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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 17, 2020, 10:36:23 PM »

Now tell us how it is possible that some people have seen the crescent moon at midnight: https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2019/02/13/impossible-heliocentric-moon-phases-explained/

First;

Specify time, date, place of observation, and some evidence that it was actually seen at that time, date and place.

The author of that page above seems to have taken no account of observer location, nor axial tilt.

If he wants to disprove the globe model, he needs to account for all of it, not just cherry-pick the bits that suit him ....

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 17, 2020, 10:33:42 PM »

Think of it this way: First, you have a closed container, sitting in vacuum and containing a gas with some nonzero pressure P inside. The force on the walls is the same in all directions, no matter the shape of the container, but for simplicity you can picture it as a cube with side length s. Each wall will have a force Ps2 pushing on it.

Now remove one wall. There will no longer be any force acting on it (your "free expansion" principle), but until the gas is fully evacuated there will be a force on the opposite wall. So your container has a net force in the opposite direction from the gas expulsion lasting for some time. Momentum is conserved; rockets work."

I concur. I use a similar example over at YouTube;

Imagine the container, floating free in space; sealed, filled with rocket fuel and a means to ignite it remotely
Ignite the fuel
One of two things happens; the box is strong enough to contain the reaction, and holds, or - the expansion exceeds the strength of the box, which then ruptures at its weakest point
Debris is cast outward in the second scenario, showing the pressure exerted by the expansion on the inside surfaces, and showing all surfaces acted upon

Imagine the same fuel ignition with one side missing, and the result is as described above

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 17, 2020, 10:25:02 PM »

...  yet he’s done so much for the country.

He really hasn't done much positive.

Exactly.

Rolling back environment protection such that businesses can legally dump more waste into rivers than before.

Yeah, that's really doing something for the country....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 17, 2020, 10:08:52 PM »

How can you see the moon at night when the moon is on the same side as the Sun

Like this. View from above. Green lines between Earth (larger circle below) are sightlines from observers in day and night who can see the Moon (smaller circle above).





Shall I draw something similar on your graphics above?  Green sightlines from night side of Earth to possible positions of Moon on day side....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: February 17, 2020, 06:29:54 PM »

This article 'MAY' have actually been written at some point in history, but it was likely 'NOT' written by Tesla

Says who? You? Why is it "likely"?

AND there is absolutely NO record of it anywhere online.

So what? Honestly, trying to claim that something is not online, based on simply the results from search engines, is a lost cause...

My conclusion, based on 'STRONG' evidence to the contrary, is that it was written at a much later date, likely after his demise, and attributed to him for the purpose of supporting theories that he would 'NEVER' have affiliated himself with.

WHAT evidence?

Here is an 'ACTUAL' quote from Tesla, completely contradicting every part of that article...

Oh, so it's "My quote is BETTER than yours", even though you provide no source or context to it....

I have to say: The credibility of those posting in this thread is very much in question.

Why? Because you claim that you have better quotes than everyone else?

If you can't use factual information to debate the Flat Earth, you may as well bow out gracefully.

... but you haven't proven your quote to be the factual one.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 17, 2020, 05:54:39 PM »

Just ask scientists.

Name one that agrees with you, or cite a reliable scholarly source authored by one.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 17, 2020, 05:43:56 PM »

the reality is you cannot see a GPS satellite in orbit.

Yes, you can. Here's two examples of astrophotographers capturing a selection of geostationary satellites. All that would need to be done is point the camera at the correct area of sky for a particular GPS satellite to get a similar result.

Further, all that is available on Google when a search is performed ("images of a GPS satellite in orbit") are artist renderings.

So what? It's nobody's fault but your own that you did a simple google search, then gave up.

I have no idea what your video is about or if it is even meant to address about the validity of my response to TomInAustin.

