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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Rama Does Acting
« on: January 26, 2022, 04:06:13 PM »
Well you've ruled out comedy. I guess you are quickly eliminating your weaknesses so this is great progress.

There is a good chance you didn't understand what you were watching, so you will understand that I don't take you seriously.
There is an equally good chance that your last video was 💩

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Rama Does Acting
« on: January 26, 2022, 03:38:50 PM »
Well you've ruled out comedy. I guess you are quickly eliminating your weaknesses so this is great progress.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 25, 2022, 12:29:28 AM »
There is a massive difference between Australians 16+ and all Australians, isn’t there?  You will feel soooooo much better if you just admit you are wrong. You will also learn more which makes you less likely to come off as an ignoramus in the future.
You haven't offered anything. How did they get 93%? you are saying I'm wrong, but not saying why. Stop be so intellectually dishonest and offer something.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 25, 2022, 12:03:10 AM »
Thork this just be so embarrassing.
Then stop embarrassing yourself. And stop speaking like a Jamaican.

First off you showed how Reuters got the number 94.4%, which isn’t what Shifter claimed.
Fun fact, the number changes because they continue to vaccinate people. You knew that right? You aren't that stupid.

Second, Ahifter did not claim all of Australia had a rate of 93% vaccinated, did he?  Don’t read more, go see what he actually wrote, I’ll wait….

~93% of Australians 16+ have had 2 doses
::)

Back? Feel dumb?  You should.
I feel like we are at the point where you have fuck all to say as usual and so you are resorting to pedantry. That's how I feel.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 24, 2022, 11:41:31 PM »
Also, using proper records we can tell how many within 'x' age group are vaccinated. Or how many people with disabilities are vaccinated. Or aboriginal people etc

No one uses the total doses administered and then 'divides by 2' lol.

Well. One person does.
??? You need to learn how to read. I posted showing that was the way the 93% was arrived at. I was complaining that it's a dumb way to do it. Don't make out that's the way I endorse.

So you're complaining about how Reuters came up with their percent?
I was complaining about Shifter's claim that 93% of Australians were vaccinated. That isn't true and I showed how they get that number. Once you see how they get it, you know it's a false claim.

He didn’t cite Reuters so what in the actual fuck are you talking about? You debunked something he didn’t claim. Classic Thork.
He claimed 93% vaccination rate in Australia. That is false. I showed how they got that number. Once you see how they calculate it, you know its wrong. So the 93% is debunked. Job done. Keep up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 24, 2022, 10:38:20 PM »
Also, using proper records we can tell how many within 'x' age group are vaccinated. Or how many people with disabilities are vaccinated. Or aboriginal people etc

No one uses the total doses administered and then 'divides by 2' lol.

Well. One person does.
??? You need to learn how to read. I posted showing that was the way the 93% was arrived at. I was complaining that it's a dumb way to do it. Don't make out that's the way I endorse.

So you're complaining about how Reuters came up with their percent?
I was complaining about Shifter's claim that 93% of Australians were vaccinated. That isn't true and I showed how they get that number. Once you see how they get it, you know it's a false claim.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 24, 2022, 10:04:52 PM »
Also, using proper records we can tell how many within 'x' age group are vaccinated. Or how many people with disabilities are vaccinated. Or aboriginal people etc

No one uses the total doses administered and then 'divides by 2' lol.

Well. One person does.
??? You need to learn how to read. I posted showing that was the way the 93% was arrived at. I was complaining that it's a dumb way to do it. Don't make out that's the way I endorse.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 24, 2022, 11:17:19 AM »
~93% of Australians 16+ have had 2 doses
That data is so bent.

Here is how they get that number.
Quote from: https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/australia/
Australia has administered at least 47,889,638 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 94.4% of the country’s population.
94.4%. Its gone up since your source. Nice.

Lets check somewhere else ... say my home country.

Quote from: https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/united-kingdom/
United Kingdom has administered at least 137,140,907 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 102.6% of the country’s population.
102.6%? It is at this point you know your ~93% means absolutely nothing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 24, 2022, 10:50:04 AM »
I wonder if Thork’s gay acquaintances, if they exist, which I’m pretty sure they don’t,
My brother is gay.

