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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:51:39 PM »

Two more weeks...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:49:43 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/trump-house-gop-leaders-reject-senate-border-ukraine-aid-deal

They are not.

Holy shit, I think that all the news I read about BILLIONS IN AID to the Ukraine must have been FAKE NEWS!
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts#:~:text=The%20Joe%20Biden%20administration%20and,Economy%2C%20a%20German%20research%20institute.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:45:58 PM »

When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are "fabricating' it.

The implication in the way you use that word is that they are trying to deceive. This is untrue.
If it were they wouldn't mark visualisations as such, they wouldn't state when images are composites.

That is the point. Any images purported to to originate from "outer space," are intended to deceive.

The images of "exoplanets," are the same, even more so.

Yes they are.

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/blue-marble-photo-50th-anniversary-snap-scn/index.html

The iconic photo, known as “Blue Marble,” was taken by NASA astronauts Eugene “Gene” Cernan, Ronald Evans and Harrison Schmitt on December 7 using a Hasselblad camera and a Zeiss lens, about 45,000 kilometers (28,000 miles) away from home, as the Apollo 17 crew made its way to the moon.


"Oh my God, look at that picture over there! There's the Earth coming up. Wow, is that pretty!" Bill Anders shouted at fellow astronaut Jim Lovell. "You got a colour film, Jim? Hand me a roll of colour, quick, would you?"
"That's a beautiful shot," said Lovell as Anders clicked the shutter and captured what has become one of the world's most famous photographs.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230511-earthrise-the-photo-that-sparked-an-environmental-movement

NASA as a source again. They already admitted to photoshopping the earth on several occasions, I think one of those instances was on Earthrise.

I fixed that last part, as there is nothing to support the claim it is required.

it doesn't need supporting, it's an obvious truth. Someone referenced the story of the 5 blind men and the elephant above and it's a good analogy. The men all felt different parts of the elephant and came to different conclusions about what an elephant must be like. None of them had enough data to be correct. In the same way, looking around your local area and thinking "looks flat to me!" is not sufficient to determine the reality of its shape, that observation can be explained in multiple ways. One of which is that the earth is flat, but alternative evidence shows that it is not.

It is an obvious truth only to you and re-adherents. Given the great amount of evidence right up against us, and the well-documented instances of space agencies of various countries fabricating data, the alternative evidence can be summarily dismissed.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:33:25 PM »

I may have missed it, but it seems there was nothing in your reply that actually contradicted anything I wrote. So, thank you for posting the confirmations.

Right, I wasn't contradicting you.  Except that this is not generally true "It is important to note the routes taken today have remained essentially unchanged."  Most of the routes today are nothing at all like they were when bubble sextants were the in thing.

No, I was just adding some information that's more up-to-date than your Sopwith Camel vintage stuff.

Do I always have to contradict someone?

If the routes are different, I would expect you to post evidence of that. You didn't. As a matter of fact, however, the example you provided with Lindbergh is very much "essentially," the same as those taken today.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 12:39:27 PM »

-snipped for brevity


Everything you are saying can simply be turned around and used as evidence against a flat earth as well. For example:

- The spherical earth is based on direct evidence that anyone can see. If you do not like the spherical earth, it remains based on the evidence right up against all of us.

^Must assume additional evidence not immediately against us in order to even make the statement.

- Why are you rehashing the "sinking ship"? AATW put that to bed a while ago.

AATW has done nothing of the sort.  Tom clearly stated the effect was inconsistent. Which it is, despite AATW's protestations otherwise. He goes on to write that because all ships (we might as well add any object traveling on any surface) traveling away from the observer disappear from view eventually, it must be due to the horizon based on Earth's sphericity. Well, the fact is there are limits on visual acuity and other factors at play. In one thread, he tried to foist off a picture of a masted ship behind a very evident wave as evidence of globe earth and was slapped down very quickly by Pete.

- You think you would see the same stars showing themselves in different hemisphere's, but they don't? Why?

