FE is apparently a painful experience for at least one former FE I saw interviewed. Sandy Hook parents have talked about how that conspiracy theory has hurt them, from bringing the experience back constantly, to calling them liars to death threats. Well meaning people are going to jail because of ignorance and gullibillty.

You did give the only answer to my original question, but that answer is puzzling. If Trump is going to invoke Insurrection act and declare martial law (my pillow guy), How did storming the capitol help? Trump could do that (or fail at attempt) with or without the storming. So you came closest to answering, but not satisfying.

All the interviews I saw and things said by the stormers indicated they expected to go in, exert force and then politics would be changed and they would go back to their lives as if nothing would happen. What I wanted to know is what happens after they hang Mike Pence? The details, like "Trump pardons them and the rest of the legislature either realizes Trumpers were right all along or is terrorized into acquiescence", or ???

The entertainment for me is to have FEs explain the problems with their "models" with ever more ridiculous theories. At its best, it creates completely un-selfconscious stand up comedy.


Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 16, 2021, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: jimster
My prediction is based on what they said in videos, interviews, tweets, etc. I do admit that none of them gave specific details, but they said they are committed to stopping Biden after demonstrating what they would do Jan 6. "We'll be back and we're bringing guns". Are you saying no one has any reason to believe there will be trouble Jan 20? They said what they intend, police and political leaders are preparing for it, it makes sense per their intention and demonstrated methods. It is at the very least a reasonable expectation.

I haven't seen evidence that that there is mass planning of protests on Jan 17 or Jan 20.

TheDonald hasn't either -

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2021/01/happening-now-largest-trump-group-in.html

https://thedonald.win/p/11S0NdA5KB/a-note-on-protests/

https://thedonald.win/p/11S0gMhDoT/when-the-fbi-and-libs-say-trump-/c/

You would think that the calls for mass protest would have spread to the largest Trump site on the internet if tens of thousands of people were organizing mass protests.

Quote from: jimster
You did give the only answer to my original question, but that answer is puzzling. If Trump is going to invoke Insurrection act and declare martial law (my pillow guy), How did storming the capitol help? Trump could do that (or fail at attempt) with or without the storming. So you came closest to answering, but not satisfying.

What makes you think that Trump asked anyone to storm the Capitol? He said to be peaceful at the Capitol.

Here is the transcript: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot

Trump says in that: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Quote from: jimster
The flat earth conspiracy theories hurt me personally. I lived at Edwards AFB and Lancaster CA, full of astronauts and scientists that were the parents of my friends and my heroes. FE makes them stupid or liar, including my father specifically.

Sounds like you should ask your father to pay more attention and stop lying.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: stack on January 16, 2021, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: jimster
My prediction is based on what they said in videos, interviews, tweets, etc. I do admit that none of them gave specific details, but they said they are committed to stopping Biden after demonstrating what they would do Jan 6. "We'll be back and we're bringing guns". Are you saying no one has any reason to believe there will be trouble Jan 20? They said what they intend, police and political leaders are preparing for it, it makes sense per their intention and demonstrated methods. It is at the very least a reasonable expectation.

I haven't seen evidence that that there is mass planning of protests on Jan 17 or Jan 20.

TheDonald hasn't either -

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2021/01/happening-now-largest-trump-group-in.html

https://thedonald.win/p/11S0NdA5KB/a-note-on-protests/

https://thedonald.win/p/11S0gMhDoT/when-the-fbi-and-libs-say-trump-/c/

You would think that the calls for mass protest would have spread to the largest Trump site on the internet if tens of thousands of people were organizing mass protests.

