The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: Thork on March 02, 2015, 07:24:53 PM
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Well this makes very grim reading. Eric is a great FEr, gets lots of media coverage and has written some good books.
Due to the mockery that the other site has become, we are being discredited by our naturally allies. :(
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After a quick look on that website, my conclusion is that this guy is a nut. We're better off keeping our distance from him.
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That other guy, Matthew Boylan, is a better pick. I don't know why we would want to court someone who believes in reptilian conspiracies and has a life goal to "expose every conspiracy from Atlantis to Zion," regardless of his ability to create some youtube videos explaining elements of FET.
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Perhaps someone should point out to Eric that these sites descended from Samuel Shenton/Charles Johnson' FES, not Leo Ferrari's Canadian FES.
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He's an attention whore trying to compete with the real FES by calling us a conspiracy. I wouldn't say he's of note at all. Just another guy with something to sell. "Hey, ignore those other guys. They're NASA shills. And while you're at it, buy my books, click on my ads, and donate money to me".
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Who gives a fuck, that dude is bonkers.
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Why are we looking to other non-members of this society for guidance? Was this Thork's idea? Because it's really terrible. Our representative should be in-house, otherwise we're just telling everyone "We can't do it ourselves, we need outside help". We are not incompetent, and we don't need help from outside nutters.
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Was this Thork's idea?
Yes. (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=2386.0)
I'm not sure if Tom was referring to Dubay or Boylan when he said that one of them was sceptimatic.
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Why are we looking to other non-members of this society for guidance? Was this Thork's idea? Because it's really terrible. Our representative should be in-house, otherwise we're just telling everyone "We can't do it ourselves, we need outside help". We are not incompetent, and we don't need help from outside nutters.
I think Thork is just really desperate for us to install someone other than Daniel. Which I can understand, I suppose.
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Overall, I think it's fair to say that Thork doesn't understand how FES works, be that right now or in the post-reunification scenario.
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Overall, I think it's fair to say that Thork doesn't understand
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Overall, I think it's fair to say that Thork doesn't understand how FES works, be that right now or in the post-reunification scenario.
No, I understand YOUR vision for it. I just don't agree with it.
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Thork would rather Daniel control the forums.
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No, I understand YOUR vision for it.
You've demonstrated the opposite time and time again. I'm going to take some serious convincing to believe you've had a sudden change of heart.
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That other guy, Matthew Boylan, is a better pick.
Thanks for the reference. I'll look check out what Boylan has to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY
I don't know why we would want to court someone who believes in reptilian conspiracies and has a life goal to "expose every conspiracy from Atlantis to Zion," regardless of his ability to create some youtube videos explaining elements of FET.
Of the two books DuBay has written, I agree with your view of his Atlantean conspiracy and avoided it.
However, I did see DuBay's video about flat earth conspiracy and quite agree with it. He simply puts out good information as far as that goes, and I ordered a copy of his flat earth conspiracy book. I particularly like what DuBay says about the pervasiveness of computer generated photographs of the earth. This inspired me to thinking that I ought to demand that even one genuine photograph of a globular earth from overhead be presented by anyone who is taken aback at the mention that such photographs are fabricated since all of such photographs have been fabricated. I do wonder how much thought and research DuBay devoted to his statement that satellites simply do not exist, but overall it's a good video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFjG4jpUhQI
It's good to see flat earth belief spreading it's wings, taking root here and there. I'm for that all the way.
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Well this makes very grim reading. Eric is a great FEr, gets lots of media coverage and has written some good books.
I just read this article by Eric, and I have to say that I completely agree with it.
I never joined Daniel's society having always considered it repulsive, but I probably will join DuBay's society.
It very much sounds like the best organization advocating a flat earth that I've come across since Charles Johnson - and that by a long shot.
After looking again at Eric, Eric does seem to be the better researcher in terms of sheer material. Matthew Boylan seems to be the better interviewee.
We should attempt to court them both, The arguments they use are good, but can be refined. A few of the arguments Eric uses are things we've discussed before, are fallacious and don't work. Much of it is good, however. Some things were discussed that even I haven't seen. We can use more people like him.
I concur with these conclusions.
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That other guy, Matthew Boylan, is a better pick. I don't know why we would want to court someone who believes in reptilian conspiracies and has a life goal to "expose every conspiracy from Atlantis to Zion," regardless of his ability to create some youtube videos explaining elements of FET.
Boylan seems to be an interesting character;
i can't tell if he's for real or not, quite frankly;
(he says he went into 'comedy' so that "the men in black" [for want of a better term] wouldn't put a 'hit' on him :o )
can any-one on here verify whether or not he actually did work for NASA in any capacity?
i know these "government agencies" have a habit of "disappearing" paper-work on whistle-blowers.....
it happened to that "Bob Lazar" character who, back in the 1980s, "blew the whistle" on Area 51;
would be interesting to get some of these NASA-types "off the record" and discover just how many are "in" on the FE cover-up :-X
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Hello everyone, thanks to Thork and Dionysios for the support and encouragement! Thanks for sharing my article and for your nomination in the other thread as "Flat Earth Messiah" or "Flat Earth President." :) I certainly want as little in-fighting between us few flat Earthers as possible, but at the same time I will always speak my mind and fight facts/evidence against unfounded opinions anywhere I find them, even in the flat Earth community. Both of these split flat Earth societies claim to be from the Shenton/Johnson lineage, yet strangely neither society kept their namesake of IFERS, The International Flat Earth Research Society. Even more strange is that both societies maintain easily disproven false flat Earth arguments in your shared FAQ such as the Earth constantly rising to account for gravity. Many people on your forums display the behavior of paid agents and instead of being banned, it appears many are promoted to moderators. Someone from this "Zetetic Council" commented on my article that they'd never heard of Leo Ferrari, even though he was Johnson's sworn enemy. I replied:
For the Anonymous usurper of the "Zetetic" title, you are NOT the IFERS, you are the FES. These two organizations have existed simultaneously feuding for decades as I exposed in the article. After Johnson's house was burned down, he kept IFERS going until his death shortly after. Since then Ferrari's FES has been the sole FE organization in existence. Your FES has absolutely no legitimate claim to be "descended" from Shenton, Johnson et al., as you share the same name and modus operandi of their sworn enemy! If you were a continuation of the IFERS, you would have been called IFERS all these years, not FES. You are FES because you are the successors to Ferrari's FES. You claim the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards and put out other false-arguments to (as Johnson put it) "muddy the waters of truth." He called the FES "an enemy of the flat Earth work, yet you use the same name, false-arguments and satire that characterized the FES under Ferrari's presidency. You claim to be "descended" from genuine flat Earthers, but your farcical society's title, arguments and M.O. are identical to the flat Earth enemy's. Now that I'm exposing you, however, you want to claim that you ARE the "International Flat Earth Research Society!?" That's rich. You are the FES, the controlled opposition, the long-standing enemy of the IFERS, trying to assimilate the work of genuine flat Earther's into that Borg-like honey-pot operation you're running over there. I bet "Shenton" isn't even Daniel's real surname, probably just a fake name to muddy the waters further and subconsciously associate the FES with Shenton's old legitimate IFERS. The supposed "new" society split in two you're claiming is a joke. You still have the same name, logo, forum, FAQ, and your site admits you've recently just "reunited with your sister society," anyway so you're about as different from each other as someone with multiple personality disorder, excuse me, disassociate identity disorder, because you DID just have the audacity to claim descendency from IFERS, and claim not to even know who Leo Ferrari is!? The sworn enemy of genuine flat-Earthers, whose exact name and arguments you still use to this day, and you want to claim you've never even heard of him!? :) Your trolling days are over FES! Consider yourself exposed. Everyone who wants to be part of the genuine IFERS feel free to join, but anyone "muddying the waters of truth" with the same old FES controlled opposition bullshit will be banned. Only genuine flat Earthers and people interested in learning will be accepted:
http://ifers.boards.net (http://ifers.boards.net)
Just to set the record straight, in the other "Flat Earth Messiah" thread, "Tom Bishop" keeps going on and on about how I believe in and promote the reptilian alien non-sense. How did you come to that conclusion Tom when I constantly write about the alien hoax/deception, expose David Icke's reptilian crap, and have never written a single thing promoting or saying I believe in that reptilian alien bullshit you keep accusing me of.
I am honored that I would be considered for president of the Flat Earth Society, though I am already president of the International Flat Earth Research Society. I would be willing to integrate somehow, but I doubt your FES would be willing to meet my demands which would include changing your name to IFERS, updating your FAQ with real answers, the caliber of which are present at IFERS, and giving me full administrative control of the forum and all material. I'm sure that is beyond what you're willing to entrust me with, so until/if that day comes I will continue my lone crusade of continuing the genuine IFERS independently where I can maintain its integrity true to the vision of the Zetetics of yesteryear who would laugh at things like the Earth constantly rising to account for gravity. Peace
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Eric, do you have a better model for a flat Earth? If so, stop with the petty insults and post the damn thing. We are mostly concerned with debating here, not playground drama.
Personally, I'd love to hear an alternate flat Earth model that holds up to more scrutiny than ours. Although I'd imagine it would be hard to find one.
Also, your forum seems suspiciously barren.
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Hello Eric, welcome to the FES. As you can probably already see, we have quite a few people who are very passionate about the Flat Earth subject here. Nonetheless, any disagreements we may have aside, I hope you enjoy your stay here.
I would like to clarify that we have no links to the Flat Earth Society of Canada, and any such accusations should be backed with ample evidence rather than restating the non-point over and over. IFERS is generally used as the official name (as printed in certificates and press releases), while FES is the everyday name used for ease of reference. Note that neither of those are FESoC, which for some reason you insist on branding FES. The only thing you've managed to "expose" so far is that you disagree with us (which is fine), and that you're willing to lower yourself to slander to exclaim it (which is not fine).
That said, this society operates under the principles of volunteer contribution and general consensus. If you want to see our FAQ changed, convince our members that your views are correct. If you establish yourself here, I'll happily grant you edit access to our Wiki, and you'll be able to shape it together with us. Notably, this would require you to act at the very least in a neutral manner. You may want to forget your "full administrative control" idea for a few years - we don't just hand that out to strangers.
If you want to make contributions to the Flat Earth model, you've found the right place. Now you just need to actually start contributing and convincing people that what you have to say is true. If that's not fine by you, I expect most our members (other than Thork) will consider you largely irrelevant.