No, nobody thinks that. The reason is the evidence shows they are not visible to everyone in different areas of the flat earth plane. They would not because the stars occupy different areas of the celestial sphere above our heads.

- Flat Earth Community members have been demonstrably shown to lie to the public at large. That is a fact. (for a few examples, refer to "Behind the Curve").

I am unfamiliar with Behind the Curve. I do not know if they lied or not in the documentary. If they did, it does not alter the evidence right up against us.

- Samuel Rowbotham has been proposing and showing a flat disk earth in book's to the public at large for over 100 years.

Samuel Rowbotham is dead. His book lives on.

- I suppose you are going to tell us this was all real too.

The evidence right up against us is very real.

Have you ever considered an opposite argument to your belief that space is a hoax, where:
- perhaps it is because jet air travel does exist that aircraft manufacturers have been demonstrably shown to lie. (i.e. they are competing and will do everything they can to win air travel dominance -- i.e. the Boeing 737 Max scandell.)

Everybody lies. Relevance to your OP? Or more OP derailment by the author?

- perhaps it is because hybrid and electric vehicle ground travel does exist that auto manufacturers have been demonstrably shown to lie. (i.e. they are competing and will do everything they can to win auto travel dominance -
- i.e. the Volkswagen scandell).

Looks like more OP derailment by the author.

- perhaps it is because space travel does exist that space companies (agencies and private alike) have been demonstrably shown to lie (i.e. they are competing to win space travel dominance and be first to explore -- i.e. the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster)

Space travel dominace? LOL! They all cooperate!

You really should just take a break. You are all over the place and have lost the ability to formulate cogent statements in support of your view.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 09:32:15 AM »

Not one bit of what you provided had to do with 2016.

What about the US Government that is interested in securing the US border?

Seems they are more interested in securing the borders of Ukraine (against Putin, by the way) and Israel.

Can you even see straight, given all the crapola you have spewed lately?

WEAK...Weak...

We had a deal to strengthen the border that everybody liked but your daddy Trump ordered his minions to kill it before they even read it.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/05/trump-maga-senate-border-deal-mcconnell

Trump wants to screw up this country and tell us that he is the cure.

You remind me of the frightened senior citizens living in Northern Minnesota stockpiling weapons to fight off waves Mexican immigrants sweeping through the countryside. They believe all the stupid shit they see on NewsMax and don't understand where the food in this country really comes from.

Dude, you were ten years old in 2016. You think Trump is securing the nation and it's borders? He couldn't even secure his own twitter account (hacked 3 times).

Dude, you think the Republicans are supporting Putin, yet are voting to spend billions in support of Ukraine in defense of their border against Putin.

You are very funny. Cannot even keep your own story straight.

Umm... They aren't doing that.  They are, very loudly, saying they won't unless Israel gets a bunch of money.  Or were.  Now they want to scrap everything because their god said so.

Umm...they are.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 09:30:31 AM »

Action80 - when applying your own words, you are also implying that flat earth is a fabrication and science fiction, just like Hollywood.

"When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are "fabricating' it."
 - Flat Earth models are creations coming from FE minds, thus by your above standard flat earth is a fabrication.

"These people are accepted by the gullible populace as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others."
- Equally so, these people (Rowbotham, Carpenter, Shenton, Lady Blount, Sargent, Nathan Thompson, David Weiss, etc.) are accepted by the gullible populace (the flat earth community) as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others.

Incorrect, as the evidence for what is offered in support of flat earth is readily apparent to any observer on the flat earth. It can be garnered individually by each and every person. It is not a figment of imagination.

The argument that you using is inconsistent and a poor one at best.

You first lay out your standard as to why something is a fabrication: "When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are 'fabricating' it"


It is then pointed out to you that all flat earth models / animation models are coming from someone's mind, therefore are fabrications.

The models I propose are based on direct evidence that anyone can see.

That is the difference. If you do not like the models or like the models, they remain based on the evidence right up against all of us.

