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Overall, I would really recommend that you familiarise yourself with FET before trying to argue about it. And not from the likes of 3DGeek, if I may make a gentle suggestion.

That's funny.   3d's threads (with the exception of the Ping) are full of bulletproof logic.

It was disheartening, for me, to see the ping thread being claimed as "proof".  I enjoyed all of his other posts but could only understand in-depth parts of them, and not nearly enough to know with certainty whether or not they were completely accurate.  They are well typed out, full of detail, generally argued well, etc... I really enjoyed reading them.  But the one subject I did know enough about, it was wrong.

I would like to think the other arguments are bulletproof, but I just don't know anymore.  It's too bad, I really did enjoy all the other posts.  It's kind like an athlete you are a fan of testing positive for steroids, it makes you look differently at their other accomplishments.



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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Dropping the other shoe: A new distance metric.
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:08:05 AM »
Dear RE people, I suggest that as a general strategy we should refrain from complex proofs like this and really press on the simpler, easily observable stuff.

The FE has obvious holes in relation to concepts like gravity, momentum, inertia, as well as motion of planets and stars. Notice, for example, that when the topics like the sun's movement or video and photographic evidence come up, there's usually a sudden hush on their end (because this is the kind of stuff they have no logical explanations for). We should press on with these topics until flerfers run out of excuses.

[/plea]

Curious, and this has nothing to do with the reply I just made to you on another thread, but who do you consider FE'ers in this thread?

I meant this more as a general statement, and I figured that there'd be more RE'ers reading this thread than others.

Ah, you said "complex proofs like this" so I figured you were speaking about something/someone specific in this thread.


Edit - it would be great if you could not post things like that in this thread, it adds zero value, is completely off topic, and is not helping to move it forward (FYI, in case you don't fully understand the subject matter, this is all about something that could help RE)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Dropping the other shoe: A new distance metric.
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:45:34 AM »
Dear RE people, I suggest that as a general strategy we should refrain from complex proofs like this and really press on the simpler, easily observable stuff.

The FE has obvious holes in relation to concepts like gravity, momentum, inertia, as well as motion of planets and stars. Notice, for example, that when the topics like the sun's movement or video and photographic evidence come up, there's usually a sudden hush on their end (because this is the kind of stuff they have no logical explanations for). We should press on with these topics until flerfers run out of excuses.

[/plea]

Curious, and this has nothing to do with the reply I just made to you on another thread, but who do you consider FE'ers in this thread?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Homemade footage of curvature of the earth
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:36:30 AM »
Why always so belligerent Obviously.  I imagine you could shoot down many more people if you weren't so flippant.  It's clear that's your goal, and you could do much better I imagine.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Dropping the other shoe: A new distance metric.
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:15:33 AM »
I understand what you are trying to test and I think it could be potentially useful as a supporting argument for RE, but you still need to know the true physical location of your source and destination first.  The traceroute provided goes through the above.net colo facility in Ashburn VA and ends in Dallas, not Japan.  You just need to find some nodes that are known to be in a certain physical location.

To play devils advocate, I do not know with absolute certainty that a node with a hostname of  ae-2.r22.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net is in Ashburn or that  ae-0.a00.dllstx04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net truly is in Dallas, but it doesn't make much sense to have nodes in Japan named like that.

It looks like the ntt infrastructure is sending you to the nearest colo facility they have to the source, which is Dallas and you are in central Texas, so that all seems pretty normal to me.

So as I said a few posts ago, all of this is easily addressed by knowing for sure beforehand the location of your source and destination.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 18, 2017, 06:36:08 AM »
to Pyscho
Enjoy your crack   ;D      ::)

I will and always do, but know I was just trying to help you not get completely obliterated by both FE and RE for your claims.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 18, 2017, 06:04:14 AM »
to  Psychotropic -  you are right -   I put in an extra zero..  It should have been 3200 miles  not 31,000 miles

I.. I... don't think that helps your cause.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 18, 2017, 03:40:08 AM »

I'm glad you said 3,000 miles
The plane was flying about 31,000 mile.