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Eric, do you have a better model for a flat Earth? If so, stop with the petty insults and post the damn thing. We are mostly concerned with debating here, not playground drama.
Personally, I'd love to hear an alternate flat Earth model that holds up to more scrutiny than ours. Although I'd imagine it would be hard to find one.
Also, your forum seems suspiciously barren.
I've written an entire book on it, and yes the flat Earth model has no need to account for gravity as it does NOT exist: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/02/flat-earth-conspiracy-challenge.html (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/02/flat-earth-conspiracy-challenge.html) And I'd rather have a "barren" genuine forum than a lively controlled opposition forum full of shills like you've got here, thanks.
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Hello Eric, welcome to the FES. As you can probably already see, we have quite a few people who are very passionate about the Flat Earth subject here. Nonetheless, any disagreements we may have aside, I hope you enjoy your stay here.
I would like to clarify that we have no links to the Flat Earth Society of Canada, and any such accusations should be backed with ample evidence rather than restating the non-point over and over. IFERS is generally used as the official name (as printed in certificates and press releases), while FES is the everyday name used for ease of reference. Note that neither of those are FESoC, which for some reason you insist on branding FES. The only thing you've managed to "expose" so far is that you disagree with us (which is fine), and that you're willing to lower yourself to slander to exclaim it (which is not fine).
That said, this society operates under the principles of volunteer contribution and general consensus. If you want to see our FAQ changed, convince our members that your views are correct. If you establish yourself here, I'll happily grant you edit access to our Wiki, and you'll be able to shape it together with us. Notably, this would require you to act at the very least in a neutral manner. You may want to forget your "full administrative control" idea for a few years - we don't just hand that out to strangers.
If you want to make contributions to the Flat Earth model, you've found the right place. Now you just need to actually start contributing and convincing people that what you have to say is true. If that's not fine by you, I expect most our members (other than Thork) will consider you largely irrelevant.
The FESC changed its name to the FES a year after it started. The FES is Ferrari's FES, the only FES that has ever existed. One of your "Zetetic Council" members dared to say he'd never heard of Leo Ferrari even though he was the sworn enemy of the IFERS you claim to be. I'm not interested in climbing up your hierarchy trying to prove to you that the Earth isn't constantly rising and gravity doesn't exist. If that's the kind of caliber discussion I have to have with fellow supposed flat Earthers, I'll politely bow out and let you discredit yourselves with that non-sense.
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Mr. Dubay, as both a longtime believer in FET and founding father, I am highly skeptical of your tactics. You seem incapable of the basic tenants of conversation, or even simple research. How do you plan to spread Flat Earth Theory if you're busy throwing around slanderous accusations against some of the only people that are, at their core, in agreement with you?
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I'm not interested in climbing up your hierarchy trying to prove to you that the Earth isn't constantly rising and gravity doesn't exist. If that's the kind of caliber discussion I have to have with fellow supposed flat Earthers, I'll politely bow out and let you discredit yourselves with that non-sense.
No one said anything about a hierarchy. If you claim to be correct, then surely you have what it takes to present and defend your views. Even the most laughable round earthers at least make an effort. You, on the other hand, expect for us to just take your insults and not wonder why you have so much aggression to offer, and so little information.
Perhaps it's you who's the "controlled opposition" here, as you so boldly like to call others? After all, all you do is call others wrong. You instigate in-fighting while bringing nothing to the table. C'mon. Show us what you've got.
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Eric, do you have a better model for a flat Earth? If so, stop with the petty insults and post the damn thing. We are mostly concerned with debating here, not playground drama.
Personally, I'd love to hear an alternate flat Earth model that holds up to more scrutiny than ours. Although I'd imagine it would be hard to find one.
Also, your forum seems suspiciously barren.
I've written an entire book on it, and yes the flat Earth model has no need to account for gravity as it does NOT exist: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/02/flat-earth-conspiracy-challenge.html (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/02/flat-earth-conspiracy-challenge.html) And I'd rather have a "barren" genuine forum than a lively controlled opposition forum full of shills like you've got here, thanks.
Insults, baseless claims, and posturing is not going to sell your books, Eric... especially not here. The fact that you're not even willing to discuss your views and would rather link people to your unprofessional lulu book store link (takes forever to load, btw) says a lot about you and your material. Do you think that you're so special that we have to pay simply to find out why you think the Earth is flat? Ha. Give me a break, Dubay. Every link on your blog (links that would seemingly go to more information about your theories) is simply a link to your lulu book store and nothing more.
It seems to me that you're mainly focused on making a profit, and it seems like you're doing that by riding our coattails (borrowing our ideas, tweaking them a bit) then slandering our name. You do realize that we're based on Samuel Rowbotham's ideas about a flat Earth, yes? We've been doing this since 1881. I hope that you also realize that our wiki is possibly the biggest resource for flat Earth information on the web. I have checked your site to compare and I found it very lacking in material, anything I was remotely interested in was simply (once again) a plug for your books. Imagine how disappointed I was when I figured out that you're nothing but a money grubber who relies on ridiculous shock theories about Atlantis to sell books. :-\
I think we'll stick to all the heavy lifting proving that the Earth is flat, if you don't mind. You can continue to sit in the corner and collect your (no doubt) small amount of revenue from your shameless plugging. I'm more than content with the fact that we'll never stoop to your level of profiteering, instead focusing on more important matters... like proving the Earth is flat with theories that actually hold up to scrutiny.
No hard feelings, by the way. Whenever you're feeling generous enough to actually discuss some of your theories with us, go right ahead! Although I doubt you will without taking a small paypal donation beforehand.
Also, should this be moved to angry ranting? I don't think anything constructive is going to come from Eric Dubay, and this just might turn into a flame war.
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Hello Eric.
So I have to say I am a little disappointed at the turn of events. I saw you creating great content and wondered to myself if we would not be mutually beneficial to each other. That we may bestow some honorary title upon you and you benefit from the collaborative hive mind of the flat earth society. You represent an organisation heard the world over ... and we get our message out.
And so I approached the Zetetic council to see what they said before pushing it to the rest of the community. We know all kinds of things that you don't and could have helped with suggestions and source materials for your books and videos.
And we'd benefit because you would be an ambassador for us meaning more people would be curious and come find us to hear our message. That is supposed to be Daniel Shenton's job but he's terrible at it. He disappears for months at a time and comes across as a no nothing muppet in interviews because he hasn't bothered to learn any flat earth theory.
Imagine my fucking embarrassment that the very next day after my suggestion that you make videos and blogs saying we are all NASA shills. You did it with no research, you didn't bother to ask us who we are and what we are about, our motivations, our history or anything. You just made a bunch of stuff up. We won't take it personally. You did the exact same thing to Mark Sergeant just because he disagrees with your theory on planets. We don't operate like that. All theories are welcome. Those that seem the best gain traction. We are trying to rewrite geology, cosmology, astronomy, all kinds of subjects ... no one person will get everything right. But we don't steamroller the ideas of individuals away because we don't like them - we debate them. We all agree on one thing, the shape of the earth. And that's why we have a community here.
Good luck with your videos.
One of the Shills.
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Hello, Eric. Welcome to the Society. We seem to be in an interesting position here. You accuse us of essentially being globularist shills, not actually interested in Flat Earth Theory, yet we have the same doubts about you. Hopefully we can work to dispel these mutual fears.
Daniel Shenton's Flat Earth Society does indeed claim to descend from the IFERS. I believe Daniel claims to have been a member of the IFERS, although I could be wrong about that. To be honest, though, does our exact lineage matter? We share your goal of spreading Flat Earth Theory. Perhaps we disagree on the details, but I assume we all share ENaG as the basis for our belief. We should be allies, not enemies. There are too few FE'ers in this world for us all to be angry and distrusting of each other.
Also, I'm sorry but you were never actually a candidate for the FES presidency. Thork just has a hate-on for Daniel. There was never any serious discussion about replacing him outside of Thork's rants. I don't mean to be rude, but I felt I should set that story straight.
Nice to meet you, by the way.
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Read the thread. I proposed some kind of honorary title and really only got an answer from Tom Bishop who wasn't opposed to the idea of finding someone who represents us who would do a better job than Daniel. Daniel is useless. I don't know why you all bunch your knickers every time it is suggested we can do better. We don't need him. This very site proves it. We'll never reunify anyway, Daniel is too lazy/control-happy to ever see anything come of it. You all just made yourselves look dumb fawning over him.
Our basis of beliefs don't come from ENaG. Much comes from before that and after. We just incorporate those texts too.
And does it matter where Daniel comes from? I don't come from IFERS, neither does anyone else here and Daniel isn't part of our society ... I don't know why you don't get that. He has his site, we have ours. ::)
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Read the thread. I proposed some kind of honorary title and really only got an answer from Tom Bishop who wasn't opposed to the idea of finding someone who represents us who would do a better job than Daniel. Daniel is useless. I don't know why you all bunch your knickers every time it is suggested we can do better. We don't need him. This very site proves it. We'll never reunify anyway, Daniel is too lazy/control-happy to ever see anything come of it. You all just made yourselves look dumb fawning over him.
Our basis of beliefs don't come from ENaG. Much comes from before that and after. We just incorporate those texts too.
And does it matter where Daniel comes from? I don't come from IFERS, neither does anyone else here and Daniel isn't part of our society ... I don't know why you don't get that. He has his site, we have ours. ::)
I don't think many people disagree with you about replacing Daniel.
Picking some random on the internet, that's the issue.
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I wasn't suggesting doing it the very next day. As in, look at what these guys are doing. Do we want to be represented like that, could this be of use to us and them - a mutual partnership?
If it had got past the council (we never even got to voting), and then if the society at large agreed, we could then engage said individuals to find more out about them. But it back fired on me. Its OK to make new mistakes. Its making the same old stupid ones I object to.
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Welcome Eric.
I am not a believer in the flat earth and even I think you're an insult to Flat Earth Research. Knowledge should be freely spread, not hidden behind a monetary transaction. Bribery is how the conspiracy works, it shouldn't be how seekers of truth work.
You disgrace them all.
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I am not a believer in the flat earth and even I think you're an insult to Flat Earth Research.
This isn't really saying much. It's like saying, "I'm not a believer in evolution and even I think you're an insult to evolution research." If you don't believe in what the researcher is researching then it's very likely you think that all the research in that field is rubbish.
