The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Investigations => Topic started by: Bad Puppy on January 21, 2019, 01:24:05 AM
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In 4 hours, the blood moon eclipse will reach totality in NA, SA, Greenland, Iceland, and the UK. If you're in one of these locations, let's try to take photos if we have a clear sky above us.
It will begin around 11:41 p.m. ET on Jan. 20 and peak around 12:16 a.m. ET on Jan. 21.
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Lunar eclipse doesn’t have a flat earth explanation. Let’s hope that changes after tonight. Maybe we can gather some data.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
Source?
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timeanddate will be streaming it live as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cka9HcT6ETk
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In hindsight... China should have landed on the near side of the moon to film the lunar eclipse from the moons perspective, lol.
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Apparently, I dont have the right equipment for doing night time photos of astronomical objects. However, my observations 10:45pm EST in Indianapolis, Indiana, show me that the eclipse is coming on in the bottom side (East?) of my view of the moon as I am facing SE 120 degrees (according to the compass on my phone).
I was able to take some crappy photos with my phone through the lens of my telescope. (Don't make fun of me, lol, my budget is spent on children).
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The shadow is growing...
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Apparently, I dont have the right equipment for doing night time photos of astronomical objects. However, my observations 10:45pm EST in Indianapolis, Indiana, show me that the eclipse is coming on in the bottom side (East?) of my view of the moon as I am facing SE 120 degrees (according to the compass on my phone).
I was able to take some crappy photos with my phone through the lens of my telescope. (Don't make fun of me, lol, my budget is spent on children).
I’m getting similar results. I’m about 4 hours southeast of you.
I’m in no position for a true experiment, as I’m at work, but it seems when I’m facing southeast at 140° the shadow is at the bottom. 11pm.
EDIT
Moon is almost half covered.
EDIT EDIT
Around 10:45 is was in fact more in line with 120°
EDITx3 11:20pm 150°
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Moon is almost completely in Earth's shadow right now. Moon on my s/e at approximately 150 degrees. Coming in from bottom left. I'll up pics later.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
Source?
This is a misunderstanding on Tom's part. A number of us attempted to explain how it works, but I'm not sure he ever understood it or not. As of his last post in that thread he continued to state he didn't.
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According to FE theory there should be some other body covering the moon right now. If that's the case then that mysterious body should be directly above the earth somewhere and be fully lit by the sun.
It should be fully visible somewhere on the earth. Just where is it? who can see it?
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The Moon is almost completely dark on my W (271°).
EDIT: The shadow is moving from my left to my right.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
Source?
This is a misunderstanding on Tom's part. A number of us attempted to explain how it works, but I'm not sure he ever understood it or not. As of his last post in that thread he continued to state he didn't.
Yeah, I just asked for the source because I knew Tom didn’t understand what he was trying to debunk. I’m not entirely sure how it works either, but I know it’s more complex than just east/west. The reason we don’t have a lunar eclipse all the time is because it orbits the earth on a different plane than the earth orbits the sun. Or something like that. I don’t know I’m kinda drunk I’ll get back to you in the morning lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/MJ4tQ3H.jpg)
It all started off quite well for me here, but after this the clouds rolled in and that was the last I saw. Missed the whole blood moon thing altogether.
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The reason we don’t have a lunar eclipse all the time is because it orbits the earth on a different plane than the earth orbits the sun
That is right. The Moons orbit around Earth is inclined to the Earths orbit around the Sun by 5 degrees. Most months the full Moon passes either north or south of the extent of the Earths shadow.
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It all started off quite well for me here, but after this the clouds rolled in and that was the last I saw. Missed the whole blood moon thing altogether.
Yes. Bastard clouds. I got a couple of photos (not as good as those) when the shadow started to go across but then the clouds obscured the rest :(
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It all started off quite well for me here, but after this the clouds rolled in and that was the last I saw. Missed the whole blood moon thing altogether.
Yes. Bastard clouds. I got a couple of photos (not as good as those) when the shadow started to go across but then the clouds obscured the rest :(
And to add insult to injury - hardly a cloud in the sky now of course. Argh!
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It all started off quite well for me here, but after this the clouds rolled in and that was the last I saw. Missed the whole blood moon thing altogether.