I think you may want to take a step back and review your last couple of posts in this thread, they are like crack for forum signatures.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Dropping the other shoe: A new distance metric.
« on: September 18, 2017, 03:31:44 AM »
There are still a few problems here.

Yes the domain of the last hops are ntt.net, but that doesn't mean the endpoint must be in Japan.  Even if the IP block seems to be in Japan, it can be announced anywhere they want.  A more telling point is that in the host name is a clear physical identifier of Dallas, and Ashburn right before it.  After seeing that it brings into question why a source in Silicon Valley is routed almost immediately to the other side of the country.

As I alluded to in the other convo going on about this, there is a relatively "easy" way to fix this - know for sure where the physical end points are beforehand instead of guessing it afterwards.  For example your company has an office in San Jose and in Tokyo with servers in each office.

Edit:  I admit I'm unsure if you originally said the source was Silicon Valley or Texas, but still the problems I mentioned and the fix are still accurate.  This ping stuff seems to be spread over like 5 threads, difficult to keep track of it all.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the earth flat?
« on: September 17, 2017, 10:43:17 AM »

Finally, I raised the point of ascertaining the machines' locations, which you have no easy way of doing.

This is exactly the main problem.  As you said though, implicitly, this problem can be addressed.  I had more in mind for this reply, but Ga_x2 covered it for the most part.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Alt Flat Earth
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:19:10 AM »
If you get it, please enlighten me, because you are talking about phenomena at an entirely different scale...

A bit like this article,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4319498/Electrons-use-quantum-leaps-jump-atomic-layers.html

And thats a pretty new article (yes I stole picosecond) but I was thinking more of the hundredth monkey and the crossword puzzle and mice in tubes synchronicity effects, none of which have held up to any scientific scrutiny but never the less, that's where my mind was going. This is to say that once new ideas are added to the collective unconscious, the transmission of these ideas speeds up, proving that we are all interconected.

And if we are all interconected then we can technically shift to the other end of the world no problems but I really need somebody to jump in here now because I'm drowning in my own hubris.

Can someone please tell me if its even a possiblity on a quantum level ?

I am no expert on this by any means but comparing a handful of electrons to an entire human being seems to be quite a stretch.  I, very unscientifically, say that's a lot of quantum dice rolls to get a whole person to another place.

Edit:  super cool link though, thanks!

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We now have DKIM set up.

I'm going to wait a little while before configuring DMARC, just in case anyone reports any further problems in the interim. Gmail is accepting our DKIM signatures in my tests, though.

Good idea, and with just SPF + DKIM you should be golden anyways, DMARC is just nice to have.

Awesome I'm glad this all worked out!

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If you implement DKIM, I suggest using a 2048 bit key minimum.

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I have fixed the envelope from issue. Turns out that was default SMF behaviour that we never noticed before.

For the fix, see https://github.com/TheFlatEarthSociety/forum.tfes.org/commit/1941e5539621e052c755bdf0e88e7befebfcc9a4.

I still need to get around to implementing DKIM, but messages seem not to be flagged as spam anymore by gmail in my testing.

Nice!  I'm glad I could help you discover it.  Now your SPF should pass properly and that's a huge step in the right direction.  Something to note is tha doing these things not only improves your inbox placement, but also helps prevent spoofing mails from your domains by bad actors.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Disproof: Why doesn't the southern hemiplane freeze?
« on: September 15, 2017, 07:47:11 AM »
Take this as you will.


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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model
« on: September 15, 2017, 06:37:51 AM »
to Phsychotropic:
Hi,
there are various You Tube Videos.    I believe watching videos of explorers and listening to their interviews from their own lips than a Official Government Documents that of course you are allowed to go there if you have authorization  (meaning you come from a university which will forbid any flat earth talk.)