Ahead of Biden inauguration, FBI Director Wray warns of 'concerning online chatter'
FBI Director Christopher Wray warned Thursday that authorities are monitoring calls for "potential armed protests" in Washington D.C. and state capitols around the country ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

Top national security officials detailed their preparations for the inauguration at a briefing with Vice President Mike Pence. Wray said the FBI was "seeing an extensive amount of concerning online chatter" ahead of the event, which will take place just two weeks after supporters of President Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in an unprecedented security breach.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-inauguration-fbi-director-wray-warns-of-concerning-online-chatter
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 17, 2021, 12:04:30 AM
Yeah but Tom finds it hard to believe. Checkmate, atheists.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 17, 2021, 07:08:01 AM

Trump CANNOT be tried as a civilian!
Quote from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/534269-congress-broke-two-records-in-impeachment-of-donald-trump
Fourth, by trying to put Trump on trial in the Senate after he leaves office, the House violated the provision that allows Congress to remove a sitting president and, only if the Senate decides to remove him by a vote, could it add the sanction for a future disbarment from running for office. Congress has no authority over any president once he leaves office. If Congress had the power to impeach a private citizen to prevent him from running in the future, it could claim jurisdiction over millions of Americans eligible to be candidates for president in 2024. This would be a perilous interpretation of the Constitution which would allow the party in control of Congress to impeach a popular candidate and preclude him from running.
Written by HOUSE DEMOCRAT Alan DERSHOWITZ!
Err... are you SURE?
From what I found, Alan Dershowitz is not a house democrat.  He's a former professor of law, writing an opinion piece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz
He is part of the Democratic party, however.

Yeah, I was in a rush because I had to go to work. I meant a card carrying democrat but I rushed the post. It does not take away from the fact that if Donald Trump refuses to defend himself, congress and the senate can't do squat because they will have no jurisdiction over him as a civilian. His best defence is no defence. Annnnnnnnnnd who is his defence lawyer? ... Oh, its Alan Dershowitz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Donald_Trump_(2020)

I wonder if TheDonald will bother attending a kangaroo court that has no jurisdiction over him? Impeachment is just a Democrat wet dream. They should move on and start concentrating on what to do about the reanimated corpse that they have nominated as their leader.

And you'd be wrong.  Again.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-14/trump-struggles-to-build-legal-team-as-impeachment-trial-nears

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Alan Dershowitz, a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, also defended Trump the first time around. He isn’t planning to represent the president now, but added that Trump’s remarks to protesters are protected under the First Amendment and that the Constitution doesn’t allow an impeachment trial after a president has left office.


Secondly, congress has power over private citizens.  They can hold you in contempt of congress which can invole prison time as punishment.  Ask William P. MacCracken, Jr.

They can also direct the DOJ to investigate.

The constitution doesn't mention anything about an impeachment trial needing to take place during an elected officials time in office.  It says...

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Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

So basicaly they can only remove him and bar him from office.  But afterwards, he can be charged and tried for his crimes in a court.  Which is probably going to weigh heavy on what congress decided.

If you know of a section that states they can't have a trial after he leaves office, please quote it here.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 17, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
Again Lord Dave, you are talking with authority over things you do not know.

Literally no one knows because there is no precedent. But let me give you the tl;dr of 6 of the best lawyers in the US.

Source ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/

Wittington’s verdict: Difficult, but plausible.
Amar’s verdict: Not only possible — possibly necessary at times.
Krent’s verdict: Not possible, would be overkill.
Garber’s verdict: Not possible.
Somin’s verdict: Maybe, but the courts would have to give guidance.
Bowman’s verdict: Unknowable, but “not a crazy claim.”

On balance ... I don't think it is very likely. I also see it as an own goal for the Dems. It will be used against them next time they find themselves with a minority in the house and you might also see them going after dead presidents ... first using the old "but he encouraged slavery" type of argument and then moving into the Reagans, Clintons, Bushes etc to erase their legacies. It's a dreadful policy to chase an ex-President. Problem is, you have that deranged old cunt Pelosi who is a nasty nasty piece of work and will piss on the constitution in an instant if it means she can settle a personal vendetta. I think the US will regret voting in this shower. As much as there was a lot of noise made about Trump, Biden is going to be far more problematic for average Americans. He's already planning to give away all your jobs and put you all on a ubi under the guise of coronavirus.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 17, 2021, 12:35:32 PM
Again Lord Dave, you are talking with authority over things you do not know.

Literally no one knows because there is no precedent. But let me give you the tl;dr of 6 of the best lawyers in the US.

But you were just saying it wasn’t allowed.