Yes. Bastard clouds. I got a couple of photos (not as good as those) when the shadow started to go across but then the clouds obscured the rest :(
And to add insult to injury - hardly a cloud in the sky now of course. Argh!
Yes, it did this last time. Lovely clear night skies for days, then we had an eclipse and it was completely covered in cloud :(
Interested by this quote from this Wiki page:
The Sun's light is powerful enough to shine through the outer layers of the Shadow Object, just as a flashlight is powerful enough to shine through your hand when you put it right up against your palm.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Why_the_Lunar_Eclipse_is_Red
The reason your hand looks red when you shine a torch through it is because there's blood in your hands and blood is red. The reason in the real world why the lunar eclipse is red is because of the way light filters through the atmosphere and hits the moon, the same reason sunsets are red. I'm not clear what FE think is in the shadow object which causes the red effect.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
When was it confirmed to do this?
Do you mean true E/W in lunar geography, or a notional North=up, South=down, West=left, East=right for a particular observer?
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It all started off quite well for me here, but after this the clouds rolled in and that was the last I saw. Missed the whole blood moon thing altogether.
Count yourself lucky if you hadn't travelled too far; in 1761 ....
"... Guillaume Le Gentil, whose experiences are wonderfully summarized by Timothy Ferris in Coming of Age in the Milky Way . Le Gentil set off from France a year ahead of time to observe the transit (of Venus) from India, but various setbacks left him still at sea on the day of the transit — just about the worst place to be since steady measurements were impossible on a pitching ship.
Undaunted, Le Gentil continued on to India to await the next transit in 1769. With eight years to prepare, he erected a first-rate viewing station, tested and retested his instruments, and had everything in a state of perfect readiness. On the morning of the second transit, June 4, 1769, he awoke to a fine day, but, just as Venus began its pass, a cloud slid in front of the
Sun and remained there for almost exactly the duration of the transit: three hours, fourteen minutes, and seven seconds.
Stoically, Le Gentil packed up his instruments and set off for the nearest port, but en route he contracted dysentery and was laid up for nearly a year. Still weakened, he finally made it onto a ship. It was nearly wrecked in a hurricane off the African coast. When at last he reached home, eleven and a half years after setting off, and having achieved nothing, he discovered that his relatives had had him declared dead in his absence and had enthusiastically plundered his estate. "
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Wow! And there’s me moaning about wasting a couple of hours when I could have been sleeping.
Have to admire the commitment to experimenting and learning though.
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Here are my photos from last night. Holy crap it was cold out. My wife probably thought I was crazy.
This was taken in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Not a cloud in the sky.
Times taken:
Top Left: 10:43 PM ET
Top Right: 11:15 PM ET
Bottom Left: 11:42 PM ET
Bottom Right: 12:12 AM ET
Focal length 500mm. Shutter speed, ISO and aperture varied due to diminishing brightness.
(https://i.imgur.com/cci6E3Z.jpg)
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If the eclipse is being caused by an unknown shadow object, such as sandokhan's shadow moon (which is supposedly the same size as the moon, sun, and jupiter), then it's interesting that the shadow is so large yet the object causing the shadow can't be seen by anyone. If anyone has personally witnessed such a shadow object (no NASA employees, please), I would love to see evidence of this.
The photo below shows an illustration of an extrapolation of the shadow based on the arc on the moon.
(https://i.imgur.com/CZcY1bz.jpg)
Please note: The blue circle is NOT part of the original photo. I added that to the photo of the moon for illustration purposes.
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The Moon was at perigee at the time of the eclipse, 357,342km. Using the size comparison of the Moons disk, your blue disk (shadow of the Earth) and the diameter of the Earth we should be able to show that the shadow of the Earth would indeed be that diameter at the Moons distance.
Anyone who thinks that the Moon, Sun and Jupiter are all the same size clearly has no understanding of the solar system.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
The direction in which the shadow moves over the Moon is entirely dictated by observer position/geographical location
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCHOFYwQ7Ys
Physically, it moves from right to left behind the Earth (if viewed from a point between Earth and Sun), but observers on or close to the equator will see/saw the shadow move from top to bottom or vice versa, whereas those at the poles will see it move from L-R or R-L depending on which pole they are at.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
Source?
This is a misunderstanding on Tom's part. A number of us attempted to explain how it works, but I'm not sure he ever understood it or not. As of his last post in that thread he continued to state he didn't.
