[crutonius]

The problem for democrats is that democrats don't actually like Biden. They hate Trump, sure, but are they motivated to go and tick a box for a guy they don't like? Do they want to live with the fact they voted for the next Whitehouse disaster?


^ Democrats talking about how much they hate Biden. So if you poll saying are you a democrat or republican, that's going to give you a very different number to did you actually bother your arse to go out and vote for a guy you hate? The dems will struggle with apathy this time around. The republicans will have no such issue as they will be furious at the way the dems have behaved in opposition with impeachment, 25th amendment, threats of packing the supreme court, and will want sour-faced old cunts like Pelosi to feel some voter pain.

Trump's gonna steal this.
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/10/11/fakepoll-alert-proof-biden-is-not-winning-n2577814

I like the Young Turks but I feel I must point out that they're about as far left as it gets in America.  They speak for the majority of democrats about as much as Tea Party conservatives speak for republicans.

[AATW]

And being optimistic about the coronavirus (he didn't say in a week though) is not a lie at all.

[Tom Bishop]

And being optimistic about the coronavirus (he didn't say in a week though) is not a lie at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpr7_iRHa8

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

[AATW]

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

[stack]

And being optimistic about the coronavirus (he didn't say in a week though) is not a lie at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpr7_iRHa8

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

Looks like all 31. Because he's on tape saying he knew differently.

[Rama Set]

He also told a few whoppers right to Chris Wallace's face about the 'rona.

[Tumeni]

If the topic is "outright lies by Trump", then

"I'm a perfect physical specimen"

from an interview in the last week or so would seem to the whopper to top all whoppers.

[JSS]

If the topic is "outright lies by Trump", then

"I'm a perfect physical specimen"

from an interview in the last week or so would seem to the whopper to top all whoppers.

Well he comes from good stock, has great breeding and the best genes after all.

Worse than his lies, this NASI level eugenics stuff Trump and his followers believe in is horrifying.  We have all seen where that Master race stuff led us before.

[Tom Bishop]

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

Actually the scientific authorities were predicting over 2.5 million dead. Looks like it wasn't a lie.

[Rama Set]

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

Actually the scientific authorities were predicting over 2.5 million dead. Looks like it wasn't a lie.

Where is your source?  Considering the US has done the literal worst job of any developed nation, I am going to guess that your are cherry-picking or misinterpreting the prediction.

[Tom Bishop]

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

Actually the scientific authorities were predicting over 2.5 million dead. Looks like it wasn't a lie.

Where is your source?  Considering the US has done the literal worst job of any developed nation, I am going to guess that your are cherry-picking or misinterpreting the prediction.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-21-20-intl/h_6f8ce2cf0a4ff534fc8bbf48f4374250

"Early coronavirus models run by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed as many as 2.4 million Americans could be dead from the virus by October, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told the Journal of the American Medical Association Thursday."

Another one said 2.2 million:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/europe/coronavirus-imperial-college-johnson.html

"That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public."

[Rama Set]

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

Actually the scientific authorities were predicting over 2.5 million dead. Looks like it wasn't a lie.

Where is your source?  Considering the US has done the literal worst job of any developed nation, I am going to guess that your are cherry-picking or misinterpreting the prediction.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-21-20-intl/h_6f8ce2cf0a4ff534fc8bbf48f4374250

"Early coronavirus models run by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed as many as 2.4 million Americans could be dead from the virus by October, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told the Journal of the American Medical Association Thursday."

Another one predicted up to 2.2 million:

"That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public."

Right, so both cases seem to be talking about the results of doing nothing.  Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing, so comparing his response to doing nothing seems silly.  Lots of countries who had a response to the pandemic have done much, much better than the US has in terms of mitigating infections and deaths. 

I wouldn't want to call Trump a liar in this case though.  There were too many unknowns at the time he made this statement.  I also wouldn't say Trump was being responsible in his messaging either, but thats a policy issue.

[JSS]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/europe/coronavirus-imperial-college-johnson.html

"That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public."

Not the important part I bolded, uncontrolled spread.  You need to read and comprehend articles, not just pick out numbers.