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I wonder if TheDonald will bother attending a kangaroo court that has no jurisdiction over him?

Maybe you should have a little humility, instead of telling Dave he doesn’t know?

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Source ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/

Wittington’s verdict: Difficult, but plausible.
Amar’s verdict: Not only possible — possibly necessary at times.
Krent’s verdict: Not possible, would be overkill.
Garber’s verdict: Not possible.
Somin’s verdict: Maybe, but the courts would have to give guidance.
Bowman’s verdict: Unknowable, but “not a crazy claim.”

On balance ... I don't think it is very likely. I also see it as an own goal for the Dems. It will be used against them next time they find themselves with a minority in the house and you might also see them going after dead presidents ... first using the old "but he encouraged slavery" type of argument and then moving into the Reagans, Clintons, Bushes etc to erase their legacies. It's a dreadful policy to chase an ex-President. Problem is, you have that deranged old cunt Pelosi who is a nasty nasty piece of work and will piss on the constitution in an instant if it means she can settle a personal vendetta. I think the US will regret voting in this shower. As much as there was a lot of noise made about Trump, Biden is going to be far more problematic for average Americans. He's already planning to give away all your jobs and put you all on a ubi under the guise of coronavirus.

Articles of impeachment were passed while Trump is in office. That is materially different than trying to impeach Reagan 30 years later.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 17, 2021, 01:11:15 PM
Maybe you should have a little humility, instead of telling Dave he doesn’t know?
Don't be ridiculous.

Articles of impeachment were passed while Trump is in office. That is materially different than trying to impeach Reagan 30 years later.
It isn't. They are both civilian status. If you are going to start making laws up as you are going along ... then you can make up whatever you like. There is no precedent for impeaching dead presidents either. You could equally test the law here too. The sensible choice is to leave this alone ... but they won't.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 17, 2021, 01:25:24 PM
Maybe you should have a little humility, instead of telling Dave he doesn’t know?
Don't be ridiculous.

Articles of impeachment were passed while Trump is in office. That is materially different than trying to impeach Reagan 30 years later.
It isn't. They are both civilian status. If you are going to start making laws up as you are going along ... then you can make up whatever you like. There is no precedent for impeaching dead presidents either. You could equally test the law here too. The sensible choice is to leave this alone ... but they won't.

Trump was impeached while in office, you keep acting as if that hasn’t happened. If you are going to ignore relevant parts of what I write, then perhaps don’t waste your time responding. The sensible choice is to leave this alone... but you won’t.

Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr David Thork on January 17, 2021, 02:03:40 PM
The Senate acquitted Trump. So impeached or not, he was not disqualified from holding office. All it did was show that the Dems didn't like him and had greater numbers in Congress. That is literally all it showed.

Again congress move for impeachment. But again, they need a senate to convict him. And again, the senate might not, and not because they don't want to, but because they don't have the jurisdiction to judge him after he is out of office. You know what I am saying is factually correct. Why do you keep squealing "But Trump will be impeached!"?

It is you that is ignoring the relevant parts. That this is Democrat theatre and unlikely to have any effect at all. But its not about that is it? Biden was a shit candidate. No one voted for Biden. They voted against Trump. And so Biden's first policy is to go after Trump. It's a crowd pleaser. It isn't serious. It's like the manifesto promise "Build a wall". About as likely to get done.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 17, 2021, 02:18:21 PM
The Senate acquitted Trump. So impeached or not, he was not disqualified from holding office. All it did was show that the Dems didn't like him and had greater numbers in Congress. That is literally all it showed.

Again congress move for impeachment. But again, they need a senate to convict him. And again, the senate might not, and not because they don't want to, but because they don't have the jurisdiction to judge him after he is out of office. You know what I am saying is factually correct. Why do you keep squealing "But Trump will be impeached!"?

It is you that is ignoring the relevant parts. That this is Democrat theatre and unlikely to have any effect at all. But its not about that is it? Biden was a shit candidate. No one voted for Biden. They voted against Trump. And so Biden's first policy is to go after Trump. It's a crowd pleaser. It isn't serious. It's like the manifesto promise "Build a wall". About as likely to get done.

