Flight Times?...
« on: November 29, 2015, 10:49:36 AM »
Hi there

I was looking into the Flat earth and round earth theories in regards to flight journey times.
When looking on the flat earth map the UK is around half the distance to New Zealand that South Africa is, which leads me to wonder why the flight time is less from South Africa?
Can anybody explain this?

Look forward to your replies

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Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2015, 05:48:11 PM »
That flat earth map is probably not correct. Here is another one:

http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=misery_index/azimuthal_equidistant=31.55,21.09,145
What is the route and flight time from Hawaii to Australia?

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2015, 11:07:07 PM »
Every Flat Earth map I come across has the UK at half the distance to New Zealand than South Africa to New Zealand but flight times are less from South Africa, how could this be?

Approximate flight duration time from London, UK to Wellington, New Zealand is 24 hrs, 16 mins

Approximate flight duration time from Wellington, New Zealand to Pretoria, South Africa is 15 hrs, 16 mins

If the flat earth theory is correct then this cannot be possible?! Can anyone share some light or have I found a floor in the flat earth theory?  ???

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 08:50:11 AM »
I appreciate you taking your time to reply and posting that link but that map allows me to manipulate it so I can't trust its integrity.

I'm not trying to disprove anything and trust me I have an open mind but you need to address all the facts and try to take an objective view to obtain the truth.

The problem with this forum is that as soon as you post a question that even slightly questions the flat earth theory everyone gets aggressive and/or rude instead of answering the question with facts or opinions.

I'm not currently for or against the flat earth theory as I have only been researching this for a week and I have seen some evidence to suggest that the earth is flat but to be certain you need to be able to look at all the evidence to suggest otherwise and be able to prove against it.

I have a genuine question that I have come across that puts the flat earth theory into question and I was wondering if anybody has an answer to counter this question instead of just accusing me of being anti flat earth.

If you google flat earth map you will see all the maps put South Africa further away from New Zealand than the UK but the flight time is around 9 hours less, I personally cannot see how this could be possible on a flat earth map but it is on a round earth map. So I was hoping someone with superior knowledge in this field would be able to answer this honest unbiased question in an informative way?



 

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 11:16:49 AM »


(by contrast here is RE map: notice the different position of New Zealand, http://worldatlas.com/worldmaps/worldpoliticallarge.jpg )


http://www.flight-durations.com/London-to-Wellington

22 hours 55 minutes - 18,000 km

http://www.flight-durations.com/Pretoria-to-Wellington-International-Airport

14 hours 23 minutes - 11,805 km


There is something else you should worry about: the very fact that Greenland appears either as a tiny island or as a gigantic continent (bigger than Canada and the USA put together) on two different RE maps, which are supposed to show the SAME thing.


Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 12:55:14 PM »
I appreciate you taking your time to reply and posting that link but that map allows me to manipulate it so I can't trust its integrity.


What a nonsense this is.

How is this a nonsense? You send me a map that I can phisically change myself! How can I trust what I'm doing is correct, you obviously don't know either as your offering no answers just trying to insult others (great help and credit to this website)
Why don't you go and offer no help on someone else's thread. Your just a typical keyboard warrior who wouldn't dream of speaking to someone like this face to face. Pathetic.


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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2015, 01:02:36 PM »


(by contrast here is RE map: notice the different position of New Zealand, http://worldatlas.com/worldmaps/worldpoliticallarge.jpg )


http://www.flight-durations.com/London-to-Wellington

22 hours 55 minutes - 18,000 km

http://www.flight-durations.com/Pretoria-to-Wellington-International-Airport

14 hours 23 minutes - 11,805 km


There is something else you should worry about: the very fact that Greenland appears either as a tiny island or as a gigantic continent (bigger than Canada and the USA put together) on two different RE maps, which are supposed to show the SAME thing.

Thank you for your reply,
I get what you mean about Greenland, it appears to be a different size on virtually every map.

Just one question about that RE map, isn't that country highlighted in red Cuba?
Isn't New Zealand to the bottom right of the map?

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2015, 01:13:14 PM »
I appreciate you taking your time to reply and posting that link but that map allows me to manipulate it so I can't trust its integrity.


What a nonsense this is.

How is this a nonsense? You send me a map that I can phisically change myself! How can I trust what I'm doing is correct, you obviously don't know either as your offering no answers just trying to insult others (great help and credit to this website)
Why don't you go and offer no help on someone else's thread. Your just a typical keyboard warrior who wouldn't dream of speaking to someone like this face to face. Pathetic.