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I think now would be a good time to lock this thread. There is literally nothing of value being discussed here.
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I am not a believer in the flat earth and even I think you're an insult to Flat Earth Research.
This isn't really saying much. It's like saying, "I'm not a believer in evolution and even I think you're an insult to evolution research." If you don't believe in what the researcher is researching then it's very likely you think that all the research in that field is rubbish.
Lord Dave didn't say that the research was rubbish. Dave was saying that we shouldn't have to pay for his book so that we can discuss his research. Big difference. Sort of like how Anders keeps saying that we have to visit his "popular" web site to get any of his calculations.
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Despite Lord Dave's non-belief in the flat Earth model, he still brings up a valid point. Eric Dubay is desperate for people to purchase his books (which are not selling very well, this is easy to figure out simply by looking at his account (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdt_bl_sr?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=Eric+Dubay) at amazon). Eric Dubay, seeing his poor sales figures, then said: "hey, what can I do to get my nonsensical BS more recognition? Oh, I know... i'll attack a legitimate society and accuse them of being "controlled opposition" among other things." The more ridiculous his claims and the more drama he creates, the more attention he is going to get, and the bigger his cult following will become.
This is why I have decided to stop hounding him, but I will not drop my stance that he is a complete fraud.
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You are taking this way too personally. There will always be Eric Dubays. John Davis was one for a start. His website will die, his books won't get read and he'll get a normal job at his local noodle bar. Let him have his moment in the sun.
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Let him have his moment in the sun.
I think you mean magical flat Earth luminary.
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"legitimate society"...
I don't know much about this "legitimate society", because I don't read books, but this forum is not a legitimate flat earth forum. All that goes on here is making fun of flat earthers.
That is why we welcome this opportunity given to us by Eric: that is why he created the forum. Because many of us complained about these two forums where flat earthers just get ridiculed.
A place where we can discuss flat earth without your academic pedantry, without the ridicule by the fraternity dudes.
Yes, we are few and we are isolated. You are many, and you are wasting all this wealth of members: 57,000. Because that other forum is basically the same as here, except with more members.
You seem to be playing the Democrat/Republican game. You have one big forum for "ridiculing us" and this one, a smaller forum, for wasting our time with "academic pedantry".
How many of you have posted on Facebook links to this forum to spread the truth about flat earth? I don't think so. You have no enthusiasm for flat earth.
I don't know if you are paid by the government or not, but your objective here seems to be to joke around all day long, all year long.
Any real flat earthers on these two forums are at least partly masochists.
Regarding the money he makes from donations or selling whatever he sells, he could even be begging for money. That's what the few people who don't sell out are forced to do in a society where basically we all have sold out, in a way or another.
Instead, for some reason, you guys have all day long to waste here, making jokes. You are in a good mood. And you don't have financial problems.
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"legitimate society"...
I don't know much about this "legitimate society", because I don't read books, but this forum is not a legitimate flat earth forum. All that goes on here is making fun of flat earthers.
That is why we welcome this opportunity given to us by Eric: that is why he created the forum. Because many of us complained about these two forums where flat earthers just get ridiculed.
A place where we can discuss flat earth without your academic pedantry, without the ridicule by the fraternity dudes.
Yes, we are few and we are isolated. You are many, and you are wasting all this wealth of members: 57,000. Because that other forum is basically the same as here, except with more members.
You seem to be playing the Democrat/Republican game. You have one big forum for "ridiculing us" and this one, a smaller forum, for wasting our time with "academic pedantry".
How many of you have posted links to this forum to spread the truth about flat earth? I don't think so. You have no enthusiasm for flat earth.
I don't know if you are paid by the government or not, but your objective here seems to be to joke around all day long, all year long.
Any real flat earthers on these two forums are at least partly masochists.
Regarding the money he makes from donations or selling whatever he sells, he could even be begging for money. That's what the few people who don't sell out are forced to do in a society where basically we all have sold out, in a way or another.
Instead, for some reason, you guys have all day long to waste here, making jokes. You are in a good mood. And you don't have financial problems.
When the only view you allow yourself to see is your own, how can you ever be wrong?
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You seem to be playing the Democrat/Republican game. You have one big forum for "ridiculing us" and this one, a smaller forum, for wasting our time with "academic pedantry".
Welcome to the public spotlight, acenci. I'm glad you finally came out from hiding.
Could you please cite where any of us have "ridiculed" flat Earth theory? Because I'm just not seeing it.
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You seem to be playing the Democrat/Republican game. You have one big forum for "ridiculing us" and this one, a smaller forum, for wasting our time with "academic pedantry".
Welcome to the public spotlight, acenci. I'm glad you finally came out from hiding.
Could you please cite where any of us have "ridiculed" flat Earth theory? Because I'm just not seeing it.
I think he's referring to the fact that we allow REers to post and insult FEers and their ideas without being banned instantly.
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You seem to be playing the Democrat/Republican game. You have one big forum for "ridiculing us" and this one, a smaller forum, for wasting our time with "academic pedantry".
Welcome to the public spotlight, acenci. I'm glad you finally came out from hiding.
Could you please cite where any of us have "ridiculed" flat Earth theory? Because I'm just not seeing it.
I think he's referring to the fact that we allow REers to post and insult FEers and their ideas without being banned instantly.
If you ban people, you can't change their minds. Dubay's forum is just a circle jerk.
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I think he's referring to the fact that we allow REers to post and insult FEers and their ideas without being banned instantly.
If that's the case then the answer is quite simple. We allow opposition to our theories. If we didn't, then we'd be no better than an ancient aliens UFO cult. It's basically a peer review system; good theories are accepted while bad ones are discredited. Round Earthers are present because, well, they don't agree with us. We don't simply ban someone for disagreeing with us here. This is a civilized forum, not a private despot's e-wank fest.
And believe it or not, some RE'ers have actually helped to refine our theories. That's what happens when you cultivate an open environment for the exchange of ideas... progress! Eric Dubay and his forum will never progress beyond a simple circle-jerk (borrowing from Thork here) because of this reason.
And you seem to miss one of the main points of our society, we enjoy a good debate. We believe FET to be correct, but we also like debating with the opposition because it helps develop our theories.
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Asenci, you came here and judged this place pretty quickly. I came here a roundy and was persuaded of flatness. Despite the ridiculous trolls and shills here, there are genuine FE'ers here who are spreading FET. I hope Dubay's strategy of banning any desension will work over the long term, although I have my doubts. Try to relax and have some fun while you learn. Nobody knows it all, if you or anybody else believes something that isn't true, maybe they will learn the truth over time. To label them a shill and ban them, helps no one.
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A place where we can discuss flat earth without your academic pedantry, without the ridicule by the fraternity dudes.
If you want a serious flat earth debate, then bring it. Please. I'm serious. There are a few of is RE'ers (well, me for one) who would actually welcome a serious debate without resorting to "academic pedantry" or "ridicule by the fraternity dudes". However, be warned that you will need to backup your model with sound logic and testable physics. Claiming things like "if gravity was real, then you couldn't lift your feet to walk" just won't cut it.
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DuBay's article about controlled opposition echoed what I had thought about Daniel's forum for a long time. Although I do not recall seeing any evidence of any direct connection between Leo Ferrari's organization and Daniel's forum, the fact that their two societies have effectively fulfilled the same purpose or had the same effect is a valid observation in my opinion.
If there is evidence of any connection between them then it would be quite interesting, but I did not recall that DuBay presented anything to this end other than the differing names of the organizations - nothing like common sponsorships or anything like that. There sure is plenty of evidence supporting his accusation against Ferrari as an agent to discredit flat earth belief.
Although I agree with DuBay's criticism of the earth moving upwards theory as absurd, I don't completely concur with his negative conclusions about this forum as so useless. Although I came here as a flat earth believer already myself long ago, I think I can say I've seen a number of folks converted over time on these forums into believers in the flatness of the earth. Also very significantly, the moderators and admins here are a vast improvement over Daniel's forum. I can testify to that.
The average user here and on Daniel's forum is definitely more agnostic than those on DuBay's forum, but in my case that has made my discretion sharper in some areas and even made me into a better Christian dwelling with my enemies, so to speak.
I wanted to note that DuBay has publicly given credit to both this forum and Daniel's forum for the online databases of flat earth books which he says are actually "quite good". The most valuable thing about his forum in my opinion are the well researched videos he has made. I think these are generally good stuff and will only benefit all of us.
Although DuBay is correct in the specific rebuffs he made about Tom Bishop's criticisms, I think his cosmological beliefs and those of Tom Bishop are rather similar. My criticism is that I disagree with DuBay's unfortunate antisemitism which is not particularly discerning, but crude and obtuse like the attitudes found at websites like Stormfront, but it is also unrelated to flat earth theory. So I will take the best of what Eric DuBay has to offer and simply avoid the rest. I suggest the same to others.
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I find it ironic that Dubay uses the word 'Research' in his name, yet his disciples accuse us of being too academic. How do you think research gets done, acenci? By ridiculing anyone with a different idea? That's a good way never to advance your thought. Here at TFES, we welcome free thought. No one gets banned for their beliefs here and that is a strength, not a weakness. I'm sorry, but your society will never get anything accomplished. Shoving your version of FET down people throats won't make them see the truth. The only way to do that is through thousands of tedious, argumentative posts. It's not the most glamorous way to do it, but it's the only way that works. Your circle jerk forum will never get anything done, unfortunately. I wish it was otherwise, but I really don't think it will be.
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DuBay's forum perhaps has the same purpose that the True Believers category had on Daniel's forum, albeit more active and with better content. That category was created out of an idea of JROA and myself back in 2006 so genuine flat earth believers could have a place to communicate without all the incessant spamming that has always been pervasive on Daniel's forum. I threatened to leave unless it was created and Daniel granted it to us.
His forum was more pathetic then than now as he had no flat earth library, and I had already had a collection which I had been accumulating since my days in Johnson's society. By the way, Daniel was never a member of Johnson's society, and he once specifically said so to me in a message on his forum saying he got into it just after Johnson had passed away.
Daniel inherited his flat earth book collection because he happens to live within driving distance of the University of Liverpool library where Samuel Shenton's library had been donated. I learned this from Robert Schadewald who told me about it over the phone in 1999 before he died. I much later posted the link to the webpage of Shenton's book collection on Daniel's website. So Daniel simply went over there saying he was the president of the flat earth society , and they gave it him. He has done well putting it online it should be said as that is the best thing that could have been done with it.