That was a projection of what could happen if we did nothing.  No social distancing, no masks, no washing hands.

Well, we did some of that, even though Trump had to be dragged and screaming into wearing a mask months after he should have been setting an example.

And now 200,000 are dead because he wanted to live in his fantasy land where it would just magically disappear, like a miracle.

[Tom Bishop]

Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing

AATW says that Trump handled it wrongly and it was a disaster.

And which one of those opinions is a lie?

He literally says “we have it totally under control” in the first one. Back in January.

The 220,000 dead Americans would beg to differ

So Trump did things that saved the lives of millions of Americans, by this logic.

That was a projection of what could happen if we did nothing.

And Trump did things and saved millions of lives. Thanks for admitting that.

[Rama Set]

Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing

AATW says that Trump handled it wrongly and it was a disaster.

It continues to be a disaster.  The wealthiest, most advanced nation in the world has some of the worst case fatalities in the world.  This is a fact despite the lies he tried to tell Chris Wallace on Fox News.

It's also worth noting that there is a strong argument to make that lives were saved despite Trump.  If everybody listened to his idiotic prattling about the uselessness of masks and how everyone should just get on with their lives, then the situation would be markedly worse.

[stack]

Seems like a GOP leaning overall, led by Trump's "we've got this under control" attitude, has led to some interesting results:

[Tom Bishop]

Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing

AATW says that Trump handled it wrongly and it was a disaster.

It continues to be a disaster.  The wealthiest, most advanced nation in the world has some of the worst case fatalities in the world.  This is a fact despite the lies he tried to tell Chris Wallace on Fox News.

It's also worth noting that there is a strong argument to make that lives were saved despite Trump.  If everybody listened to his idiotic prattling about the uselessness of masks and how everyone should just get on with their lives, then the situation would be markedly worse.

I don't see how 2M saved and 200K dead is a disaster. This is a triumphant victory for Trump that so many lives were saved.

[JSS]

Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing

AATW says that Trump handled it wrongly and it was a disaster.

It continues to be a disaster.  The wealthiest, most advanced nation in the world has some of the worst case fatalities in the world.  This is a fact despite the lies he tried to tell Chris Wallace on Fox News.

It's also worth noting that there is a strong argument to make that lives were saved despite Trump.  If everybody listened to his idiotic prattling about the uselessness of masks and how everyone should just get on with their lives, then the situation would be markedly worse.

I don't see  how 2M saved and 200K dead is a disaster. This is a triumphant victory for Trump that so many lives were saved.

Trump made things WORSE by refusing to wear masks, by telling people it was a hoax, by encouraging people to ignore the health professionals.

You can't say he 'saved' two million lives just because he ONLY managed to cause an extra hundred thousand deaths.

If he had done nothing at all we would be better off, instead he actively hurt the efforts of the rest of us.

There is a reason that graph above is so red. Trump followers who ignorantly refused to abide by the guidelines spread the disease more than those of us who ignored his desperate please for it to all go away.

[Tom Bishop]

Where did Trump tell people to ignore medical professionals and refuse to wear masks or tell people not to wear masks? Please provide a source for that. I see that you are fibbing again.

The graph could be red because people in California and NY gathered and got it earlier. These statistics are not science, as stated by Rama Set.

[Rama Set]

Now, no one has ever said Trump did nothing

AATW says that Trump handled it wrongly and it was a disaster.

It continues to be a disaster.  The wealthiest, most advanced nation in the world has some of the worst case fatalities in the world.  This is a fact despite the lies he tried to tell Chris Wallace on Fox News.

It's also worth noting that there is a strong argument to make that lives were saved despite Trump.  If everybody listened to his idiotic prattling about the uselessness of masks and how everyone should just get on with their lives, then the situation would be markedly worse.

I don't see how 2M saved and 200K dead is a disaster. This is a triumphant victory for Trump that so many lives were saved.

I’m sorry you can’t see that the USA underperformed compared to almost every other country despite having vastly superior resources at their disposal.

Your country is a sad, pathetic meme when it comes to its COVID response and Trump is leading the charge.