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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Civilians in Space

« on: September 16, 2021, 03:51:29 PM »

If you follow any space news you will have heard about SpaceX's Inspiration4 mission by now. This mission is particularly interesting for a few reasons: The capsule is crewed entirely by civilians, it's flying higher than the ISS and every other mission since Hubble, and the crew will be at that altitude for three days straight.

SpaceX has been sharing photos and videos from the flight this morning, suffice to say the curvature of the earth is clearly visible.

Netflix also has a documentary about the events leading up to this flight. https://www.netflix.com/title/81441273

As spaceflight costs come down and these commercial flights become more commonplace, it's increasing important for the flat earth community to have a clear rebuttal to this type of evidence.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1438359359898066944?s=20

BWHAHAHA!!!

You're actually gonna try and tell us these photos were taken in space?

That is absolutely hilarious!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 16, 2021, 03:49:53 PM »

You don't even want try to answer? Telling.

Yes, I agree it is telling.

It tells of my further progress made in avoiding your low-quality trolling efforts here on this forum.

If you have an actual point, try expressing that rather than what you want to paint as hypocrisy on my part.

My position is not hypocritical and your position that you can discern hypocrisy in any form from anyone is shot to pieces with your last few posts.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 16, 2021, 03:44:52 PM »

Totally preventable with a vaccine

Written as if that could actually be known.

Speaks volumes as to the level of education they provide in australia.

Evidently as non-existent as the continent itself.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 10:54:34 PM »

No, you're trying to make other people afraid. Obviously you're not afraid, you're railing against something your previously stated personal philosophy suggests you're actually indifferent to. That kind of makes your fearmongering worse.

IF you somehow believe I am indifferent to governmental interference regarding private medical decisions, then your beliefs are as unfounded as your intellect.

But why? If your opinion is we all die anyway so who cares how or how quickly, why does this even matter to you?

They're just beds, really. Nothing is being done to help them because they are going to die anyway.

It looks like life and well-being take on some significance when you think it supports your argument, but you don't give a shit about either when it doesn't. It's just hypocritical.

As an aside, are you okay with it when insurance companies make such private medical decisions for people? That's the system we have in this country now; insurance companies decide who lives or dies in many cases. Does that make you angry too?

Also I assume you're pro-choice?

Funny how you believe a statement of fact =opinion.

Insight is your friend.

Try to exercise that more than your feeble trolling.

Ivermectin now showing results in Africa,  Japan,  India.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 10:29:22 PM »

If that's worth a watch, then this is worth a read

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/


Too long to quote but suffice to say, I'm getting my 2nd shot of Pfizer today

See you on www.sorryantivaxxer.com where I'll be sure to LOL at you

The article you provide has a fkng strawman right off the bat:

"Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?"

He isn't trying to undermine the vaccine.

If you're going to continue in your habit of posting lies, you need to leave.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 10:00:27 PM »

This is Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccine technology. Worth a listen.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 06:52:45 PM »

long unnecessary quote block

Please, for the sake of anyone who might actually agree with you someday, learn to use the quote function

Please, stay on topic and have a nice day.

The FDA has not approved any version of the Covid vaccine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Holy shit, vegans suck

« on: September 14, 2021, 06:44:19 PM »

the way we utilize animals for food is not sustainable

"We interrupt this thread to make the following special announcement! Despite thousands of years of real life evidence to the contrary, the ability to raise meat for human consumption will suddenly end because I want it to in my dreams!"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Holy shit, vegans suck

« on: September 14, 2021, 06:40:34 PM »

murder is only bad

Do you know what murder is?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Holy shit, vegans suck

« on: September 14, 2021, 06:35:23 PM »

The fact remains that science flourished in the Christian world, and far outside the boundaries under former Islamic control.

^This is just wrong as all get out.

No way, no how Christianity has contributed as much to scientific inquiry as Islam.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 05:53:55 PM »

No, you're trying to make other people afraid. Obviously you're not afraid, you're railing against something your previously stated personal philosophy suggests you're actually indifferent to. That kind of makes your fearmongering worse.

IF you somehow believe I am indifferent to governmental interference regarding private medical decisions, then your beliefs are as unfounded as your intellect.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 05:22:32 PM »

I don't know what you are talking about regarding tax law but there are several laws/statutes violated by holding an EUA and FDA approval simultaneously for the same product.