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DuBay's forum perhaps has the same purpose that the True Believers category had on Daniel's forum, albeit more active and with better content.
Better content? If you truly believe this then you have never been to his forum, or you're simply biased. Almost none of Dubay's claims have any thought or research behind them. He simply makes a claim and then posts reams of copypasta when challenged. It's very obvious just by browsing a few of the threads he's posted in. His copypasta about gravity is particularly nonsensical.
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Dubay does make good videos and has written books etc. You could say that's good content. You don't have to agree with the stuff in it.
Anyway, I posted there yesterday and am now IP banned. I have no idea why.
He's a very odd man.
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While I don't agree with his material, his initiative is respectable. That's about all the good I have to say about the man.
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Great job reaching out to this guy Thork. He's clearly a vital asset to Flat Earth Theory. Who could have possible predicted he was bonkers?
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Eric does not want you to post in his forum unless you are unquestionably agreeing with him.
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Great job reaching out to this guy Thork. He's clearly a vital asset to Flat Earth Theory. Who could have possible predicted he was bonkers?
If we discriminated against bonkers, this forum would be empty.
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Eric's latest youtube video is now available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k
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Dubay does make good videos and has written books etc.
Indeed. The flat earth research he does is decent.
Unfortunately, Eric DuBay incorporates prejudices against Jews and communists in his views of conspiracy and is thereby totally unnecessarily giving flat earth inquiry a bad reputation:
http://ifers.boards.net/thread/70/adolf-hitler-real-truth-handle
His website is new with good videos, but it seems unfortunately predisposed towards fascism, and that worldview is a disease that affects his view of history and limits possibilities.
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Dubay does make good videos and has written books etc.
Indeed. Unfortunately, Eric DuBay incorporates prejudices about Jews in views of conspiracy and thus unnecessarily combines flat earth inquiry with an bad reputation:
http://ifers.boards.net/thread/70/adolf-hitler-real-truth-handle
His website is new with good videos, but it seems unfortunately predisposed towards fascism, and that worldview limits possibilities.
Flat Eric is bringing awareness of flat earth theory to people on youtube and twitter. And many of those google 'flat earth' and end up here. It doesn't really matter he gets stuff wrong or has warped messages. He generates interest. It certainly doesn't hurt us.
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http://ifers.boards.net/thread/70/adolf-hitler-real-truth-handle
fascism...that worldview limits possibilities.
He generates interest. It certainly doesn't hurt us.
Fair enough. If we benefit from his knowledge and ignore his error, perhaps only his possibilities are limited.
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Dubay does make good videos and has written books etc.
Indeed. Unfortunately, Eric DuBay incorporates prejudices about Jews in views of conspiracy and thus unnecessarily combines flat earth inquiry with an bad reputation:
http://ifers.boards.net/thread/70/adolf-hitler-real-truth-handle
His website is new with good videos, but it seems unfortunately predisposed towards fascism, and that worldview limits possibilities.
Flat Eric is bringing awareness of flat earth theory to people on youtube and twitter. And many of those google 'flat earth' and end up here. It doesn't really matter he gets stuff wrong or has warped messages. He generates interest. It certainly doesn't hurt us.
I still would rather people not think we're racist biggots.
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Dubay does make good videos and has written books etc.
Indeed. Unfortunately, Eric DuBay incorporates prejudices about Jews in views of conspiracy and thus unnecessarily combines flat earth inquiry with an bad reputation:
http://ifers.boards.net/thread/70/adolf-hitler-real-truth-handle
His website is new with good videos, but it seems unfortunately predisposed towards fascism, and that worldview limits possibilities.
Flat Eric is bringing awareness of flat earth theory to people on youtube and twitter. And many of those google 'flat earth' and end up here. It doesn't really matter he gets stuff wrong or has warped messages. He generates interest. It certainly doesn't hurt us.
I still would rather people not think we're racist biggots.
Might be a good idea to make some kind of stickied post in FEG saying we don't endorse Eric or his views, and that we don't (generally) share his racist views. Or even just put it in the FAQ, the way the old FAQ mentioned the alaska.net site.
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I wouldn't bother. Why give him publicity? He's the first person to say we aren't affiliated.
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I wouldn't bother. Why give him publicity? He's the first person to say we aren't affiliated.
Yes, but not everyone knows that. Eric Dubay even has an account here. People could get confused because his forum is relatively hard to find.
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Really, he's not that big a deal. If anyone asks, we can tell them. Better than a sticky advert for Flat Eric that lives here for eternity.
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Hell hath no fury like a Thork scorned.
But you have a point.
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I wouldn't bother. Why give him publicity? He's the first person to say we aren't affiliated.
Yes, but not everyone knows that. Eric Dubay even has an account here. People could get confused because his forum is relatively hard to find.
No kidding. What is his forum? Haven't found it... haven't really tried that hard though.
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I wouldn't bother. Why give him publicity? He's the first person to say we aren't affiliated.
Yes, but not everyone knows that. Eric Dubay even has an account here. People could get confused because his forum is relatively hard to find.
No kidding. What is his forum? Haven't found it... haven't really tried that hard though.
I linked to it in my thread in Angry Ranting. Check there.
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Perhaps a posted warning about the racism on Eric DuBay's website would be jumping the gun considering that his forum is still in its infancy. Although I must say it's an excellent idea and a prudent possibility to bear in mind if it were warranted in the future.
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Why should we care about disassociating ourselves from someone's racist views? Thork has already done an excellent job of implying we're racist on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/568056850463109120
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At least Daniel didn't merge first and then give away the forum.
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Why should we care about disassociating ourselves from someone's racist views? Thork has already done an excellent job of implying we're racist on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/568056850463109120
600 tweets and a hypothetical analogy to show how the BBC is selective over the science it airs is the best example of racism you can come up with?
Perhaps a posted warning about the racism on Eric DuBay's website would be jumping the gun considering that his forum is still in its infancy. Although I must say it's an excellent idea and a prudent possibility to bear in mind if it were warranted in the future.
Its easier than that. If his site ever does become more than a cell in a hive of spam websites, you can rate the site and flag racism as a concern of yours.
https://www.mywot.com/
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Why should we care about disassociating ourselves from someone's racist views? Thork has already done an excellent job of implying we're racist on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/568056850463109120
600 tweets and a hypothetical analogy to show how the BBC is selective over the science it airs is the best example of racism you can come up with?
Dammit thork
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ITT: Thork is surprised that a TV network selects its programming.
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That particular director of programming made out that all science was treated equally and that no science would be side lined. I gave an example where political persuasion would force selectivity in science. Much as we experience with things like climate change and flat earth theory.
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That particular director of programming made out that all science was treated equally and that no science would be side lined. I gave an example where political persuasion would force selectivity in science. Much as we experience with things like climate change and flat earth theory.
Yeah, but we don't want to go around publicly implying that we believe some races (by which I assume you mean white europeans) are smarter than others. We havr a bad enough image problem without people thinking we're all racists.
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Yeah, you used the word assume.
I didn't make any racist comment at all. Just mentioned a branch of science that won't ever be explored by state media. You can stop bunching your knickers. It was over a month ago.
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Why should we care about disassociating ourselves from someone's racist views? Thork has already done an excellent job of implying we're racist on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/568056850463109120
As I previously suggested on IRC, if you'd like to make a complaint about Thork's work on Twitter, please do so in S&C. Personally, I see no reason to investigate unless someone makes a case for it and gathers some, at least anecdotal, support.
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I don't want to oust Thork or anything. That exchange irritated me a little, but aside from that, he's doing a good job.
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I don't want to oust Thork or anything. That exchange irritated me a little, but aside from that, he's doing a good job.
Fair enough.
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ITT: Thork is surprised that a TV network selects its programming.
You prick.
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Yeah, Thork's doing great. Our twitter account is awesome. But he's still Thork, and I feel that I have the right to complain that he's terrible. Just terrible.
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Attended a what?
(http://i60.tinypic.com/27zcfly.png)
https://plus.google.com/114446283043110571468/posts
I thought we were supposed to be the ones who were brainwashed by the state?
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lol, at about 23:30 in the video below, Matthew Boylan takes a swipe at Eric Dubay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=317&v=xxyCpWcg-kE
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I think now would be a good time to lock this thread. There is literally nothing of value being discussed here.
Or at least split to AR. Come on, we don't need updates on every little thing this guy does.
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Flat Earth General. This is generally about flat earth goings on. What is the problem? In 2 days you'll be able to unsubscribe to this thread. In the mean time, if you don't want to read about Eric Dubay, don't click on the one thread in the upper fora dedicated to what he is doing.
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Was this Thork's idea?
Yes. (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=2386.0)
I'm not sure if Tom was referring to Dubay or Boylan when he said that one of them was sceptimatic.
No it wasn't.
Eric Dupay was his nomination.
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I was just reading some of Dubay's threads. It looks like he banned acenci and all of his other followers for being shills. I think he might just be schizophrenic, to be honest. If he was controlled opposition he'd be trying to get bigger, rather than screw himself from the beginning, and if he was a serious skeptic he wouldn't be so damn paranoid.
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Okay, this is pretty funny. I retract my complaint about this thread's lack of necessity. And of course Dubay isn't "controlled opposition." Nobody is controlled opposition. That's a thing that conspiracy nuts made up to try and resolve their cognitive dissonance over other people who are supposedly as enlightened as they are believing different things. After all, if they assumed that other conspiracy theorists were simply wrong, then they'd have to break down their theories and point out the fallacies, fact-picking, and flawed logic that led to their wrong conclusions, and then more introspective conspiracy theorists might suddenly realize that their criticisms applied to themselves just as much as to others. That's a rabbit hole best left avoided. It's much easier for them to just blame the existence of competing theorists on the same big bad conspiracy that they already blame everything on.
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Eric's shenanigans has brought at least one new person to the subreddit. That's something, I guess.
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I was just reading some of Dubay's threads. It looks like he banned acenci ...
Dr. Evil has banned mini me.
Don't worry. He'll get a replacement after about a 10 minute period of inconsolability.
Goons from Stormfront.org are beginning to discover his website.