Oh maybe you just don’t understand the process. So removing a president from office in this way has two milestones that must be met consecutively: impeachment and conviction. Impeachment has already happened. This is the second time he has been impeached (a record!) So the question of whether or not he can be impeached after leaving office is irrelevant to this matter, it’s already happened. Whether or not he can be convicted is the question of some debate, but as Dave pointed out, there doesn’t appear to be an explicit barrier to his conviction and considering the multi-million dollar benefit he will receive as an ex-president it would seem sound to be able to pursue matters that were begun during his tenure. I don’t know if I’m right, but I hope the Senate convicts and I get to find out because you know Trump will litigate the fuck out of this whether he has a case or not.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 17, 2021, 05:28:41 PM
As with all things the constitution didn't plan for, if he is convicted, it will be challenged and the courts will decide and a new precident will be made.

And congress can do it.  They can strip him of his pension and right to hold office.   Whether it sticks is another matter. 
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: stack on January 17, 2021, 05:46:23 PM
As with all things the constitution didn't plan for, if he is convicted, it will be challenged and the courts will decide and a new precident will be made.

And congress can do it.  They can strip him of his pension and right to hold office.   Whether it sticks is another matter.

Precisely. This "no precedent" argument has zero bearing as to whether there will be a trial or not in the Senate. The way things would go down if convicted in the Senate is exactly how you described. It would happen, litigation ensues, appeals. Probably reaches SCOTUS. SCOTUS acts/doesn't act; Rules, sets precedent - Or kicks it back down to the previous Federal District Court ruling, essentially sets precedent.

I guess the only alternative route would be that somehow someone files something right now to try and stop it and courts somehow decide in the next week whether it's a go/no go. Seems unlikely.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: AATW on January 17, 2021, 05:48:26 PM
Again congress move for impeachment. But again, they need a senate to convict him. And again, the senate might not, and not because they don't want to, but because they don't have the jurisdiction to judge him after he is out of office. You know what I am saying is factually correct.
Why do you keep stating this so definitely when you literally just pasted a load of links to various sources which has no real consensus.
It’s never happened so we just don’t know whether it can or what it would mean.
Gut feel is they won’t convict anyway so it’s all moot.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Fortuna on January 17, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
The left has done everything Trump and his supporters have done: propagate wild conspiracy theories (rUsSiAn cOlLuSiOn), protest and cause violence, whip up supporters into frenzies on Twitter, they both have militant terrorist factions, they both have constituents who subscribe to hateful, fundamentalist views. The difference is that the left are hailed as mostly peaceful civil rights heroes and largely get away with their bullshit. At least, social media giants and the MSM let them get away with it. If you don't see it, you're probably neck deep in delusion and Twitter blue checkmark propaganda.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on January 17, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
The left has done everything Trump and his supporters have done: propagate wild conspiracy theories (rUsSiAn cOlLuSiOn), protest and cause violence, whip up supporters into frenzies on Twitter, they both have militant terrorist factions, they both have constituents who subscribe to hateful, fundamentalist views. The difference is that the left are hailed as mostly peaceful civil rights heroes and largely get away with their bullshit. At least, social media giants and the MSM let them get away with it. If you don't see it, you're probably neck deep in delusion and Twitter blue checkmark propaganda.

No One:

Fortuna: The left is just as bad as the right, sheeple!!!

That being said, what you said is mostly accurate. We could debate about which motivations for illegal actions is more just, but it doesn’t seem worthwhile.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on January 18, 2021, 07:59:02 AM
The left has done everything Trump and his supporters have done: propagate wild conspiracy theories (rUsSiAn cOlLuSiOn), protest and cause violence, whip up supporters into frenzies on Twitter, they both have militant terrorist factions, they both have constituents who subscribe to hateful, fundamentalist views. The difference is that the left are hailed as mostly peaceful civil rights heroes and largely get away with their bullshit. At least, social media giants and the MSM let them get away with it. If you don't see it, you're probably neck deep in delusion and Twitter blue checkmark propaganda.