You asked for photos of GPS satellites without specifying the context in your request (yes, it was in the quote), so I showed you some photos. Yes, they are of satellites under construction, but again - why would anyone construct one if there was no possibility of launching and operating it?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« on: February 17, 2020, 12:47:35 PM »

But you can see GPS satellites with your own eyes and no balloon can cross the night sky that fast.  Right?

I scoured the internet for images of a GPS satellite and I found no photographs of a GPS satellite.

There is no possible way you can see a GPS satellite at a reported height of 22,000 miles above the earth.

1. Why would you expect to find one? In order to get a photo of one in orbit, one would need to fly a camera-carrying craft within camera range. I don't know if you realise it, but the safe way to operate spacecraft is to keep them away from each other, not fly them close.

Also, when you do cost/benefit on the exercise of photographing a GPS satellite, what IS the benefit?

2. You can see the reflected light from it, far beyond the range at which you can discern the object itself. The principles behind the Heliograph, wherein reflected light from a mirror can be seen far further than the mirror itself, is well known

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliograph

Here's a picture of a 2018 GPS 3 sat, at 30s and beyond

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 17, 2020, 11:33:41 AM »

I never said that the rocket would "blow away the entirety of the atmoplane of the earth." Where did that come from?

You asked for more clarity concerning how air under 14.7 psi provides resistance to the thrust of a rocket engine.

I suggest you search the internet for that clarity.

So, after all this searching enquiry, back and forth, and your dogged insistence that you're the one in the right, you're down to telling others to "go do their own research"?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bernie 2020

« on: February 17, 2020, 11:31:52 AM »

Currently, Medicare provides Part A and Part B. ....

What do you actually WANT, though?

As a non-American, I know that my taxes have, in part, covered things such that I can get taken care of in cases of medical emergency without suffering financial ruin. Americans don't seem to have the same safety net.

Do you want the safety net? Are you American?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: February 17, 2020, 09:24:35 AM »

Which of these images most closely depicts the world that you inhabit?

Yes, we can all see that you think it's good fun to post comedic mockery in the guise of substantive analysis, but we all see right through the fact that you're glossing over the actual questions put to you, in favour of diversion to your comedic rants, and changes of subject. 

When you're ready to actually engage with other posters here, and treat the subject with some gravity ....

(see what I did there?)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: February 17, 2020, 09:20:52 AM »

Never in ALL my life have I seen anything like that in the real world.

I've never seen a shark, a whale, a kangaroo. But they still exist. Your disbelief is no proof of anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 17, 2020, 09:17:10 AM »

What are you talking about.

... could well ask you the same question, since you're mixing your FE and RE theory below, and can't seem to make up your mind which one you want to cite.

For 14 days the moon will be on the same side as the Sun. 

Yes, that would be, in RE, the hemisphere that faces the Sun. Which changes (for those on the surface) with every Earth day and night as the Earth rotates, so you move through that hemisphere.

Day will alway be on the same side as the sun and nights will always be on the opposite side of the sun.  FE rotates every 24 hours so everyone on a RE has a night and day and every night is on the same side.  Which is the opposite that the sun is on.

Yes. And those days and nights, for those on the surface, move under the Moon on RE, which only moves (24/360 = ) 7 degrees of its orbit for each Earth night and day, with the observers moving 360 degrees in the same time.

Take a quarter and run it from one side of the sky to the other and see how many stars you pass over. Thats how many stars the moon should pass over on the 14 nights the moon is on the opposite side of the sun. The other 14 days it’s on the same side as the Sun, shouldn’t even be seen at night.  But yet it is.

What does that tell you, since you think it "shouldn't be seen"? All the observational evidence of every human, ever, contradicts what you think should happen, but tallies exactly with the textbooks (which were written by a group of the millions of astronomers who have studied it as their life's work), the experience of everyone who has studied the Moon, travelled to it, or sent craft to it. It only took me half a minute to find the two videos above which show exactly the event that you claim is not happening ...