You then seem to say that your own fabrication standard doesn't apply to flat earth fabrications because every observer only see's a flat earth. And yet, the same can be said that every observer only see's a spherical earth (i.e. I look out over the sea and every-time I observe a ship move away from me it is disappearing bottom first; I can see certain stars from the northern hemisphere but not in the southern hemisphere, etc.). It can be garnered individually by each and every person. It is not a figment of imagination.

Why are you rehashing the debunked "sinking ship"? Tom put that to bed a long time ago.

You think you would see the same stars showing themselves at different places on the celestial sphere above our heads if you change your position on the flat earth plane below? Why?

Furthermore, photo's of a spherical earth taken from space that come from a camera (or video camera) are not coming from the mind and so therefore are not fabrications but then you will deem them to be fabrications or fakery because of your belief in a space travel conspiracy or hoax that are coming from these people (TFES, Sargent, Nathan Thompson, David Weiss, etc.) and are accepted by the gullible populace (you and the flat earth community) as experts.

NASA has been demonstrably shown to lie to the public at large. That is a fact.

Universal Studios has been showing a revolving globe earth on screen to the public at large for nearly 100 years.

I suppose you are going to tell us this was all real too.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:24:43 AM »

https://hartzellprop.com/pilots-navigate-skies-gps/#:~:text=Celestial%20Navigation,altitude%20of%20a%20celestial%20body.

Thanks for providing that.  Short but sweet.  It was enough for me to do some additional research.

It seems the use of celestial bodies kind of went out of favor just after WWII.  Ground based VHF Omnidirectional Range (VOR) Stations began to be deployed in 1950 and rapidly became the mandated method of navigation for commercial air travel.
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/twenty-years-gps-and-instrument-flight



Apparently, in 1983 GPS was first authorized for use on commercial flights by Ronald Reagan and has now essentially phased out VOR.
https://aerospace.org/article/brief-history-gps

It is important to note the routes taken today have remained essentially unchanged.

This is not generally true.  The planes back in the celestial navigation days were not capable of long haul flights.  So most longer routes were done by flying zig-zag patterns to airports in range to make fueling stops. Some routes starting in the late 1930s when planes had more range, like Lindberg's flight from NY to Paris, did roughly use great circles.  Those are still in use today (a bit more accurate though), but their geometry would make little sense on a flat earth.

Lindberg's route:


Modern route:

As far as transcribing patterns of the celestial sphere above to the flat earth plane below, there are multitudes of ancient earthly temples still in existence today that provide very visible evidence of this fact.

Quite possibly so, but not of much interest to me right now and of little application today.

I may have missed it, but it seems there was nothing in your reply that actually contradicted anything I wrote. So, thank you for posting the confirmations.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:22:17 AM »

Action80 - when applying your own words, you are also implying that flat earth is a fabrication and science fiction, just like Hollywood.

"When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are "fabricating' it."
 - Flat Earth models are creations coming from FE minds, thus by your above standard flat earth is a fabrication.

"These people are accepted by the gullible populace as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others."
- Equally so, these people (Rowbotham, Carpenter, Shenton, Lady Blount, Sargent, Nathan Thompson, David Weiss, etc.) are accepted by the gullible populace (the flat earth community) as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others.

Incorrect, as the evidence for what is offered in support of flat earth is readily apparent to any observer on the flat earth. It can be garnered individually by each and every person. It is not a figment of imagination.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 06, 2024, 05:14:54 PM »

These people are accepted by the gullible populace as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others.

This is simply untrue. You're mixing up two things. Three really.
The first is images which are visualisations - depictions of exoplanets and so on. Those aren't "fabrications".

When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are "fabricating' it.