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I'd like to remark out of conscience in spite of all the stuff that Acenci said against this forum that he seems to me a decent guy who is new to a of this. Enthusiastic and possibly still slightly naive, but overall a decent guy.
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thanks
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thanks
Shill or not, you are always welcome here. Sorry for being hard on you, I just don't like being accused of something I'm not... I guess you know how that feels now, eh? ;)
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Yes, I have learned to be more objective and less emotional in my judgments. Now I will use "I don't agree with that" rather than say "you are a shill". Now I know what it feels like to be banned and called "shill" by everyone. We have founded a forum of banned shills, to do group therapy:
http://serendipitous.boards.net/
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I think he might just be schizophrenic, to be honest.
Agreed. In his interviews, listen to his voice. He's not all there.
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DuBay not only treats people like Lumberg, he even looks like him a little bit:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy3rjQGc6lA
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...Instead, for some reason, you guys have all day long to waste here, making jokes. You are in a good mood. And you don't have financial problems.
http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=2459.msg63965#msg63965
He was unfair to those fans of his, whom he banned after all the work they did for him. At the same time, despite my resentment, I have to admit that with this advertisement you are confirming my last point of that crazy post I wrote when I believed in him. You're beating him with money and not with content. Having said this, I also admit you have the freedom of speech he lacks.
(http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2459.0;attach=427;image)
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You're beating him with money and not with content.
You know what? I disagree. Eric is a beggar. He tries so hard to sell his books (most of which only have 1 review - I wonder who that might be from), beg for donations and profiteer from advertisement. He's also the one who decided that he's so cheap that he's going to host his forum on a free boards site (which in turn allowed me to advertise there) instead of spending some pocket money on a proper host. If he knew what he's doing, he'd be the one with money. He's trying to make money on his escapades, but he has no idea how to do so.
We, on the other hand, quite literally do not offer any avenues for ourselves to profit from. You can't donate to us (even though people wanted to (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=678.0)!), and our CafePress store (http://www.cafepress.com/theflatearthsociety) is set to not have any markup (i.e. the prices there are the prices CafePress demands - we have no cut from it at all).
The ad on Eric's site, which I'm paying for out of my own pocket, is setting me back just a couple dollars per day. I'm far from rich, either. I would argue that if you can't afford to occasionally invest $30 into something you care about, you simply don't care enough.
As for content, I guess it depends on what you mean by "content". We're the organisation to actually produce an electronic copy of the first edition of Zetetic Astronomy (available from our library (http://library.tfes.org/)). We got it because we cared and were willing to put in some effort. It wasn't even that difficult.
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We're also the organization with the Wiki and with models that actually work. So we have that going for us.
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As for content, I guess it depends on what you mean by "content". We're the organisation to actually produce an electronic copy of the first edition of Zetetic Astronomy (available from our library (http://library.tfes.org/)). We got it because we cared and were willing to put in some effort. It wasn't even that difficult.
acenci, also note how we are not charging for this information. All this knowledge is free for anyone interested. Compare that to Doober's model of, "this is true, and to discover why just pay the low low price of $29.99 for my book!"
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Thanks to all for the information. Since it costs so little, I will suggest to our administrator to pay for the same ads.
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Thanks to all for the information. Since it costs so little, I will suggest to our administrator to pay for the same ads.
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"Our"? Aren't you banned? Or is this another forum?
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Thanks to all for the information. Since it costs so little, I will suggest to our administrator to pay for the same ads.
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"Our"? Aren't you banned? Or is this another forum?
All the people Eric has banned have started their own forum
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Thanks to all for the information. Since it costs so little, I will suggest to our administrator to pay for the same ads.
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"Our"? Aren't you banned? Or is this another forum?
All the people Eric has banned have started their own forum
We have founded a forum of banned shills, to do group therapy:
Yeah, I really need to work on my memory.
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I don't see the need to install any individual. There are apparently a wide variety of nuances splintering those interested in further discussion on the topic of the FE model.
Answering simple questions is the best start, finding empirical, repeatable procedures. There is no business discussing what cannot be proven or repeatable. Otherwise the discussion holds as much water as any other supposition.
I wish to see a forum that is free of politics as it only serves to divert the subject at hand.
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@ Eric Dubay
My first attempt to post on the international research forum resulted in my IP address being banned; and my sin? I pointed out that in chapter 11 of Atlantean Conspiracy
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy11.htm
there are glaring errors regarding the history of banking in the U.S., the views of Lincoln on banking and currency; Jefferson's views on money and banks
this article of Dubay is chuck full of falsehoods, fabrications and fake quotes:
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/08/federal-reserve-bank.html
Upon reading Dubay's articles it is immediatelly clear that Dubay knows nothing about the history of banking in the U.S. (other than that there were banks there in the 19th century)
Instead of reading the collected papers of Jefferson, Lincoln, Jackson, Garfield etc., to familiarize himself with the views of these historical figures, he merely regurgitates what Epperson, Mars and other book-peddlers regurgitated (from RE Search to Ellen Brown) --none of these book-peddlers have seen the inside of the library or studied the subject on which they compile paper-backs
so much for the Dubay who set out to uncover every conspiracy..... one of these is the conspiracist house of cards, constructed by the book-peddlers of the past 150 years
occasionally, read some history, too:---
http://name789.wordpress.com/
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Yes, Eric Dubay hates people who disagree with them and calls them "shills". That's hardly big news.
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I got bammed after just one post. It was a suggestion to use a bubble level at the beach to see if the horizon is at eye level or not. Maybe it was too complicated for them. :-\
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A member wants to get a "Think Tank" together to move FE forward... And the idea is stifled, blackballed, and discouraged by TFES members?
http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3120.0
What does it look like to you?
—Rx
What? As far as I can see, there's only one discouraging post in that thread, and it's made by Thork. Thork is always wrong and no one takes him seriously. Where's all this "stifling, blackballing, and discouraging"?
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This thing still exists? I'm impressed. I thought it would have lost momentum by now.
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I got bammed after just one post. It was a suggestion to use a bubble level at the beach to see if the horizon is at eye level or not. Maybe it was too complicated for them. :-\
So did I - instabanned. Consider yourself in good company.
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And I've just joined the elite club of people banned near-instantly at Dubay's forum. I didn't even disagree with anything he said, saying only I intended to research his model to see whether it was an improvement. All I offered was some of my own observations and deductions, which could refine his theory.
It's quite a joke, that he calls his site a research society. It's dedicated to his ego: if there was any actual research going on he wouldn't immediately ban every FEer who could improve his model.
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Thanks to all for the information. Since it costs so little, I will suggest to our administrator to pay for the same ads.
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"Our"? Aren't you banned? Or is this another forum?
All the people Eric has banned have started their own forum
Wouldn't this be safe to say that they are actually not shills then? \o/ These people were actually seeking answers. :o
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And I've just joined the elite club of people banned near-instantly at Dubay's forum. I didn't even disagree with anything he said, saying only I intended to research his model to see whether it was an improvement. All I offered was some of my own observations and deductions, which could refine his theory.
It's quite a joke, that he calls his site a research society. It's dedicated to his ego: if there was any actual research going on he wouldn't immediately ban every FEer who could improve his model.
Yep. I joined the club.
I got zapped for pointing out that I know people who have flown Sydney to Santiago. The SS-Scharführer hit squad also deleted all my posts and edited posts by others after banning them. It all seems a bit over the top for a flat earth conspiracy web site, what is Fuhrer Dubay afraid of. Only the pliant sycophants are left. The Hitler worship is pretty disgusting stuff. Almost as stomach turning as the Eric worship.
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i glanced @ his Forum....mainly out of curiosity;
whilst i agree 100% with what he says abt Hitler, WWII, nazis, jews &c (i.e: what most people have been told abt these topics is a BIG LIE), his antagonism towards Christianity is, quite frankly, ridiculous;
he should go back to believing in the round Earth because a flat, dome-covered, "snow globe" Earth is backed up by the Bible 100%........
(more particularly by the Book of Enoch which, really, should be a part of the Canon and, for the first few hundred yrs of the CE actually was!)
i think there is some-thing like 70pgs of Scripture that support the "snow globe" Earth;
there is, of course, much more evidence supporting the Biblical account.....archæology, Intelligent Design, the Bible codes, near death experiences &c;
too much stuff to go into;
overwhelming evidence...indisputable and irrefutable....what the Bible calls "many infallible proofs";
any-one who doubts that can "dip into" the extensive archives of sites like creation.com and ldolphin.org ;
i believe that there is a massive triple whammy coming...a 'trifecta' of proofs.....a tidal wave of evidence that will convince the world of the absolute integrity and truth of God's Word.......the flat Earth, the CERN Hadron collider and Intelligent Design in Nature;
(CERN will convince the world of the reality of the demonic realm and that their only protection against it is Jesus Christ and the Power of His Name!.....many Y-tbs on that here..... http://tinyurl.com/CERN-rfrncs ; )
DuBay is a fool! ..... even more of a fool than a hardened atheist.....he's a wilful fool! :(
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i glanced @ his Forum....mainly out of curiosity;
whilst i agree 100% with what he says abt Hitler, WWII, nazis, jews &c (i.e: what most people have been told abt these topics is a BIG LIE), his antagonism towards Christianity is, quite frankly, ridiculous;
he should go back to believing in the round Earth because a flat, dome-covered, "snow globe" Earth is backed up by the Bible 100%........
(more particularly by the Book of Enoch which, really, should be a part of the Canon and, for the first few hundred yrs of the CE actually was!)
i think there is some-thing like 70pgs of Scripture that support the "snow globe" Earth;
there is, of course, much more evidence supporting the Biblical account.....archæology, Intelligent Design, the Bible codes, near death experiences &c;
too much stuff to go into;
overwhelming evidence...indisputable and irrefutable....what the Bible calls "many infallible proofs";
any-one who doubts that can "dip into" the extensive archives of sites like creation.com and ldolphin.org ;
i believe that there is a massive triple whammy coming...a 'trifecta' of proofs.....a tidal wave of evidence that will convince the world of the absolute integrity and truth of God's Word.......the flat Earth, the CERN Hadron collider and Intelligent Design in Nature;
(CERN will convince the world of the reality of the demonic realm and that their only protection against it is Jesus Christ and the Power of His Name!.....many Y-tbs on that here..... http://tinyurl.com/CERN-rfrncs ; )
DuBay is a fool! ..... even more of a fool than a hardened atheist.....he's a wilful fool! :(
Thank you for saying all this; I was seriously disappointed at all the other stuff that he seems to be pushing, which serves to detract from the FE message.