Is Astronomy your life's work? How long do you spend looking at the Moon, in comparision to professional astronomers?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 16, 2020, 08:22:14 PM »

Otherwise, no more air at all and all the spectators die.

If China launches a ship, does it make waves on the coast of California?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 16, 2020, 08:06:41 PM »

The second article has a lot of stars surrounding the moon but says the moon will only pass in front of one but doesn’t show any evidence b of that. Just a picture with the star next to it.

Took me 30 seconds





https://www.astronomylabs.com/blog/-the-october-18-2016-lunar-occultation-of-the-star-aldebaran

More?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Stars

« on: February 16, 2020, 08:01:46 PM »

It takes the moon 28 days to make a round trip around a RE. 14 days on the side of the sun and 14 days on the night side. That means you shouldn’t be able to see the moon for 14 nights.

...except that (in the globe model, according to the textbooks and other sources) the Earth rotates once every 24 hours or so within those 28 days. So there's no fixed "night side" to the Earth. There's roughly 28 days and nights to each lunar cycle

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 16, 2020, 06:19:11 PM »

... height of hypocrisy that Trump fans sneer so vigorously at Bernie and Biden for declining in their old age while refusing to acknowledge Trump's obvious mental and physical deterioration over the last few years.

Someone on YouTube kindly assembled a compilation to illustrate your point;

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"Trump has a neurological illness.

He displays all the symptoms of Nonfluent/Agrammatic Primary Progressive Aphasia variant of frontotemperal degeneration (or a related disorder), possibly also showing signs of the behavioral variant of frontotemperal degeneration (the outbursts, the uninhibited rants). He needs a full workup to determine an exact diagnosis. But at times, he clearly displays agramattism (deterioration of grammar, using mostly content words, slowed speech),  phonemic paraphasia (screwing up phonemes in words), myoclonus (muscle jerks), and trouble walking. Here's a giant list of Trump's neurological symptoms:

Can't walk in a straight line, foot dropping

Another can't walk in a straight line, weird gate, foot dropping

Weird gait, can't walk a straight line

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149849263268147201

Right hand spasm while going in for handshake https://www.bitchute.com/video/F6Tt8nKUebQN/

Forgets to sign executive order

He gets mentally lost and "conducts band" during nation anthem https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article239913588.html

Brain takes dump midsentence, changes to completely generic words to cover for it

Unable to say "origins" multiple times with visible confusion on his face

Slurring his way through word salad "open your hearts to possible and possibility" "god blesh the united shates"

Trump wanders off from Netanyahu with lost look on his face, possible facial muscle spasms


EDIT
There's much more, edited it out because it seemed browser would take ages to load all the vids.

Here's the full thing with the links sanitised - remove the hyphen in ht-tps and paste into browser URL bar to watch any in particular.

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EDIT - couldn't find a way of sanitising all the links that would fool the forum software; it kept hyper-linking to the videos as above. PM me if you want a txt file
========================================================================

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I think you're wrong. Discuss if you dare

« on: February 16, 2020, 06:11:45 PM »

Did you know that Nikola Tesla believed in the Flat Earth?

If he did, why was he talking about, at some point in his future, "rocket ships orbiting the globe in 5 hours or so"

http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/mechanic/Tesla_Juli_1934_6MB.pdf

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 16, 2020, 06:04:06 PM »

Of course it's going to evacuate the air immediately behind it, just like any process of drafting.

But you are here claiming the atmolayer provides no resistance. The quotes are in place.

How can it provide resistance if it is being blown away, or "evacuated"?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 16, 2020, 04:30:06 PM »

Also trying to claim that 3 million psi rocket engine would simply blow away the entirety of the atmoplane of the earth.

Nobody claimed that, now you're just acting the silly goat.

The air around the engine is clearly at the mercy of the rocket exhaust and provides no resistance to it, but this clearly wears off as distance from the engine increases.

3 million psi over the area of the engine(s) ... shall we do the maths and see if that works out greater than 14 psi?