When they mark them as visualisations they're not "admitting" anything. This language implies an attempt at deception. If there was attempt at deception then why would they mark them as visualisations? These things are created to stir the imagination. You're not far off with science fiction, but like much science fiction it's based in reality. They use the data they have about exoplanets and use that to visualise what they might look like. They're not making any claim that they're real photos. And it's certainly not all they are doing.
The second is composite images, or images which have been enhanced. These are real photos, they've just been processed digitally. Like I said, you do this too every time you take a panoramic picture or use your phone's colour balance or cropping tools. This processing is done to make the images clearer, and does not indicate any deception or fakery.
Then there are just photos. There are plenty of those. Sure, the versions you see online are probably compressed and that might mean they have artefacts in, that doesn't mean the originals have been manipulated in any way and NASA have the raw versions on their website.

There are plenty of threads clearly documenting the admitted lies published by NASA.

The scans (not actual photos in the sense of point-and-shoot camera like here on earth) taken from high up are stiched together.

Some are, some aren't. The blue marble is just a photo, taken with a camera on film. The same for earthrise.

They are not point-and-shoot.

The flat map exists.

Does it? Cool. Can you link me to it. The Wiki has multiple maps on it, which one is definitive?

Any map you have ever used is flat.

The supposed distances between various points on the earth are extrapolated only from the given travel times.

This is incorrect. Travel times are a reasonable proxy for distance, but you can use Google Maps to find the distance between places and compare it with measurements you take mistake. There's a reason that as you zoom out the curve of the earth is now shown. Before that the world was extensively surveyed. There's a whole field of geodetic surveying which takes the earth's curve in to account.

Google maps is just like using a Rand McNally Atlas for travel between distances people usually take. When you zoom out, they render some false image of a globe, based on translating the celestial sphere above to the flat surface below to jive the numbers with the waypoints.

I am not going to rehash a bunch of crap about geodetic surveyors which Tom has already effectively addressed, and to which you and all other RE-adherents simply utter "nuh - uh."

The actual straight-line distances are not known as they are not able to be taken due to the methods used for long-distance travel where waypoints are not visible at ground level.

Also not true. It hasn't been true for centuries since Harrison cracked the problem of accurate timepieces at sea - using those and combining it with celestial observations meant that ships knew where they were. And it's definitely not true in the era of GPS.

You got to match the timepiece with something and when it comes to travel over the oceans, those are marks above the head. Thank you for acknowledging the celestial observations, though. Seems like you might be catching on after all.

The routes taken are the routes based on the celestial sphere routes that have transcribed down to the flat earth plane, routed by the star patterns overhead.

This is just incorrect. They're based on the great circle route between those two points.

The great circle of course being the one formed by the celestial sphere above our heads and mimicked on the flat plane below.

There is no distortion on any useful travel map.

Right.

Thank you for conceding the point.

"alternative evidence" is required worthy of dismissal.

I fixed that last part, as there is nothing to support the claim it is required.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 06, 2024, 02:25:02 PM »

Not one bit of what you provided had to do with 2016.

What about the US Government that is interested in securing the US border?

Seems they are more interested in securing the borders of Ukraine (against Putin, by the way) and Israel.

Can you even see straight, given all the crapola you have spewed lately?

WEAK...Weak...

We had a deal to strengthen the border that everybody liked but your daddy Trump ordered his minions to kill it before they even read it.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/05/trump-maga-senate-border-deal-mcconnell

Trump wants to screw up this country and tell us that he is the cure.

You remind me of the frightened senior citizens living in Northern Minnesota stockpiling weapons to fight off waves Mexican immigrants sweeping through the countryside. They believe all the stupid shit they see on NewsMax and don't understand where the food in this country really comes from.

Dude, you were ten years old in 2016. You think Trump is securing the nation and it's borders? He couldn't even secure his own twitter account (hacked 3 times).

Dude, you think the Republicans are supporting Putin, yet are voting to spend billions in support of Ukraine in defense of their border against Putin.

You are very funny. Cannot even keep your own story straight.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 06, 2024, 03:49:58 AM »

Action80,

You mentioned that the flat earth works. Going back to my original OP question: if Antarctica is an outer ring around a flat earth plane, how does 24 hours of sunlight in Antarctica work all the way around the ring during the summer solstice months?   