Maybe but in fairness, Russia did try to influence the election (and likely succeded).  Trump hasn't shown any tangible evidence that Democrats rigged this election.

Also, we kinda stopped after the impeachment trial.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on February 05, 2021, 07:56:56 PM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on February 05, 2021, 08:54:57 PM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

To be fair, I think he does have some health issues and it's not just a snowflake request.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: JSS on February 05, 2021, 09:06:52 PM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

To be fair, I think he does have some health issues and it's not just a snowflake request.

Mental health issues for sure, which still makes him a snowflake, just a crazy one.

He should eat the same crap all the other inmates get.  There are zero medical conditions which require 'organic' food which is just a made up designation anyway.  ::)
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on February 05, 2021, 09:19:24 PM
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He should eat the same crap all the other inmates get.  There are zero medical conditions which require 'organic' food which is just a made up designation anyway.  ::)

Yeah!  When I got arrested, uh, I mean when my friend got arrested nobody gave a shit about any special dietary needs
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on February 05, 2021, 09:52:01 PM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

To be fair, I think he does have some health issues and it's not just a snowflake request.

Mental health issues for sure, which still makes him a snowflake, just a crazy one.

He should eat the same crap all the other inmates get.  There are zero medical conditions which require 'organic' food which is just a made up designation anyway.  ::)

Organic is not made up, actually.
"All Natural" is actually more made up (though really its just meaningless).  But Organic requires specific rules to call something organic.  And its not impossible that someone is allergic to some kind of pesticide commonly used.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Clyde Frog on February 05, 2021, 10:38:54 PM
Everything I've seen seemed to indicate it was more of a religious preference than anything else, because he claims to actually follow Shamanism and part of his belief is that he must eat organic food.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on February 05, 2021, 10:49:34 PM
Everything I've seen seemed to indicate it was more of a religious preference than anything else, because he claims to actually follow Shamanism and part of his belief is that he must eat organic food.

Yeah, I think I misunderstood the story I had seen earlier on.  Fuck him if he can't eat prison gruel.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: JSS on February 05, 2021, 11:01:22 PM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

To be fair, I think he does have some health issues and it's not just a snowflake request.

Mental health issues for sure, which still makes him a snowflake, just a crazy one.

He should eat the same crap all the other inmates get.  There are zero medical conditions which require 'organic' food which is just a made up designation anyway.  ::)

Organic is not made up, actually.
"All Natural" is actually more made up (though really its just meaningless).  But Organic requires specific rules to call something organic.  And its not impossible that someone is allergic to some kind of pesticide commonly used.

Organic is totally made up.  The specific rules are made up, and pesticides are allowed in organic crops, sometimes the same ones in non-organic foods.  It's a total scam, I know farmers that run organic fields next to their non-organic fields because they can use the same pesticides on both. 

Worse, nobody actually tracks what pesticides organic farms use. 

As for being allergic to pesticides, they can be allergic to organic certified pesticides too, so no help there.

I highly doubt this guy is allergic to a pesticide, pesticide allergies are exceedingly rare.  Besides, even if he had an allergy he would be getting organic food because that is a valid medical condition.  He isn't claiming he is allergic, he's claiming he needs it to maintain his religious purity.

So this guy is just a snowflake. There is no legitimate reason he has to eat organic food.  I mean, what did he do 10 years ago when there wasn't any certified organic food?  No... he's a snowflake.  A whiny snowflake.

Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: jack44556677 on February 06, 2021, 12:45:57 AM
I agree that prisoners (or just those accused of crimes) do not deserve humane treatment of any kind and should be forced to eat the same substandard, non-nutritive, and pesticide/preservative poisoned shit the rest of the slaves do (and die of untimely organ failure from).
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Rama Set on February 06, 2021, 01:54:04 AM
I agree that prisoners (or just those accused of crimes) do not deserve humane treatment of any kind and should be forced to eat the same substandard, non-nutritive, and pesticide/preservative poisoned shit the rest of the slaves do (and die of untimely organ failure from).

Wow so edgy.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on February 06, 2021, 05:02:59 AM
This pisses me off, it may have to go to Angry Ranting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/q-anon-shaman-judge-organic-food/index.html

I know all kinds of people who have been arrested for all kinds of things. None of them have ever been catered to like this.