No one knows what is the correct map. You cannot trust what you are doing is correct. Deal with it or live in your own dreams and fantasies.


This is the whole point, I'm trying to find out some answers to the questions I have so I can up with my own conclusions.
I'm extremely curious about this whole subject and so far on my research there is more evidence to suggest the earth is flat than round but no one can offer me an explanation to my previous question.

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2015, 03:07:29 PM »
I appreciate you taking your time to reply and posting that link but that map allows me to manipulate it so I can't trust its integrity.


What a nonsense this is.

How is this a nonsense? You send me a map that I can phisically change myself! How can I trust what I'm doing is correct, you obviously don't know either as your offering no answers just trying to insult others (great help and credit to this website)
Why don't you go and offer no help on someone else's thread. Your just a typical keyboard warrior who wouldn't dream of speaking to someone like this face to face. Pathetic.

No one knows what is the correct map. You cannot trust what you are doing is correct. Deal with it or live in your own dreams and fantasies.


This is the whole point, I'm trying to find out some answers to the questions I have so I can up with my own conclusions.
I'm extremely curious about this whole subject and so far on my research there is more evidence to suggest the earth is flat than round but no one can offer me an explanation to my previous question.

Eactly, because 'no one' seems to know the correct map. That is the weakness of the flat earth theory.
One thing is clear though. The standard flat earth map (UN map) is very probably wrong. That's why there is no (correct) answer to your questions.

Thank you, I guess I just need to do more research of my own.

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Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2015, 04:52:22 PM »


(by contrast here is RE map: notice the different position of New Zealand, http://worldatlas.com/worldmaps/worldpoliticallarge.jpg )


http://www.flight-durations.com/London-to-Wellington

22 hours 55 minutes - 18,000 km

http://www.flight-durations.com/Pretoria-to-Wellington-International-Airport

14 hours 23 minutes - 11,805 km


There is something else you should worry about: the very fact that Greenland appears either as a tiny island or as a gigantic continent (bigger than Canada and the USA put together) on two different RE maps, which are supposed to show the SAME thing.
What about the position of New Zealand?

Greenland appears smaller or larger depending on what method (oval layout you linked) is used to fit a sphere's surface onto a 2D surface.  It appears larger when the north and south poles are stretched to fit a rectangular layout.

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 09:49:26 PM »
UK to Aus flight distance - 10548 miles
UK to South Africa flight distance - 5572 miles

If you want to belive the distances on a FE map, you need to invent a measurement system that can handle it.

geckothegeek

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2015, 11:03:26 PM »
UK to Aus flight distance - 10548 miles
UK to South Africa flight distance - 5572 miles

If you want to belive the distances on a FE map, you need to invent a measurement system that can handle it.

Same for the size and shape of Australia.

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2016, 04:04:37 PM »
Hi there

I was looking into the Flat earth and round earth theories in regards to flight journey times.
When looking on the flat earth map the UK is around half the distance to New Zealand that South Africa is, which leads me to wonder why the flight time is less from South Africa?
Can anybody explain this?

Look forward to your replies

Hi, I was in the same boat as you a while back. I ran into a problem where once I started asking questions that really got to the meat of FE I stopped getting answer and was just called a troll and to get lost. In my research there are a lot of floors to hit in FE with out real answers. so I have my choice.
You do not have to attack me, I'm never trying to be rude or insensitive. If it seems that way its a mistake please correct me politely.

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2016, 04:14:38 PM »
Last time it was shown that the different paths actually exist although deemed impossible by FE on this forum, it was said that No actual map of flat earth exists to this day.
Ignored by Intikam since 2016.

geckothegeek

Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 05:48:55 AM »
There is no accurate "flat earth map." If you will check it out you will find that the map usually shown is simply a copy of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe. It is one of many "projections" of a 2D map of a 3D globe. It is distorted south of the equator due to the nature of the way the projection was made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection

The Mercator Projection is another type. It is the common wall map usually used in classes. Any type projection is going to have distortion in some areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 06:00:25 AM by geckothegeek »

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Re: Flight Times?...
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 06:36:34 AM »
If you will check it out you will find that the map usually shown is simply a copy of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.
Do you have any evidence to support this notion, or did you just look at two images and decided that since they look similar, then the Earth must be round?
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