I do not believe that Antarctica is a ring. I have no independently gleaned evidence there is 24 hours of sunlight anywhere on the flat earth other than regions around Alaska and the Scandinavian countries.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 06, 2024, 03:46:35 AM »

The routes taken are the routes based on the celestial sphere routes that have transcribed down to the flat earth plane, routed by the star patterns overhead.

This is interesting and quite a new concept to me.  I'm not a pilot nor an aircraft navigator.  Do you have an independent source you could share so that we can learn a bit more about it?

https://hartzellprop.com/pilots-navigate-skies-gps/#:~:text=Celestial%20Navigation,altitude%20of%20a%20celestial%20body.

It is important to note the routes taken today have remained essentially unchanged.

As far as transcribing patterns of the celestial sphere above to the flat earth plane below, there are multitudes of ancient earthly temples still in existence today that provide very visible evidence of this fact.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 05, 2024, 10:25:49 PM »

I have read it. It's a pdf in a folder on my desktop. 400 pages. I study that shit. I have screen shots from Russian websites, I download and translate documents. All your conservative heroes are there.

Uh huh...

The Mueller Report is still available for download...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

You should download a copy and STFU.

Wow, instead of giving me all the hot specifics of your claims, you tell me "just read it yourself" right after claiming you've read it when you obviously have not. This is just embarrassing, why are you doing this? Like, why bother posting about it at all?

I guess it's tough to keep your worldview in line with your beliefs when your beliefs are based on a few op-ed's you read three years ago.

I just went through all this with Pete a few posts ago and you missed it just like the first time you missed it 2016.

But don't worry, You don't need to read anything, you can just listen to Trump. It's all a hoax. Russia is your friend.



U.S. Department of Justice
Attorney Work Product // May Contain Material Protected Under Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)II. RUSSIAN “ACTIVE MEASURES” SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN
The first form of Russian election influence came principally from the Internet Research
Agency, LLC (IRA), a Russian organization funded by Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin and
companies he controlled, including Concord Management and Consulting LLC and Concord
Catering (collectively “Concord”).2 The IRA conducted social media operations targeted at large
U.S. audiences with the goal of sowing discord in the U.S. political system.3 These operations
constituted “active measures” (активные мероприятия), a term that typically refers to operations
conducted by Russian security services aimed at influencing the course of international affairs.4
The IRA and its employees began operations targeting the United States as early as 2014.
Using fictitious U.S. personas, IRA employees operated social media accounts and group pages
designed to attract U.S. audiences. These groups and accounts, which addressed divisive U.S.
political and social issues, falsely claimed to be controlled by U.S. activists. Over time, these
social media accounts became a means to reach large U.S. audiences. IRA employees travelled to
the United States in mid-2014 on an intelligence-gathering mission to obtain information and
photographs for use in their social media posts.
IRA employees posted derogatory information about a number of candidates in the 2016
U.S. presidential election. By early to mid-2016, IRA operations included supporting the Trump
Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton. The IRA made various expenditures to carry
out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S.
persons and entities. Some IRA employees, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their
Russian association, communicated electronically with individuals associated with the Trump
Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities, including the
staging of political rallies.5 The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons
knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA’s interference operation.
By the end of the 2016 U.S. election, the IRA had the ability to reach millions of U.S.
persons through their social media accounts.

etc, etc, etc...


Yep, the Russians were behind "KIDS4TRUMP," "Tea Party News," and all kinds of other Trump crap that you gobble up.
Putin's calling upon you to "Be Patriotic" "Stop All Invaders" and "Secure the borders!" (all Russian Facebook groups) Putin wants what's best for our country.


It's probably best that you didn't read any of it and have no clue. If you knew the truth about Republicans, you wouldn't believe it anyway.
Just one Russian Facebook group made over 80,000 postings that got lots of likes from idiotic rednecks that will eat something they find on the sidewalk without thinking.

