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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: July 31, 2018, 09:48:07 PM »

I hope I'm not out of line here, because I skimmed over the last half of this thread... But I really wanted to say that I, too, have seen satellites with my naked eye. They appear as a star that is steadily moving across the night sky. It is easily distinguished from an airplane because airplanes look like flying cars in the night sky with their headlights. Can someone provide an alternative explanation to what the "moving star" is? (Again, sorry if I missed a previous post explaining this). I have also witnessed a space shuttle launch off of cape Canaveral when I was a kid. I can't say the exact moment it reached space because it was too far away from my perspective by the time it reached that altitude.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On disrespectful posting

« on: July 31, 2018, 12:18:18 PM »

I look forward to endlessly reposting that Martrix post whenever I see you in AR.

LMAO!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On disrespectful posting

« on: July 31, 2018, 12:51:31 AM »

Wait what? The system works?

Let's not get carried away

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On disrespectful posting

« on: July 30, 2018, 10:51:36 PM »

But why, why, why does Tom get to pepper the thread with his "asides" (plural, not just one aside) with no similar warning?

It's all about the balance of content. Tom's post is mostly on topic and includes a couple of sentences you're objecting to (which were clearly intended as supporting arguments to his main point). Your posts consist entirely of side points, and do not advance the discussion at hand in any meaningful way.

The recommendation is always to avoid posting content that does not contribute to the subject, but we can't police someone for throwing in a short digression, so long as the discussion remains on track.

Also, as a point of order: you didn't receive a warning. I just asked you both to get back on topic.

Hi Pete,

You sound like a decent guy when you're not posting in AR. I'm a noob, so I don't fully understand the social organization of this forum, but I feel that I owe you a thank you for pointing me (albeit insidiously, and sometimes blatently) in the right direction! I enjoy posting in AR because I feel it is a safe place to vent. Being an IT guy (yes, you were right about me), I have a lot to vent and often do so while at work! I will do my best to stay on topic and be respectful in the non AR forums. I truly do want stimulating conversation about controversial topics - whether I agree or not.

Cheers!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 28, 2018, 06:44:48 PM »

I may never be convinced of it's truth, but I do want to comprehend the internal logic of it.

Agreed. I may be a stubborn orthodox fool, but I am at least trying to expand my horizon. No point in resisting any possible truth. If nothing else, it is a stimulating conversation.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 28, 2018, 03:18:27 PM »

It always disappears (somehow) bottom-up no matter where you are on your respective hemiplane. It behaves unlike any spotlight -- projection or otherwise -- that you could scale in a model, due in some way to the relationship of space(time) and the aether that I can't decipher.

Could it be that the sun is a sphere and the earth is also a sphere that orbits the sun? If this were true, it would account for the disappearing effect, the misbehaving spotlight, and the space/time relationship. Just saying...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 26, 2018, 05:56:00 PM »

If the earth is flat the Sun should always shine on us. It would light the whole Earth equally.

You are applying a round earth concept to a flat earth theory. Can't do that. In FET, the sun acts as a spotlight, directing light to a limited, circular, area. FET assumes the sun is also NOT a sphere.

I have recently experienced a phenomenon that, to me, is proof the earth is ROUND. I would have a hard time convincing anyone of this phenomenon though.... here it is:

I returned from a vacation to Colorado a few days ago.... as I was driving cross-country through the VERY flat state of Nebraska, I observed the lovely, endless, corn fields that stretch for miles and miles in all directions. It just so happens that this time of year the corn is right about eye level when driving on the interstate in my van. As I looked across one field, I could see the flat surface of the tops of the corn as though it was an ocean of corn. If you understand calculus and statistics, you can understand that the average height of all the corn in that very flat field was the same for each corn plant - there is not any significant deviation from the average height. This allows you to observe the corn field as a flat surface, or an ocean. In looking across a corn field (at nearly eye-level), I could see the tops of the corn for about 1 mile or so until strangely enough, the tops of the corn disappeared. In other words, there appeared to be a 'hill' and the tops of the distant corn faded below the nearer corn. That seems consistent with the mathematical conclusion that if the earth is round, it should dip about 8 inches per mile. The distance that I observed this effect was too short to attribute to the perceptual effect. The difficulty in proving this, is that someone can easily say, "How do you know there isn't actually a hill in the corn field?" Well, I can't without surveying the entire area. However, being from Nebraska, I know that these flat spreads of land are REALLY flat, and have no hills. I observed this in multiple corn fields during my 6 hour drive through Nebraska. That is my 2 cents.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 13, 2018, 04:37:35 PM »

Indeed, I am referencing the perspective hypothesis, and adding in some common sense about flat planes.

To answer JRowe's question...

What is it you expect to see? Paint me a picture. We have a black sky, and an object not emitting or reflecting any light set against it.
I can't see to the end of my garden at night, with or without a telescope, and you expect to see something thousands of kilometers away?

If there was a street light at the end of your garden, you would be able to see it. If your garden is 10 miles away, you should be able to see that same street light with a telescope even though everything else around you is dark. We can see galaxies thousands of light years away with telescopes, so theoretically, we should be able to see the sun which according to FET is only about 3,000 miles vertical and would be several thousands miles away horizontally at night.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 13, 2018, 03:34:06 PM »

If you are looking at a spotlight, such as on a stage at a concert, you can still see the spotlight even though you are in the dark. It only stands to reason that you should be able to see the sun in a similar manner.

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Flat Earth Theory / Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 13, 2018, 03:10:57 PM »

If the earth is flat, you should be able to see the sun through a telescope in the middle of the night (assuming you are high enough that your view is not obstructed by obstacles) - perhaps from an airplane or tall mountain. Why is it that you cannot?