I mean, I came to Flat Earth after a few years of being a Geocentrist, convinced that as an Orthodox Christian, I wished to follow what the Fathers of the Early Church had to say even in their Cosmology if they were unanimous or nearly so. I saw that all the Fathers believed in an Flat Earth, all.
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Hello.
Flat earth Society.
I've been banned aswell from Eric's Forum.
At this point I've decided to involve myself directly.
After reaching out to Eric and other flat earth youtube 2015 folks.
Feeling highly ignored and brushed aside.
I'm annoyed because on the Audio I agree heavily with Eric,
and his perspectives. Which is Why it's so bothersome
to be ignored when I'm agreeing and promoting his work?
If he was interested in book sales, then why Ban a Genuine
follower? Instead of having me on his side. Eric
Has turned me against him.
At this point
I'm writing to you guys for your personal Entertainment.
I've never posted here before.
I only posted here after googling Eric Dubay Banned my account.
What I am stating, I have taken such a high offense to this Man's
behavior that I have decided to Wage my own Version of Warfare Against
Eric.
Eric claims that he is Under shill Attack.
I'm sorry Eric. You can dismiss the Shill tactics.
You are now Under Direct attack Buddy.
NO gimmics, just words and a whole lot of getting disrespected.
Anyways.
I hope you all will understand I mean no physical violence.
But Emotional violence is unfolding. :D
I hope you will all enjoy the strikes I will deliver.
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You sound a bit butthurt about being banned. We've all been banned. Most of us only went there to point out where he is wrong about things.
Anyway, he's a nobody. Go into a pub or bar and ask "have you heard of the flat earth society?" and most will have. Then ask "Do you know Eric Dubay?". The difference in our respective footprints is jaw-dropping. Forget him. There are lots of Eric Dubay's. They pop up from time to time and they disappear just as quickly. We just use them as chew toys until that happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVQCQh55iv4&feature=youtu.be
Hardly building any credibility, is he?
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So this is my first post.
I am new to Flat Earth theory and I must say, I LOVE it.
It satisfies a deep sense of peace in my soul. Deeply.
One of the people that "brought me in" was Eric Dubay.
His video series made so much sense and were some of the more coherent videos out there.
As I continued to watch them, I began to sense that he was straying from the facts and beginning
to pontificate and theorize. I stopped watching as it was getting worse and worse. But since his first videos were so good,
I joined his forums. I didn't know there were other forums like this out there. because FE was so important to me, I seriously, honestly felt like I had kindred spirits,
my people in a way. People who were aware. People who understood this flat earth business.
And then I discovered the cesspool of antisemitism and hatred on his site about Hitler and the Jew world order.
I couldn't believe my eyes. I really didn't realize he was an aggressive megalomaniac surrounded by a bunch of sycophants.
I am so grateful for this site. People with sense. People who are open to debate and reject the blatant lies and antisemitism, with the exception of Mister Bickles who apparently thinks all of that Hitler and Jew stuff being true that Eric is saying.
You know, I am Jewish and despite me being very open and aware of the faults of my people, which are nowhere near the kinds of insinuations that are present on Fuhrer Dubay's site, I know the lies from the truth where it comes to these ridiculous accusations and blatant hatred. However, being so open to this new and exciting and important discovery of flat earth, i was shocked and extremely disturbed by the hatred of Jews on his site. The two mixed together for me hit me hard. And if I wasn't as clear as I am about the Jewish people, if I was some non-Jew, or some self-hating Jew, I'd have jumped on that Dubay hatred ban wagon in a jiffy, being so juiced up as I was about Flat Earth.
They did a study in some university that demonstrated that people don't follow leaders who know the truth.
They follow leaders who appear the most confident in what they know, truth or not.
Eric's got that. He's got a zealous strong belief in what he believes and that's why he has such a tight circle jerk of sycophants yes-manning all his ideas.
I think he's dangerous. Very dangerous.
For the credibility of flat earth, but also for the powerful force and conviction with which he spreads his spamming hatred.
So, hey. Thanks for having this much safer (with the exception of other haters like Mister Bickles)
and mentally sound flat earth space.
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You are very welcome.
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They did a study in some university that demonstrated that people don't follow leaders who know the truth.
They follow leaders who appear the most confident in what they know, truth or not.
Eric's got that. He's got a zealous strong belief in what he believes and that's why he has such a tight circle jerk of sycophants yes-manning all his ideas.
I think he's dangerous. Very dangerous.
For the credibility of flat earth, but also for the powerful force and conviction with which he spreads his spamming hatred.
The flat earth movement got a little credibility and now has hit the wall and fractured into multiple warring camps, Numbnut Mark Sargent, vs Hitler wannabe Eric Doobuymybook, then there's the stand up comic Matt Boylan, what a disappointing bunch of retards, Samuel Birley Rowbotham, must be spinning in his grave. To think his legacy of challenging the status quo through logic and his Zetetic philosophy of personal observation should be passed on to these ego driven nutters.
In spite of the fact that I don't believe in the flat earth, I can appreciate the cleverness and humor with which Rowbothman confounded his so called "scientific" adversaries.
I'm going to predict that IFERS mob will implode through internal distrust and purges, I predict LizardMuffin and ThinkLikeEric will be the next to go in a "night of the long knives" purge.
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the jewish attack on Western culture and values did not exist in Rowbotham's day;
(its mostly a post-WWII .....or, rather, Jew War II.....phenomenon)
as such: duBay is quite correct to focus on this;
the fact that Sargent doesn't means.....?
(he's a "numbnut"? :( ...not my personal view but.....)
also: jew-controlled alphabet soup agencies (viz: secret police forces closely modelled after the KGB & the Stasi) didn't exist either;
nor did their special powers, surveillance abilities and unaccountabiltiy (again, courtesy of the jew-controlled "war on terror");
as such: Matt Boylan is well-served by his 'comic' routine;
any other approach and he may well have become a "statistic" by now courtesy of T(jew)PTB >:(
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MODERATORS!!
Shouldn't Mister Bickles' spewing of hatred be restricted to only the appropriate places on this forum, like "Complete Nonsense"??
Let him go on and on there, but he's poisoning this forum out of control now everywhere and seriously bringing it down to his level.
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MODERATORS!!
That's not how you do it. If you want to report a post to the moderators, click "Report to moderator" in the bottom-right corner of the post. That way you're increasing the chances of them seeing it.
Shouldn't Mister Bickles' spewing of hatred be restricted to only the appropriate places on this forum, like "Complete Nonsense"??
Let him go on and on there, but he's poisoning this forum out of control now everywhere and seriously bringing it down to his level.
Well, as far as I know there are no rules against bad-mouthing the Jews here...
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Well, as far as I know there are no rules against bad-mouthing the Jews here...
Realllllly???
So, anyone with a hate agenda can just spam all over the forum completely off-topic from the original thread?
Random Flat Earther: "So, friends, what do you think the height of the Sun is above the flat earth?"
Mister Bickles: "Jews started world war 1, world war 2, caused economy to crash, are summoning massive comet to take out Earth with their satanic cult rituals, etc. etc"
Forum moderators: *crickets*
SexWarrior: "There are no rules against bad-mouthing the Jews here.
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It's SW's Dad.
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It's SW's Dad.
Are you saying that Mister Bickles is SexWarrior's father?
For real?
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It's SW's Dad.
Are you saying that Mister Bickles is SexWarrior's father?
For real?
The opinions amongst those who believe in the big conspiracy vary widely as to exactly who is behind it, and if the conspiracy is as all powerful as it's purported to be then how could you ever be sure that you weren't being deliberately misled as the the real power behind the lie. The answer is of course you can't ever be 100% sure you aren't being fooled.
So, I'm with DoctorMoe on this one, while I'm all for free speech and free flow of ideas, to single out and attack a single group as the perpetrators of the conspiracy will derail the debate and ultimately leads to nothing but hatred and bigotry.
If you want a single group to attack, why not go after the real culprits, those disgusting reptilian aliens.
Is it still called xenophobia, when it's an alien species?
Are there any good reptilian aliens? ( don't say a dead one ) ;D
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Well, as far as I know there are no rules against bad-mouthing the Jews here...
Realllllly???
So, anyone with a hate agenda can just spam all over the forum completely off-topic from the original thread?
Random Flat Earther: "So, friends, what do you think the height of the Sun is above the flat earth?"
Mister Bickles: "Jews started world war 1, world war 2, caused economy to crash, are summoning massive comet to take out Earth with their satanic cult rituals, etc. etc"
Forum moderators: *crickets*
SexWarrior: "There are no rules against bad-mouthing the Jews here.
That would just be spam, which is against the rules. Bickles's post in this thread is largely on-topic. It's stupid, certainly, but this topic is kind of stupid anyway.
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It's SW's Dad.
Are you saying that Mister Bickles is SexWarrior's father?
For real?
Of course. Do you not see the obvious similarities between us?
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It's SW's Dad.
Are you saying that Mister Bickles is SexWarrior's father?
For real?
Of course. Do you not see the obvious similarities between us?
That all makes sense now, Mr Bickles is a squid.
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Being my first post but not last. Eric Dubay is a self centered egotistical shillspicious kind of HUMAN BEING
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Let Fairly's post be a reminder that everyone, flat-earth or otherwise, hates Eric Dubay and that's the topic we should stick to.
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Being my first post but not last. Eric Dubay is a self centered egotistical shillspicious kind of HUMAN BEING
We will give you sanctuary here at TFES.
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Why Thank you very kindly. Just to verify Iam not a SCHILL
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New to this found it very fascinated and was promptly banned (3 posts).
I posted this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3203446/Stunning-time-lapse-footage-captures-24-hours-relentless-sunlight-illuminates-Antarctica-FOUR-months-summer.html
I think thats why i was banned and I also said i was conspiracy theorist too.
Oh well I do not think I will bother reading eric's book
I am going to cancel my order with amazon. He seems like a real ass. That's if he banned me? I guess others watch the gate also huh? Anyway very disappointing, I wanted to participate there. Funny I've heard him say he would like to debate Neil deGrasse Tyson LOL I don't think he ever would.