It's all in the lawsuit, check it out! https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/CHD-v.-FDA-Submitted-Complaint-8.31.21.pdf

I'm sure there are a lot of cases being brought regarding vaccines, masks, mandates, etc. But to simply say "there are several laws/statutes violated by holding an EUA and FDA approval simultaneously for the same product" is not doing any due diligence into how the laws are written.

In the case you cited it states, "The FDA purportedly managed to do what the law forbids: "approve" a vaccine but not revoke any Emergency Use Authorized vaccines for the same indication." Just because they wrote that in their complaint doesn't mean that it is a fact.

And they reference their interpretation of what I copied and pasted from the FDA regarding EUA's and "approvals". This particular case, sponsored by this "childrens health defense", from the complaint, they have previously filed to have Pfizer not get FDA approval and requested all EUA's be revoked. If you read the complaint it's a lot more about making it so mandates can't be mandated, so to speak. And this "can't have an approved vaccine and EUA's at the same time," business is sort of a trojan horse to get the real issue addressed: Mandates, especially in the private sector.

Obvi the courts will decide this, but I see no where where you can't have EUA's and Approved vaccines at the same time - Especially regarding the FDC's wording around , "available" & "adequate". It comes down to the language.

Yeah, more double speak.

You like to bring up available and adequate but ignore the word approved.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 05:20:37 PM »

If government has the authority to do this, then they will also have authority to pull you off life support.

If it was from someone who refused to get the vaccine, to save the life of someone who got the vaccine, I'd be all for it.

If you're gonna be a dumbass about something that could save your life you deserve to die.

Roundy's position = Pull life support from anyone for any cause, not just Covid!

Thanks for solidifying your evil intent for all, Roundy.

Can you explain how it's evil, when they were going to die anyway? Whether pulled from life support or not those people are going to die, just like me and you! Why are you fearmongering all of a sudden? 

I am not making a fear mongering statement.

This is a statement regarding what should and should not be allowable for a government to require of its citizenzry.

You know, the shit you are always whining zabout.

Not so much of a libertarian after all, are you.

I don't think I've ever claimed to be a libertarian. I'm full-on liberal, always have been.

I guess I don't understand why you think life support is even important. It doesn't save someone from dying after all, since we all die. So why does it make a difference to you at all who the government would allow to use it?

That's why you're fearmongering here. You're hyping up a situation as overreach even though you don't believe in the usefulness of the situation anyway. If we all die anyway and it doesn't make any difference how or when (again, just using an argument you made previously here), why would such a hypothetical situation as you imagined I created bother you so?

Please, stop fearmongering.

I am not fearmongering.

I am making a statement regarding what I believe to be ill-based government policy decisions made by fiat and not based on scientific reality.

I am not afraid.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 03:53:55 PM »

I don't know what you are talking about regarding tax law but there are several laws/statutes violated by holding an EUA and FDA approval simultaneously for the same product.

It's all in the lawsuit, check it out! https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/CHD-v.-FDA-Submitted-Complaint-8.31.21.pdf

Children's Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.

.... and you think we're the ones being manipulated by the media?

Misinformation.

Rather than make that blanket statement, go ahead and point out exactly what is misinformation they issue regarding vaccines.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 03:52:16 PM »

If government has the authority to do this, then they will also have authority to pull you off life support.

If it was from someone who refused to get the vaccine, to save the life of someone who got the vaccine, I'd be all for it.

If you're gonna be a dumbass about something that could save your life you deserve to die.

Roundy's position = Pull life support from anyone for any cause, not just Covid!

Thanks for solidifying your evil intent for all, Roundy.

Can you explain how it's evil, when they were going to die anyway? Whether pulled from life support or not those people are going to die, just like me and you! Why are you fearmongering all of a sudden? 

I am not making a fear mongering statement.

This is a statement regarding what should and should not be allowable for a government to require of its citizenzry.

You know, the shit you are always whining zabout.

Not so much of a libertarian after all, are you.

Have you had a change of heart? Does a few extra years of life suddenly mean something to you? Please, at least solidify your own intent so we can understand your position better!

We all know your position.

On your knees or bent over.

Mine is standing up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 10:09:51 AM »

There is no FDA approved vaccine.

FDA approval means biological approval.

If there was biological approval for the Pfizer vaccine, then the other versions would be pulled from the market and the EUA's revoked.

That hasn't happened.