BTW- That was 2016. Today, Russia is promoting the stolen election lie and predicting civil war for America. You have Putin, Trump and Jesus all still working hard for the causes you believe in and support.

Not one bit of what you provided had to do with 2016.

What about the US Government that is interested in securing the US border?

Seems they are more interested in securing the borders of Ukraine (against Putin, by the way) and Israel.

Can you even see straight, given all the crapola you have spewed lately?

WEAK...Weak...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 05, 2024, 10:21:26 PM »

Why be careful when the word fabricate is exactly what they do. You wrote it yourself, naturally accompanied by the "they have my blessing," reasons.

The implication in the way you're using the word is that they are creating fake images intended to fool you.
Creating visualisations of what they imagine exoplanets might look like, or of future missions, isn't deceptive so long as they clearly indicate that's what the image is. Which, as you said at the start, they do. You used the word "admitting" - even that word implies they're up to something. When they clearly mark visualisations as such that isn't an admission, it's just clarity and transparancy.

These people are accepted by the gullible populace as experts, when all they are doing is producing more science fiction, just like Hollywood. Fabrication. You buy into it willingly, as do many others.

The composites are stitched together to match whatever image the editors wish to produce.

True up to a point, but in order to make a composite you have to have a series of photos of the object you're making a composite of. I visited the Grand Canyon some years back and I have some panoramas of where I was. Those are composite images, but in order to create that composite I had to be at the Grand Canyon. The images aren't faked.

True up to all points. No half-assing it. The scans (not actual photos in the sense of point-and-shoot camera like here on earth) taken from high up are stiched together.

Four elements?

I think you mean 4 states of matter.

I'm not sure I do.

https://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/4270_The_Four_Elements.html

But in any case those aren't the 4 states of matter either, that model was replaced by a better one when a better one came along.

Yeah, not important. They are the four states of matter, though.

The flat earth works.

Does it, though?
It's not even possible to make a flat map with the known distances between cities being represented to a consistent scale.
There always has to be some distortion. Why? If the earth is flat then it should just be a matter of scaling down.

The flat map exists. The supposed distances between various points on the earth are extrapolated only from the given travel times. The actual straight-line distances are not known as they are not able to be taken due to the methods used for long-distance travel where waypoints are not visible at ground level. The routes taken are the routes based on the celestial sphere routes that have transcribed down to the flat earth plane, routed by the star patterns overhead.

There is no distortion on any useful travel map.

A full world map is useless in this regard.

Your point is moot.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 05, 2024, 01:54:48 PM »

Space agencies have already admitted to fabricating images and altering the images released to the public.

Well, firstly, let's be careful about the word "fabricating". Space agencies do produce images which are intended to show what future missions may look like, or they're imaginings of what, say, exoplanets may look like. But, as you say, they're always clearly labelled as such so they're not evidence of anything underhand going on. They're not claiming they're real pictures of something.
As for altering yes, they admit they're producing composite images, they admit they're enhancing images. As I said, every time you take a panorama or use your phone's photo editing tools you are altering an image. That doesn't mean the image is fake.

Why be careful when the word fabricate is exactly what they do. You wrote it yourself, naturally accompanied by the "they have my blessing," reasons.

The composites are stiched together to match whatever image the editors wish to produce.

The flat earth was the accepted model before the globe earth model.

Right. Like there being 4 elements - earth, water, fire, air - was an accepted model before we understood about real elements. Like Newton's model of gravity was the accepted model before Einstein. As we, as a species, have understood more about nature newer models have always replaced older ones. The globe earth model replaced the flat earth one - that happened thousands of years ago. The heliocentric model replaced the geocentric one. That happened centuries ago. But the point is when that happens the newer model replaces the older one because it's better - it makes predications, it fits better with what we observe.

Four elements?

I think you mean 4 states of matter.

No. It doesn't.

The flat earth works.