Also, remember, the CIA and 14 million other government agencies, are keeping a lid of secrecy on it. They have power over the media.  Do you believe we landed on the moon when they can't get through the radiation belt?  Kaiser Aluminum should get a NOBEL Prize for using their aluminum foil on the inside walls of the space capsule.  ha  ha

For more info:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Antarctica-is-extremely-protected-by-the-military-and-that-it-is-not-possible-to-venture-far-inland-even-for-scientific-exploration

Thanks for the link, I will read through it in a moment.  As for the Van Allen belts, I do recall reading some time ago that the scientists performing that experiment stated that the damage and destruction that mission incurred was similar, maybe the same, as what space craft and statsions are designed to mitigate.  I can't find that link right this second.  That does make me wonder something though - do you then believe that there is no dome and that space is accessible to humans?  I have read many threads here and that doesn't seem to be the consensus, although I've also found that different FE "societies" somtimes have rather conflicting views.

Hello again,

I read through each reply in that link and they all say there is no military presence in Antarctica preventing civilians from exploring it.  I'm kind of disappointed as I was looking forward to what the thread had to say about it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model
« on: September 15, 2017, 06:20:02 AM »
hello Psychotropic    :)
Your geometry teacher would agree with me.
You are CORRECT -  If you hold up a basketball in a room without added lighting which showed shadows and reflections -  the Basketball would project the shape of a circle at a reasonable distance.  But projection of an image is not a true representation of the object in this case.  If you come up closer, you will reach the point where you recognize that it is a sphere.     :o

Absolutely agree, which is why I edited my post and added the whole "higher/closer" line.  When God gets closer to the Earth, it should then also look like a sphere though right?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model
« on: September 15, 2017, 06:15:14 AM »
to Phsychotropic:
Hi,
there are various You Tube Videos.    I believe watching videos of explorers and listening to their interviews from their own lips than a Official Government Documents that of course you are allowed to go there if you have authorization  (meaning you come from a university which will forbid any flat earth talk.)

Also, remember, the CIA and 14 million other government agencies, are keeping a lid of secrecy on it. They have power over the media.  Do you believe we landed on the moon when they can't get through the radiation belt?  Kaiser Aluminum should get a NOBEL Prize for using their aluminum foil on the inside walls of the space capsule.  ha  ha

For more info:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Antarctica-is-extremely-protected-by-the-military-and-that-it-is-not-possible-to-venture-far-inland-even-for-scientific-exploration

Thanks for the link, I will read through it in a moment.  As for the Van Allen belts, I do recall reading some time ago that the scientists performing that experiment stated that the damage and destruction that mission incurred was similar, maybe the same, as what space craft and statsions are designed to mitigate.  I can't find that link right this second.  That does make me wonder something though - do you then believe that there is no dome and that space is accessible to humans?  I have read many threads here and that doesn't seem to be the consensus, although I've also found that different FE "societies" somtimes have rather conflicting views.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model
« on: September 15, 2017, 05:57:32 AM »
to the squirrel-
You were right, those scriptures were referring to the earth not moving and being fixed.   NO 24 hour rotation.  NO annual spin around the sun.

Here are the correct "Circle" scriptures:   
Isaiah  40:22   He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,   (not the globe)
Genesis 1:9-13 DAY 3
Circle of the Earth

A globe looks like a circle when viewed from any angle, including from above.  To prove my hypothesis I just grabbed my basketball and held it at different angles and from different points of view.  The part of the ball closest to me was higher, well, closer to me, than the edges were, but it still looked like a circle.   If my testing is flawed I am happy to hear why.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earth is not a viable model
« on: September 15, 2017, 05:48:51 AM »
About Dither:
Dither gave the smartest comment here.    Jesus will bring the truth.   Why is there military personnel keeping explorers out of Antartica?    Why are they sending up satellites by balloons in Antartica.  Watch the video on you tube.

Can you point me to documentation of this military presence in Antarctica please?  Preferably not a YouTube video, something that can stand up to any sort of scrutiny outside of the FE vs. RE debate?

Thanks

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