I'm not sure where you get your information, but you're wrong:

"Reuters reported on Aug. 23 that the FDA had granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for use in people aged 16 and older. It would be marketed under the name Comirnaty (here).
The FDA state that Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA-approved (Emergency Use Authorization) Pfizer vaccine and is interchangeable (here).

“With full FDA approval, the company can officially give the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine a brand name, and that name is Comirnaty. So, people getting the vaccine can feel confident that it is both safe and effective”, Smith wrote.

The FDA told Reuters via email that one point of continuity is that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine will still be covered by the EUA for children aged 12 to 15 years old and for third doses to immunocompromised individuals aged 12 and older."

The confusion about the EUA still existing has to do with the last paragraph above.

As usual, you're wrong.

Emphasis on the words, AS USUAL.

So the guy on the right is saying that the law (Federal) states that if FDA approval is given to one vaccine then all of the EUA's for other vaccines are automatically revoked. I'm having a hard time finding that "law". Can you please point us to said law and not to just some tax attorney saying there is a law?

Since you never seem to provide any real sources, I'll help you out. I'm guessing the guy on the right is referring to this from the FDA:

d. No Alternatives

For FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the candidate product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating the disease or condition. 
A potential alternative product may be considered “unavailable” if there are insufficient supplies of the approved alternative to fully meet the emergency need.  A potential alternative product may be considered "inadequate" if, for example, there are contraindicating data for special circumstances or populations (e.g., children, immunocompromised individuals, or individuals with a drug allergy), if a dosage form of an approved product is inappropriate for use in a special population (e.g., a tablet for individuals who cannot swallow pills), or if the agent is or may be resistant to approved and available alternative products.
https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/emergency-use-authorization-medical-products-and-related-authorities#medproducts

Key phrasing here, "there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative..." As we've seen Modern, Pfizer, & J&J all received EUA's. Why? Well, for one, each may not have been adequate on their own, they weren't approved, obvi, and availability is always an issue. Se they all got EUA's.

Now fast-forward to Pfizer's getting FDA approval for 16 an up. One, they still get to keep the EUA for between 12-16. For two, again, return to the phrase, "there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative". Moderna and J&J still get to keep their EUA's even though Pfizer is approved because:

- May not be adequate, ex., Moderna has had some issues regarding myocarditis with mostly teens (Pfizer too I think, but maybe not as pronounced as Moderna). J&J doesn't seem to have this issue.
- May not be available, ex., I could only get Pfizer at the time as Moderna and J&J were not available in my area. It's the other way around for a lot of folks.

So, unless your Tax Attorney is pointing to some other "law" I can't find, he is either woefully mis-informed or is deliberately mis-informing.

You remain wrong, because you want to ignore the word approved.

You can't find anything.

Not only are you wrong, you're just trolling the thread.

Nothing new from you here. All the same type of behavior we have seen from you in the past.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 14, 2021, 10:07:57 AM »

If government has the authority to do this, then they will also have authority to pull you off life support.

If it was from someone who refused to get the vaccine, to save the life of someone who got the vaccine, I'd be all for it.

If you're gonna be a dumbass about something that could save your life you deserve to die.

Roundy's position = Pull life support from anyone for any cause, not just Covid!

Thanks for solidifying your evil intent for all, Roundy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 13, 2021, 09:47:36 PM »

If government has the authority to do this, then they will also have authority to pull you off life support.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 13, 2021, 08:24:53 PM »

There is no FDA approved vaccine.

FDA approval means biological approval.

If there was biological approval for the Pfizer vaccine, then the other versions would be pulled from the market and the EUA's revoked.

That hasn't happened.

I'm not sure where you get your information, but you're wrong:

"Reuters reported on Aug. 23 that the FDA had granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for use in people aged 16 and older. It would be marketed under the name Comirnaty (here).
The FDA state that Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA-approved (Emergency Use Authorization) Pfizer vaccine and is interchangeable (here).

“With full FDA approval, the company can officially give the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine a brand name, and that name is Comirnaty. So, people getting the vaccine can feel confident that it is both safe and effective”, Smith wrote.

The FDA told Reuters via email that one point of continuity is that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine will still be covered by the EUA for children aged 12 to 15 years old and for third doses to immunocompromised individuals aged 12 and older."

The confusion about the EUA still existing has to do with the last paragraph above.

As usual, you're wrong.

Emphasis on the words, AS USUAL.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: September 13, 2021, 05:34:52 PM »

The mandate would be unconstitutional.