I recall not responding to the sloppy diagram you posted in that other thread because I didn't feel the need of embarrassing you over something that all could see was wrong.
If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
The direction in which the shadow moves over the Moon is entirely dictated by observer position/geographical location
Physically, it moves from right to left behind the Earth (if viewed from a point between Earth and Sun), but observers on or close to the equator will see/saw the shadow move from top to bottom or vice versa, whereas those at the poles will see it move from L-R or R-L depending on which pole they are at.
Something that moves from East to West will not move from West to East from a different position.
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
Source?
This is a misunderstanding on Tom's part. A number of us attempted to explain how it works, but I'm not sure he ever understood it or not. As of his last post in that thread he continued to state he didn't.
I recall not responding to the sloppy diagram you posted in that other thread because I didn't feel the need of embarrassing you over something that all could see was wrong.
I'd love to see you explain how it's wrong. At worst I learn something new. At best we figure out where your ability to comprehend the situation is failing and we can correct it. Win/win. Not everyone has an inability to fathom they can be wrong. I'd also note not a single person commented that it was incorrect, and I'm willing to bet if I had it as wrong as you claim plenty of RE proponents would have corrected me on the matter. But let's see it hmm? I'd also note, your unwillingness to comment more doesn't make my statement false. You WERE still confused about the topic last you posted, and I maintain it's due to some misunderstanding on your end.
If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
The direction in which the shadow moves over the Moon is entirely dictated by observer position/geographical location
Physically, it moves from right to left behind the Earth (if viewed from a point between Earth and Sun), but observers on or close to the equator will see/saw the shadow move from top to bottom or vice versa, whereas those at the poles will see it move from L-R or R-L depending on which pole they are at.
Something that moves from East to West will not move from West to East from a different position.
East to West still needs to be defined. Which is the N pole of the Moon? Is it supposed to be E to W from the perspective of Earth? I'm also still genuinely curious to see any evidence you have of the Eclipse NOT moving in the correct direction.
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Something that moves from East to West will not move from West to East from a different position.
As was said, you need to define which E/W you're referring to. Clarify.
If you're looking at cars moving in front of you, and you're looking North, then cars moving from your right to your left will be moving E to W. If you stand on your head, they'll still be going E to W, but will appear to you to be going L to R.
If you stand upright again, and if the cars stay still, but you rotate clockwise on the spot, the cars will appear to move R to L, E to W in your field of view.
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Tom, What is your problem with it exactly? It is observed to happen or it doesn’t. You can’t change reality. This matches what a globe would see. If the Earth were flat, why would everyone see the same phase just turned depending on your latitude? On a flat Earth the phases would turn according to latitude and different phases seen depending on longitude. We see the phases of the moon every day do the exact same thing just slower.
Your inability to understand doesn’t change reality.
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Something that moves from East to West will not move from West to East from a different position.
As was said, you need to define which E/W you're referring to. Clarify.
Can we all agree on this perhaps?
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenographic_coordinates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenographic_coordinates))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Moon-map.png)
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If you do watch the eclipse, take note of whether it comes from the East or the West on the moon's surface. Sometimes it runs contrary to RET.
The direction in which the shadow moves over the Moon is entirely dictated by observer position/geographical location
Physically, it moves from right to left behind the Earth (if viewed from a point between Earth and Sun), but observers on or close to the equator will see/saw the shadow move from top to bottom or vice versa, whereas those at the poles will see it move from L-R or R-L depending on which pole they are at.
Something that moves from East to West will not move from West to East from a different position.
If E-W is Left to Right for a person standing upright, then it will be Right to Left for a person standing on their head.
The physical direction is unchanged, but the observation is back-to-front.
An observer at a perpendicular to the Moon's orbital plane will see it move from their right to left, with the shadow first appearing on the left of the Moon
An observer aligned with this plane will see the Moon move from their feet to their head, with the shadow moving onto the top of the Moon first, OR move from their head to their feet, with the shadow encroaching from the bottom
No?
In response to a YouTuber who could not fathom why, when viewing from Florida, the 2018 eclipse appeared from the top of the Moon and not the bottom, I made a video. All I got in return was spurious comments about the observer figure not being to scale, or me not using a ball to represent the Moon. Let's see what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3MFChLPNec