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Having out of curiosity created an account on Mr. Dubay's site ifers.boards.net and presented myself in the Welcome-section as he told me to, I was most surprised to find that my account was banned within minutes with no explanation whatsoever.
Since I was curious as to his behaviour, I created another account from my cellphone sending him a personal message, asking him about the reason for his action. This account was banned as well and no explanation was given, althogh he has my email address.
Mr. Dubay, should you be reading this, you know where to reach me. I am still looking forward to an explanation as to your bizarre conduct.
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I don't think he visits our forum.
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alias57, let me know if you are interested in starting a class action of us banned users.
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alias57, let me know if you are interested in starting a class action of us banned users.
Did you pay for membership? what damages have you experienced? He can do what he likes, it is his forum. Albeit a very badly run one.
I don't think he visits our forum.
He does. He just lurks.
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I paid with my 500 posts and a month of volunteer work, promoting his forum all over the web.
I experienced defamation (as a "shill") and verbal abuse. As Rayn Gryphon would say, I was "harassed, assaulted, bullied, beaten, harmed, injured, mentally abused, gang-stalked".
After months I still haven't recovered, and the same applies to hundreds of his victims.
But the average flat earther is not much better than Eric Dubay. The problem is that he is not the average flat earther, but a prominent one, and one would not expect this sick behavior from him.
The other prominent flat earthers are much nicer: jeranism, Matt Boylan, MrThriveAndSurvive, mark sargent, Stars are Souls... are better than average in terms of good manners and maturity, but he's worse than average.
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How many people are not banned on his forum? While you were there, what was his reason for banning all those people?
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I saw one of Eric's threads where he explains that his site is by FE'ers for FE'ers and he has little use or patience for RE'ers. If you're an RE'er, don't even dare start a new thread with a question, especially if the topic is already in another thread. He's running a "research" society, so make sure that you've done your research before you post and don't post unless you have some new research to contribute. Or if it's to suck Eric's dick.
Them's pretty much the rules over there.
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I think more than 50% are banned. So that would be about 1,000 members banned.
He even said here that he bans 10 people per day:
http://ifers.boards.net/post/13950/thread
One more time, PLEASE do not start a new thread with just a question, a couple sentences, just a video, etc. and without SIGNIFICANT content/research worthy of its own post. Failure to comply with this one simple rule gets about 10 people banned per day...
So, whereas at the start he called everyone a "shill", now he is admitting that he is just throwing people like garbage, because he has too many fans, and can afford to ban them for the most trivial reasons.
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I strongly doubt he has all that many fans at all. He keeps posting in a decommissioned FES Facebook group because that's about the only place where his trolling goes unmoderated. He's desperate for people to read his
book adverts "research", but he really doesn't want people asking him questions or pointing out why he's wrong.
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Well, right now he is still the biggest flat earther by subscribers, with 15,553 subscribers:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77/videos)
Jeranism is in second place with 13,462 subscribers:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS_FY5mR4g22L_E9t1D_ExQ/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS_FY5mR4g22L_E9t1D_ExQ/videos)
Matthew Boylan is in third place, with 12,555 subscribers:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheNASAchannel/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheNASAchannel/videos)
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Speaking of Eric, here is a link to his seminal research paper "200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball".
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_144173719606211&key=bbb516d91daee20498798694a42dd559&libId=iebh65og010004m6000DLozz3lrbq&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fifers.boards.net%2Fthread%2F746%2F200-proofs-earth-spinning-ball&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2Fview%2Fl679prcg097ny8u%2F200_Proofs_Earth_is_Not_a_Spinning_Ball%2521.pdf&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fifers.boards.net%2Fboard%2F9%2Freference-materials-ebooks-articles-videos&title=200%20Proofs%20Earth%20is%20Not%20a%20Spinning%20Ball%20%7C%20The%20International%20Flat%20Earth%20Research%20Society&txt=200%20Proofs%20Earth%20is%20Not%20a%20Spinning%20Ball!%20PDF
Readers of Rowbotham and Carpenter will find many of these "proofs" familiar.
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He's just had his youtube channel knobbled for plagiarism. Something about he can't make videos longer than 15 mins after he ripped off another flat earth youtuber and was reported for it.
http://ifers.boards.net/thread/779/paul-cheeft-shill?page=2
This action of protecting work from Eric stealing it, obviously made the guy a 'shill' instantly and he must now endure Eric's petulant ranting.
Eric has good form on plagiarism. He stole materials from Matt Boylan and we could level similar claims if we didn't make all our stuff open source like the good folks we are. His videos are just littered with other people's animations, images, research and video clips.
Eric is a parasite on our movement. He sucks at the teats of all those making original content, adds some anti-Semitism, and then publishes for profit.
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"Like all cults, we have been waiting for a prophet. A messiah. A new president to lead our society. I believe such a man now exists.
His name is Eric Dupay. A vocal flat earther who is out there right now getting lots of media coverage and exposing NASA and other entities. He does this tirelessly. Its his full time job. Talk shows, TV, radio. He also happens to follow us on Twitter and vice versa and so he is easy to contact.
This week he did 2 radio shows. He has a youtube channel filled with great flat earth content he makes. He's not religious or crazy or fanatical. He just lays down solid evidence for why earth is flat the way we have been doing for years.
He does all the things I would have expected from Shenton. It is my proposal to install him as a figure head of the society. We get our good name exposed. He has the title of "President of the flat earth society" which will help him grab headlines and further his efforts. I see a win for all. "
Six Months makes all the difference!
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Yes, I couldn't forsee from his initial content that he was a lunatic. :(
I'm pretty sure I apologised for my error of judgement many times on this. He didn't start out making Hitler films and calling everybody a 'shill'. He just turned into that weirdo after we found out who he was. :(
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You're making an error of judgement in taking Jura's posts seriously. They're about as loony as Dubay.
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this whole discusion bears an uncanny resemblance to this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
The only thing I hate more than NASA is .......
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Case in point. Thank you, Jura.
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I joined Eric Dubay's forum and my first post was to explain to him that his cannon ball example does not prove the earth in not spinning. The cannon ball example is where he states that when you fire a cannon ball straight up, that fact that it comes straight back down and lands next to the cannon proves the earth is not spinning. So I posted that this is nonsense because just like if you are in a 747 jet and throw a baseball into the air, ball does not go hurling to the back of the plane because the ball also has an initial velocity component in the direction and speed of the moving airplane. This is obvious and i was surprised he was saying this was an example of a stationary earth. But he seemed to also have other examples which were good ones so I figured I would help him out and maybe get him to weed this example out because it could only serve to turn people away.
So what was his response to me posting this? He BANNED ME!!
To me that seems very strange, looks like he is up to something, a shill maybe?
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How do you know he wasn't talking about this flat earth society?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/)
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I joined Eric Dubay's forum ...
So what was his response to me posting this? He BANNED ME!!
To me that seems very strange, looks like he is up to something, a shill maybe?
I think that it is likely that he is suffering from extreme paranoia.
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I joined Eric Dubay's forum ...
So what was his response to me posting this? He BANNED ME!!
To me that seems very strange, looks like he is up to something, a shill maybe?
I think that it is likely that he is suffering from extreme paranoia.
Ha ha, a conspiracy nutter suffering so badly from paranoid delusions.. he shoots his supporters, there's something poetic about that symmetry...
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Stalin was like that
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Hi there flat earthers,
found this forum and this thread tonight while googling Eric Dubay. I too have tasted Eric Dubays cold welcome. While ago I posted comment on one of the FE threads on Youtube and said among other things that though I think Eric does better interviews that any other Youtuber I still do not subscribe his world view nor his belief system. I added that in my opinion Adolf Hitler was an antichrist of his own time and satanic occultist. A couple of days later I saw that Eric had posted new video which I watched and liked so I thought I leave a comment. I wrote: 'Great video Eric. Thank you.' Though it seemed that the comment went there alright, later that day I forgot to log in my Youtube account as I went to the same thread and I could not find my comment. But when I logged again in my account my comment was there. First I thought it was some kind of error but when I logged out again and went back that thread I realized that he had blocked my comments. What is rather odd is that this was the first time I wrote a comment to his video. The conclusion was that he had blocked me in advance. Wow, I thought to myself what a charlatan. But then I did the same thing on some other threads I had posted comments and found out that also some of them had also blocked me in advance likely because I said in some of my posts that I believe that the elite behind the globe Earth lie were the zionists Jew bankers who run the world behind the curtain. Among others who had blocked me was Math Boylan from thenasachannel. And I found out to my surprise that Eric and Math were not the only ones. I was shocked and decided to delete my account and channel from youtube. I would have never thought that Youtube FE community would be so close minded. I thought, perhaps naively, that the FE community were there for the truth but I guess they are not really there for the truth but for the fanbase for like minded fans which IMO is rather sad. I hope I do not find myself blocked when I come back here - just joking.
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There is the flat earth community ... well done, tonight you found it. Then there is a cottage industry of adolescent narcissists who have taken those ideas and try to monetise them. For them it is about their public image, youtube views, selling books and doing interviews. You can post almost anything you like here as long as it doesn't destroy other people's enjoyment of the forums. You can hold any view you like. We don't remove a comment because you might think earth is round. Our only purpose is to have debate, get people to know there is an alternative world view and discuss it. Their agenda is very different. They are maintaining a livelihood and need to put bread on the table. They aren't going to let you screw that up for them.
I will add that not a single member of those youtube c-listers is actually a member of the flat earth society. And it isn't like we told them they can't join. They just don't have any interest in the subject itself. Its about money, e-fame and vanity.
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E. Dubay's book is devoted to basic arguments about FE theory; he does not present any of the advanced topics at all.
Moreover, he copied my Black Sun/Solar Eclipse presentation, and also the Nuclear Hoax Theory.
However, it should be noted that Eric cannot explain how a nuclear plant actually functions, he needs the ether theory from my messages, which he does not understand yet.
He also copied two of the images I have been using for years as FE maps:
http://ifers.boards.net/post/23
If the faq here and over at the other website would be modified to present, for the first time, advanced FET topics, then things would change for the better (Dubay's point that the UA is the only gravitational theory being put forward).
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If the faq here and over at the other website would be modified to present, for the first time, advanced FET topics, then things would change for the better (Dubay's point that the UA is the only gravitational theory being put forward).
You keep saying this, but whenever I offer you to make changes to the FAQ, you go silent. The way things work around here is that the members make their own contributions, not just demand them.