Who turned your brother gay?
I'm going to guess that my father dying and my going to uni left him with just his sister and mother as role models and it turned him a bit fruity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 06:14:51 PM »
I don't think any teachers should talk to children about gay relationships.
That wasn't the topic of conversation you're responding to, but I assume you know that and just don't want to answer my question, so I'll chalk this up as another running-away thread.
If you've moved the goalposts so far from the OP that I've now no idea what you are talking about, that's you running away, not me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 06:06:41 PM »
Wait a second. Do you mean to tell me that you believe a 40-year-old man explaining homosexuality to children is placing them at higher risk than a 40-year-old man explaining heterosexuality to children?
Yes. Heterosexual men are less likely to commit sex crimes per capita.
I'm sorry, what? How is the sexual orientation of the teacher remotely relevant? Do you think it's impossible for a straight teacher to talk about gay sex, or vice versa?

Truly wonderful, the mind of a Thork is.
I don't think any teachers should talk to children about gay relationships.

I really don't think peadophiles should talk to children about gay sex.
Next, I don't think gay men should.
Next, regular men shouldn't.
Finally women shouldn't.
Leave it to parents.

That is in the order of risk to children.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:57:13 PM »

He assumes every child is loved by their parents and have a good understanding of sexuality. 
The vast majority of children are loved by their parents. It's a thing nature does to stop you abandoning them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
And yet child abuse is a thing...
As for a good understanding of sexuality:  maybe because they had sex ed?  Like, are pimples good or bad?  When can I get a girl pregnant?  Can you get pregnant from oral sex?
But as my little pie chart shows ... abuse from teachers is way more common. They are the number one perpetrators.

Rabbits are not humans and don't have complex societies.  They also have mating seasons, while humans do not.  They also are mature ,sexually, after 6 months of living.  And their behavior is hormone driven.  Imagine if people were purely hornome driven.  It would be like teenagers but without any filters.
Imagine thinking that humans are different to all other creatures ... but only after the 1960s at which point sex education needed to be delivered.

So said parent goes 'Ask your teacher'.
Then kids end up using google and get nothing but porn sites.  Because that'll be healthy....
I live in a country where VPNs cost subscription money, ISPs block porn sites, browsers block porn sites, mobile phones block porn sites and search engines block porn sites. Children don't watch as much porn as your favourite tabloid newspaper might suggest.
I do not live in a country like that. USA isn't like that. But my point wasn't that they'd go looking for porn, my point was that porn would be what they found most when searching for answers. 
Then lobby your government for some parental controls on the internet instead of lobbying them to mandate that teachers talk to your kids about gay sex.  ::)

And unless kids today have become far more wholesome.... Porn was big when I was a teenager.  Clearly your teen days were more... Tame.
Porn in my teens was finding a soggy torn up magazine in the woods and trying to put the pieces back together to reveal a fat middle aged woman smothered in cream.

I was a teenager from 1991-1997. No one was on the internet back then. I shudder to think how long it would take to download a 240p 5 min video on AOL dial up.


So ban teachers, got it.
Almost, but you are getting there. Just ban teachers from teaching children about homosexuality. They can still teach them English, Maths and Science. You know, subjects that might help them get a job one day. The actual reason we send children to school in the first place. We don't send them to talk to middle aged men about being gay.

You already posted that image. Do you want me to point out that you have provided no source or methodology for a second time?
It has a url. You can follow that to the source.

Wait a second. Do you mean to tell me that you believe a 40-year-old man explaining homosexuality to children is placing them at higher risk than a 40-year-old man explaining heterosexuality to children?
Yes. Heterosexual men are less likely to commit sex crimes per capita.

Quote from: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.
Being as you like scientific data ... pick the bones out of that.

Homosexuals do not abuse children at a higher rate than heterosexuals. In fact, rates of pawdophikoa are higher among heterosexuals than homosexuals.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
Your own linked study shows it does.

This is you, once again, beginning with a fantasy and forming real world opinions based on that. Be better.
You misread a scientific study to back your opinions.

You could treat him like he isn’t subhuman. I doubt you’re capable though.
I treat him like the wretched little shit stabber that he is. And that seems fair.