That traitorous Putin Pawn snowflake should be fed dogshit. It is organic.

To be fair, I think he does have some health issues and it's not just a snowflake request.

Mental health issues for sure, which still makes him a snowflake, just a crazy one.

He should eat the same crap all the other inmates get.  There are zero medical conditions which require 'organic' food which is just a made up designation anyway.  ::)

Organic is not made up, actually.
"All Natural" is actually more made up (though really its just meaningless).  But Organic requires specific rules to call something organic.  And its not impossible that someone is allergic to some kind of pesticide commonly used.

Organic is totally made up.  The specific rules are made up, and pesticides are allowed in organic crops, sometimes the same ones in non-organic foods.  It's a total scam, I know farmers that run organic fields next to their non-organic fields because they can use the same pesticides on both. 
https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/labeling

The USDA disagrees.  If your farmer friend is spraying unapproved pesticides on both crops and certifying his organic crop, kindly fire off an email so his ass can be fined. 

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Worse, nobody actually tracks what pesticides organic farms use. 
Except the USDA.

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As for being allergic to pesticides, they can be allergic to organic certified pesticides too, so no help there.

I highly doubt this guy is allergic to a pesticide, pesticide allergies are exceedingly rare.  Besides, even if he had an allergy he would be getting organic food because that is a valid medical condition.  He isn't claiming he is allergic, he's claiming he needs it to maintain his religious purity.

So this guy is just a snowflake. There is no legitimate reason he has to eat organic food.  I mean, what did he do 10 years ago when there wasn't any certified organic food?  No... he's a snowflake.  A whiny snowflake.
Religious exemption is a thing.  As for what he did.  Ever heard of "Kosher"? 
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: JSS on February 06, 2021, 12:16:24 PM
Religious exemption is a thing.  As for what he did.  Ever heard of "Kosher"?

It's only a thing for 'established religions' and he is claiming to be a shaman which is a specific thing.

Eating organic food isn't part of being a shaman.

Otherwise I could claim I can only eat pizza and burgers in jail because of my religion, which could be anything I wanted to pick. Or make up.

There are limits here, and he can claim all he wants he 'needs' organic food. But he doesn't.  He's just a whiny snowflake.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on February 06, 2021, 01:00:09 PM
Religious exemption is a thing.  As for what he did.  Ever heard of "Kosher"?

It's only a thing for 'established religions' and he is claiming to be a shaman which is a specific thing.

Eating organic food isn't part of being a shaman.

Otherwise I could claim I can only eat pizza and burgers in jail because of my religion, which could be anything I wanted to pick. Or make up.

There are limits here, and he can claim all he wants he 'needs' organic food. But he doesn't.  He's just a whiny snowflake.

Well then yes, I agree.
I thought he was Jewish.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Clyde Frog on February 07, 2021, 12:21:18 AM
Eating organic food isn't part of being a shaman.
I don't take issue with your declaration that he's being a big baby. But I think the statement above is heavily in "it really depends" world. The whole deal with being a shaman is having what you believe to be a very strong connection to nature and the land, and a sort of balance with eating what you need in a way that is in keeping with your place in nature. The fact that this guy is out very much attention-seeking and shit-stirring leads me to believe that he's probably not very well steeped in shamanic culture at all though, and is just running with an identity that was more or less thrust upon him because he was dressing like a weirdo and someone probably said "hey look at that shaman-looking guy saying all the crazy stuff over there!"

But here's where I guess I could see where the judge is coming from. If you're going to say "I don't believe this particular person is genuine in their plea for consideration based on religious needs," you best be prepared to litigate exactly where that line is, because the appeals are going to come in hot and fast, and it's going to be not just that person's lawyers now, but human rights attorneys that are chomping at the bit to make a big spectacle about the religious persecution that their new client is being made the victim of.