If you'd like to make changes to the FAQ, write them, show them to others, and if they're popular, we'll happily include them.
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The official faq here (and at the other website) is way too complicated: too many pages, links, questions...
A single page faq will suffice.
People want to see a direct proof immediately: thus, the faq must start with the Tunguska incident, I have already posted the brief version. A few links to the Lake Ontario/Lake Michigan, English Channel, Strait of Gibraltar should also be posted.
Then, they want to know why the RE does not work at all: links to the Double Forces of Attractive Gravitation, Gases Paradox...
Next, links to how gravity works in the FE universe... that is, the correct explanation this time around.
A simple bibliographical material devoted to the Sun's orbit... that it does rise and set...
Links to all the other issues: Foucault, Venus annular size, phases of the Moon, the atmosphere, clouds' weight...
By the way... this is the kind of erroneous diagrams that have been presented for years now in the faq:
http://wiki.tfes.org/images/a/a1/Seasons.png
http://wiki.tfes.org/images/thumb/7/70/SunAnimation.gif/180px-SunAnimation.gif
http://wiki.tfes.org/images/thumb/c/c8/Flat_Earth_Seasons.svg/600px-Flat_Earth_Seasons.svg.png
There is only a small problem: the westward shift of the solar orbit (precession), at the rate of 1.5 km per year.
In 100 years we will have 150 km.
In 1000 years, 1500 km.
Let us remember that the upper limit/bound is given by the distance between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer: some 6000 km (flat earth map).
The diagrams above fail to include this most important aspect of the sun's orbit, its very precession.
In 4000 years, the precession WILL EXCEED the space alloted for the sun's orbit.
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I'm new to this forum. I figure it will not be like Dubay's which bans people for no freaking reason whatsoever. He unfriended me from facebook the moment I criticized his forum.
Anyway, he was banned from FB so his new user name is "Eric Dubaz" and he is continuing his attacks on other flat earthers. I responded to him in a flat earth group after he posted. Basically, after being a victim of his behavior myself, and seeing how harsh and intolerant he is to anyone else, I have concluded Eric is nothing more than a bully. He fits the psychological profile of a bully, except his audience is online.
Yes, he has produced great videos and a good website. So what? If he is an asshole to people, then doesn't that defeat the purpose? He accuses others of being "shills" which will discredit the flat earth movement, and yet his own behavior has turned many people I know off from the whole thing, and I have reserved myself from much dialogue about it since he banned me from his forum in July. Who has time to waste on a forum where they censor you for nothing?
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I can't help but to wonder how well some of our true believer FE'ers, like Tom Bishop or Sandokhan, would fare on Eric's site.
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I tried to register, but I got no response after the admin found out it was me.
Not even E. Dubay understands what it takes to actually write a bestseller about FET...
People do not want to see nice, long winded arguments about basic stuff (atmosphere, geocentricity).
You need to do only one thing: to make outrageous (unconventional, extravagant) claims, and then go on and prove them.
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I got you guys beat, I was banned before I could post.
ED lives in Thailand, do a search for 'thailand hitler' and you will see why he went there.
What most of you don't seem to know is ED posts whacked out conspiracy stuff all over under many different names. Kind of like throwing poo and seeing what sticks. As was said above, ifers is a circle jerk.
If you haven't seen how ridiculous things are with him, for me this proves it. If you go to ifers and click on the section called 'Reference Material' and scroll down to a thread about the 'FAA', open and read it. Read the document in question, or just the first page.
Now, if people get banned for asking a question, why wasn't this account banned for spreading this, especially when not one person commenting has even looked at it?
When ED finds what will pay, he will settle there. He is just trying to discredit others to take the 'Alternative News' crown. If you actually read and examine his writings, I think it is safe to say he does not believe, he is trying to create a stay-at-home career.
On top of that, why would an atheist use scripture to prove anything? If you don't believe in god, it takes a gigantic leap of faith to believe the bible is history.
Dr. David Thork you rock!!!
And to the jew hater up there- If we rule everything and have all the money, where the fuck is my money? I'm jewish and never had any.
And how sad must generations be to have been trying to stomp out a group of people for thousands of years, only to fail time and again?
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Dr. David Thork you rock!!!
Indeed, I do.
Wouldn't kill any of you other reprobates to acknowledge that once in a while, either. >:(
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I got you guys beat, I was banned before I could post.
ED lives in Thailand, do a search for 'thailand hitler' and you will see why he went there.
What most of you don't seem to know is ED posts whacked out conspiracy stuff all over under many different names. Kind of like throwing poo and seeing what sticks. As was said above, ifers is a circle jerk.
If you haven't seen how ridiculous things are with him, for me this proves it. If you go to ifers and click on the section called 'Reference Material' and scroll down to a thread about the 'FAA', open and read it. Read the document in question, or just the first page.
Now, if people get banned for asking a question, why wasn't this account banned for spreading this, especially when not one person commenting has even looked at it?
When ED finds what will pay, he will settle there. He is just trying to discredit others to take the 'Alternative News' crown. If you actually read and examine his writings, I think it is safe to say he does not believe, he is trying to create a stay-at-home career.
On top of that, why would an atheist use scripture to prove anything? If you don't believe in god, it takes a gigantic leap of faith to believe the bible is history.
Dr. David Thork you rock!!!
And to the jew hater up there- If we rule everything and have all the money, where the fuck is my money? I'm jewish and never had any.
And how sad must generations be to have been trying to stomp out a group of people for thousands of years, only to fail time and again?
Got banned as well before I was able to login. There's a lot of interesting stuff on his board, but as usual with every forum, you have facts and opinions. And it's sometimes difficult to see which is which. Live in the same country as his though, perhaps I'll look him up for a chat, maybe not.
The Hitler references in Thailand are 100% ignorance, whatever spin the western media gives to it. Most people here don't have a clue who that guy was and what he did. He just looks cool. They don't have any opinion about Jews. Depending on the looks they are "farang" (white man) or Arab. Farang are good, they have money.
Dzenghis Khan is much more popular than Hitler, but also that is due to complete historical ignorance. They haven't got a clue whatsoever regarding this issue.
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Eric Dubay is a goober and if you guys wanted him for whatever reason you should pull that card. I don't even know what I did to get banned on his web forum. I know that I read it and commented that I was just observing and that was about it. I gave someone else the link this evening after never posting there again and you know what I was not only IP banned on multiple devices but user name banned as well. No doubt it was something that I said elsewhere which triggered him. What a dork you are Eric Dubay. If you want to defeat Eric stop looking at flat earth for just one moment. Look at the other topics he discusses like nuclear weapons don't exist for starters. It's the other arguments that simply don't fly which he can't back and expose what an obvious sham he is. You should distant yourself far and fast from this goober I'd even delete this entire thread. Afer all I found it...
Oh btw Mr. Dubay, you should watch out who you ban. I'm not new to the internet and I've fought many battles. I'll be back on your site at my discretion. Any bans from a forum are so far beneath me that it is the reason I have come here to post to you in a completely different forum since your own is obviously not fair ground for debate. I'm careful who I argue with and I remember the arguments but on your site there never were any involving myself. For the time being I will make a few rounds and be sure to let people know you can't handle any criticism whatsoever. Look at the way you responded to these people, and they are your own ilk. Certainly you have a reason for misleading people and I think it's more than profit. I'll continue observing for now but know that you have made me an enemy by banning me without due cause. I am oblivious as to what it was but I do see the ban and to me that means you have a problem with me. I hereby accept your offer to have an internet dispute.
"giving me full administrative control of the forum and all material"
- Power trip much?
"Many people on your forums display the behavior of paid agents and instead of being banned, it appears many are promoted to moderators."
- That's funny Eric, because I was thinking the same thing of you when I noticed my IP and username banned on a forum that I barely even posted on. Certainly, nothing was posted that was ban worthy yet you were still concerned. Perhaps it had nothing to do with me whatsoever and your own paranoia drives you to ban everyone that you can. Anyone that knew anything about me wouldn't go for the noob ban. I wouldn't give you access to an IRC channel or a web mail the idea of you having access to anyone else's website is just hilarious. This guy would ban all of you from your own website.
If you were a continuation of the IFERS, you would have been called IFERS all these years, not FES.
- If you were not acting like a spoiled child you would never ask them to rename nor would you request administrative rights straight out of the gate. Who are you to have that type of access again? Considering that you keep speaking of paid agents I'm not sure these people should entrust someone such as yourself with a log of every single password they have entered into this site with all other information that might be considered of value. It's a very odd request don't you think Mr. Dubay?
TFES I think you should declare war with this individual. If you desire assistance just message me I'll swing back by again. I promise not to request administrative rights.
Sincerely,
Ezwip
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We really don't have any interest in him (other than our own Dr. David Thork). He is pretty irrelevant.
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I'm not sure what I will do to retaliate yet but when I figure it out I'll be sure to let you guys know. Sorry if I overstepped any boundaries in posting but I think he will eventually read it. ;)
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I'm not sure what I will do to retaliate yet but when I figure it out I'll be sure to let you guys know.
There's really no need for that. This isn't the anti-Dubay forum.
Although this thread might as well be.
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I think it should be the anti Dubay forum. You guys might as well ride his wave and then when he crumbles they'll all trickle over here. He is good at what he does but he is focused on ruling his little kingdom. It will stay little as a result but it is a steady source for you to draw from if you use the right meta tags.
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He is crumbling. Most of his online haunts have either been deleted or highjacked from him. ProBoards will probably delete his forum in the next couple of months and Wordpress will probably follow.
Also goes by Eric Michael(s).
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He is crumbling. Most of his online haunts have either been deleted or highjacked from him. ProBoards will probably delete his forum in the next couple of months and Wordpress will probably follow.
Also goes by Eric Michael(s).
Speak on, what are you talking about.
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IP banned before I even got my activation code.....wtf
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He is crumbling. Most of his online haunts have either been deleted or highjacked from him. ProBoards will probably delete his forum in the next couple of months and Wordpress will probably follow.
Also goes by Eric Michael(s).
His proboards forum is now gone. http://ifers.boards.net/
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I think he is a schizophrenic and false flag. He is a controlled opposite and aim to occur factions in believers.
God damn him.
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That other guy, Matthew Boylan, is a better pick. I don't know why we would want to court someone who believes in reptilian conspiracies
Yes, because that would be crazy right?