Apology will be accepted once you demonstrate you’re not a shitty person.
I'm not trying to encourage homosexuals to talk to children about sex. You're the one under the spotlight for being a shitty person right now.

I actually never said that.  See? You start from a fantasy and proceed as if it has some bearing on the real world. Stop forming opinions on your fantasies.
You want teachers talking to children about same sex couples. Some teachers will be homosexual. Ergo you are encouraging homosexuals to talk to children about sex.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:18:37 PM »
But why then would you want to have a 40 year old man talk to your child about homosexuality?
Because education is about teaching children about the world that exists, not the world Thork would like to exist.

This is the world that exists.


Until it doesn't ... let's not place children in high risk scenarios unnecessarily.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:12:30 PM »
Imagine how ignorant you just be to think that the “nuclear family” is the natural order of things.
Imagine thinking that placing a small boy in the care of two homosexual men is a low risk endeavour. Sometimes when a couple of gay men come crying to you about love and families, you need to have the balls to stand up to them and tell them to fuck off. If you are weak, then you may condemn a child to sexual or emotional abuse. You are weak. This is why you'll do anything to be agreeable.

The plot thickens.
Blew your assumptions out of the water, I have no doubt.

Irrelevant. Sad that you you are comfortable with this, but irrelevant.
What can I do about it? He's a man in his mid 30s. He can do whatever the hell he wants. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apology will be accepted once you demonstrate you’re not a shitty person.
I'm not trying to encourage homosexuals to talk to children about sex. You're the one under the spotlight for being a shitty person right now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 04:57:32 PM »
I wonder if Thork’s gay acquaintances, if they exist, which I’m pretty sure they don’t,
My brother is gay.

know that he sees them as less than human?
He himself will admit that he is a colossal pervert.

It’s truly astounding that he can project his personal discomfort on to the world as some kind of broad truth.
I'm able to come to conclusions. I'm sorry that they don't match yours. Its only, I'm not trying to make myself feel like a good person by making myself a doormat whilst others steamroller me with their 'feelings'.

A natural family just happens. To make a gay family, you have to muck about with the natural order of things.
Sounds great! Then there's no need to restrict conversations about gay families to over-18s, because a "natural family" will just happen anyway.
Assuming you aren't placing children with same sex couples and interfering ... yes. But why then would you want to have a 40 year old man talk to your child about homosexuality? Seems somewhat sinister, no?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 03:14:00 PM »
Then you must have come to the same conclusion and agree with me.
No.
Then you need to learn to interpret data.

I'm saying I don't know where to find such data when I live in a post-truth age full of fake news and government narratives.
So you admit that your opinions aren't based on data? That's a bit better than providing irrelevant data, I suppose.
I like Taylor Swift and Jaffa Cakes. Those opinions also aren't based on data. Do I need data to form all my opinions?

Orphans have guardians. So do children whose parents are in prison.
Yet you just said that them having guardians should be made illegal.
Only the same sex guardians.

What if there are more orphans than heterosexual couples or single parents willing to adopt?
There aren't. We haven't just had a major war or genocide.

Do you think it's better for a child to have no upbringing at all than a "normal" one? Is it better for a child to be adopted by an abusive heterosexual couple than a loving homosexual one?
Why would you want to place a child with either, you sicko?

You can't have it both ways. If "the selfish gays" can't force their idea of family life on kids, neither can you.
A natural family just happens. To make a gay family, you have to muck about with the natural order of things.

I've just taught them that homosexuality is not a discussion to be had in public or in polite conversation.
Yes, exactly. But earlier you said this:
They shouldn't be taught anything.
Are you now retracting this statement?
I went from you shouldn't teach about homosexuality to children to you shouldn't teach about homosexuality to children. Seems pretty consistent to me. Please try harder to read properly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 02:34:34 PM »
I didn't say your data were wrong
Then you must have come to the same conclusion and agree with me.

In other words, you won't provide data to support your case. Noted.
I'm saying I don't know where to find such data when I live in a post-truth age full of fake news and government narratives.