There is a sphere, but it is celestial. It is rotating above our heads.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 04, 2024, 04:19:44 PM »

From one of my original OP questions: curious to know if you are 100% confident that space travel doesn't exist and is a conspiracy OR do you have some doubts about space travel being a conspiracy and not existing?

In your rotating celestial sphere setup that you mention, is the local Sun the same diameter as the flat Earth plane?     

I am relatively confident that outer space travel does not exist.

While I believe the earth to be flat, I am unsure if it is in the form of a circle. I do not observe the sun to be equivalent to the diameter or breadth of the flat earth plane.

Thanks and I do appreciate your answer.

You had mentioned "Building a tower to heaven has always been the dream of man and this supposed space travel is simply another step in that practice" and that "Satan and his minions want to reoccupy their former seats near the throne."

My follow up question (out of curiosity) would be: does religion or do your religious beliefs play a factor in terms of supporting your relative confidence that space travel does not exist and your belief that the earth is a flat plane?

No.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 04, 2024, 03:25:59 PM »

From one of my original OP questions: curious to know if you are 100% confident that space travel doesn't exist and is a conspiracy OR do you have some doubts about space travel being a conspiracy and not existing?

In your rotating celestial sphere setup that you mention, is the local Sun the same diameter as the flat Earth plane?     

I am relatively confident that outer space travel does not exist.

While I believe the earth to be flat, I am unsure if it is in the form of a circle. I do not observe the sun to be equivalent to the diameter or breadth of the flat earth plane.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 04, 2024, 10:01:32 AM »

I agree. The "alternative evidence," should be assessed and checked for reliability.

It seems it is fairly lacking, given the multitude of alterations and outright fabrications offered by the presenters.

It should be instantly rejected.

Well fair enough. I’m interested to know what you mean by alterations. I “alter” photos all the time - I crop them, use tools to change the colour balance. Sometimes I create composite images (that’s what a panorama is, your camera or phone stitches multiple photos together). None of these “alterations” indicate the photo is in any way fake.
I’m also interested what you mean by fabrications. You can allege things are fabricated, that doesn’t make you correct.

But photos/video from space are only part of the evidence for space travel. There’s also witness testimony, from astronauts and now some private citizens. There’s the fact rocket launches can be witnessed. There’s the technologies we use daily which rely on satellites. There’s the ISS which can be directly observed from the ground.

It’s worth noting that space exploration is not the only evidence for a globe earth. The earth being a globe was the accepted model for thousands of years before we had the ability to launch things in to orbit and beyond. Space travel is the final nail in the FE coffin, which is why a common FE tactic is to simply call it all fake. But space travel is only a small part of the evidence for a globe earth. Just looking around and saying “looks flat to me” is simplistic, you need to look at alternative evidence to determine the true shape. Space travel is simply part of that alternative evidence.

Space agencies have already admitted to fabricating images and altering the images released to the public.

The flat earth was the accepted model before the globe earth model.

Building a tower to heaven has always been the dream of man and this supposed space travel is simply another step in that practice.

Satan and his minions want to reoccupy their former seats near the throne.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 04, 2024, 09:57:20 AM »

Yes, you are correct...I started the OP.

But, "somebody" (and I'm not going to mention names) contributed to going off tangent when they communicated their observations of their desktop being flat and similarly perceiving and concluding in the same manner the Earth to be flat. 

Feel free to answer either of the two original OP questions.
- I would especially be curious to get your take one of the questions regarding: the accuracy of a referenced YouTube video in the Wiki that uses a solid piece of glass dome to model the Earth's atmosphere and a flashlight to simulate the FE local Sun, where the flashlight's diameter representing a local Sun is about the same size as the solid piece of glass dome representing a flat earth.

I did not contribute to going "off-tangent", as I was addressing the issue of the reasons for rejecting "alternative evidence" (i.e., space travel evidence) when you are right up against the evidence in plain view.

I have not watched the referenced YouTube video.

I do not know what material comprises the dome.

There is a rotating celestial sphere above our heads and the sun is part of that sphere.

That is my opinion.