In short, fuck this guy in particular, but there are almost certainly other people that consider themselves shamans and believe it is their moral and religious obligation to eat organically.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: jimster on February 08, 2021, 01:25:07 AM
The issue of whether Trump can be impeached after leaving office is not clear in the Constitution. Not interested in that argument.

i (op) wanted to know what they expected to happen after they rushed the capitol. No one answered that. I am curious about two things:

First, what impact would their actions have? Would Nancy Pelosi start supporting Trump out of fear? Would they kill her and Trump replace her with a Trump supporter? Why would they not continue as before after the emergency, or the people appointed to replace them do the same as before? How does this work to affect the future actions of the legislature? Would the entire govt be pulled down and replaced by the guy with the horns? He (or one of his compatriots) said something like "Well, we're here, we should pass some laws or something." How was that ever going to work?

Second, did they think they could beat a cop to death and just go home and continue life as usual?

I suspect they didn't think it through, I am guessing they were operating on pure emotion with no thought to the practical side of things. Like a gorilla beating his chest, with little more plan or intention.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on February 08, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
The issue of whether Trump can be impeached after leaving office is not clear in the Constitution. Not interested in that argument.

i (op) wanted to know what they expected to happen after they rushed the capitol. No one answered that. I am curious about two things:

First, what impact would their actions have? Would Nancy Pelosi start supporting Trump out of fear? Would they kill her and Trump replace her with a Trump supporter? Why would they not continue as before after the emergency, or the people appointed to replace them do the same as before? How does this work to affect the future actions of the legislature? Would the entire govt be pulled down and replaced by the guy with the horns? He (or one of his compatriots) said something like "Well, we're here, we should pass some laws or something." How was that ever going to work?

Second, did they think they could beat a cop to death and just go home and continue life as usual?

I suspect they didn't think it through, I am guessing they were operating on pure emotion with no thought to the practical side of things. Like a gorilla beating his chest, with little more plan or intention.

1. They thought Trump was with them. So.. lol.
2. Mob mentality with no leader.  So they just did what each person thought to do.  Trash stuff, steal stuff, selfies, and some wanted to murder politicians.
3. No, they did not think things through.  They rarely do.
Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on February 10, 2021, 01:34:17 PM
It's gotta hurt when truth and reality slap you down...

The Shaman a-hole has just woke up from life's bitch slap.

https://www.abc27.com/news/i-was-wrong-period-qanon-shaman-apologizes-for-entering-capitol/

Just like those dumbasses that spent money on the Donald's get-rich-quick VHS video series, there comes a moment when you finish the last of the five tapes and realize you've been screwed. He could have talked to any of the idiots that graduated Trump university years ago and they would have told him that Trump is a lying flim-flam man that has bankrupted everything he ever touched.

“I am deeply disappointed in former President Trump. He was not honorable. He let a lot of peaceful people down. I have to leave judging him up to other people,” said Chansley.

He also said his time in jail has allowed him to start to reanalyze his life. He said there was a lot that happened leading up to Jan. 6, and explained that he is trying to focus on what is important at this time, which is apologizing.


Good Morning Snowflake!

Can you imagine what he would tell the Trump supporters here?




Title: Re: What did they think would be the end of the story?
Post by: Lord Dave on February 10, 2021, 02:24:32 PM
It's gotta hurt when truth and reality slap you down...

The Shaman a-hole has just woke up from life's bitch slap.

https://www.abc27.com/news/i-was-wrong-period-qanon-shaman-apologizes-for-entering-capitol/

Just like those dumbasses that spent money on the Donald's get-rich-quick VHS video series, there comes a moment when you finish the last of the five tapes and realize you've been screwed. He could have talked to any of the idiots that graduated Trump university years ago and they would have told him that Trump is a lying flim-flam man that has bankrupted everything he ever touched.

“I am deeply disappointed in former President Trump. He was not honorable. He let a lot of peaceful people down. I have to leave judging him up to other people,” said Chansley.

He also said his time in jail has allowed him to start to reanalyze his life. He said there was a lot that happened leading up to Jan. 6, and explained that he is trying to focus on what is important at this time, which is apologizing.


Good Morning Snowflake!

Can you imagine what he would tell the Trump supporters here?

Before or after they brand him as a Traitor?