Why should it be anyone's job? Children have parents and guardians. People who love them. Those are the people who should provide guidance.
So you're okay with children receiving a poor education, but only orphans, children whose parents are in prison, or children of busy working parents who rarely see their kids?
Orphans have guardians. So do children whose parents are in prison. And yet it is you who accuses me of having poor reading comprehension.

What about children with same-sex parents?
There is no such thing. And placing children in such situations should be utterly illegal. If you chose to be gay, it means you chose not to have a family. You shouldn't be able to acquire one at the expense of a child having a normal upbringing.

Are you okay with them being encouraged to be gay, as you put it?
Absolutely not. Homosexuality should be an 18+ topic in public, just as porn is. Both are destructive to young people's perceptions of how family life should be.

No, that is not a "job done" according to you. You have just communicated for everyone in the class that the topic is inappropriate in public. That's not teaching them nothing.
I've just taught them that homosexuality is not a discussion to be had in public or in polite conversation. Go learn some manners from your family about what is and isn't appropriate. Maybe they can steer you back from your mixed ideas if it isn't too late.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 01:14:29 PM »
Thork's reply explains alot.
I do make excellent points. Thank you.

He assumes every child is loved by their parents and have a good understanding of sexuality. 
The vast majority of children are loved by their parents. It's a thing nature does to stop you abandoning them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

Now I'm picturing a world a generation or two down where 'Ask your parents' goes into a loop because the parents don't know shit because they weren't taught anything because their parents didn't know anything.
your parents managed to form a relationship, have sex and then produce you. The idea that they 'don't know shit' is ridiculous. A rabbit is able to set up a family. Do rabbits do sex ed? Name a single other creature that needs sex education please.

So said parent goes 'Ask your teacher'.
Then kids end up using google and get nothing but porn sites.  Because that'll be healthy....
I live in a country where VPNs cost subscription money, ISPs block porn sites, browsers block porn sites, mobile phones block porn sites and search engines block porn sites. Children don't watch as much porn as your favourite tabloid newspaper might suggest.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:58:03 PM »
Ignoring for a moment the fact that you have provided no source or methodology for these data, by itself this is a useless statistic.
It is at least some data. I almost always provide a source or some reference. You don't. How about you come back with some data showing my data to be wrong?

Would the overall rate of grooming increase or decrease if sex education in schools were abolished? That is the statistic you want.
I don't believe that data like that wouldn't be suppressed or manipulated by government. It is too political for them not to shape the narrative with bent data.

And you think it should be given to them by the people most likely to sexually abuse them? How about 'no'?
I think it should be given to them by the people whose job it is to give it to them.
Why should it be anyone's job? Children have parents and guardians. People who love them. Those are the people who should provide guidance.

Imagine for a moment that you are a sex education teacher. You are teaching the syllabus of your dreams — heteronormative traditions to make the Bishop of Rome blush. A young lad timidly raises his hand and tells you he feels attracted to other boys, and asks you what to do about it.

In your fantasy world, where children are taught nothing about same-sex relations, how would you as the teacher respond?
This absolutely wouldn't happen. Kids don't come out in the middle of class in front of all their friends. Should such a ridiculous and rare situation occur, you reply "You should tell your parents how you feel". Job done.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:39:01 PM »
And you think the way to prevent children from being groomed is not to teach them about the realities of the world, so that when they encounter someone who wants to take advantage of them they have no idea what's going on?
Most children who are groomed, are groomed by someone in a position of power over them. Teacher is the biggest slice of the pie. Let's not make it bigger. They are the people you need to watch.


Now, it stands to reason that children must be given some form of sex education.
And you think it should be given to them by the people most likely to sexually abuse them? How about 'no'?

If you want to avoid teen pregnancies and the spread of STIs, you need to teach children how to have safe sex. They are going to have sex either way, so a responsible education system will help them to do it safely. And if you are giving children sex education, then you are implicitly teaching them what is okay and (whether through omission or condemnation) what is not. It is not possible to deliver sex education without addressing this issue.
What has any of that to do with teaching children about 'diverse relationships'?

So, unless you are saying you want to see 14-year-old pregnancies popping up all over the country, it's not an argument about whether to teach children or not to teach children. They just aren't being taught in the way you would like.
Correct. They should not be given the gay propaganda by teachers. I don't know why this is so unreasonable.

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