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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2022, 03:28:55 PM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.
What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.
Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.
Oh, kinda shoots the foot of the story of the DOJ investigating Trump in any involvement.

Why?
Are you saying that one can't be involved in a crime unless one is there, physically doing the crime?
No, I am writing that proposing or submitting any slate of electors is perfectly legal.

There is no crime of fake electors.

It is all fake news.

Who submits them?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2022, 07:58:08 AM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.
What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.
Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.
Oh, kinda shoots the foot of the story of the DOJ investigating Trump in any involvement.

Why?
Are you saying that one can't be involved in a crime unless one is there, physically doing the crime?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 28, 2022, 09:25:09 PM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.
What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.
Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 28, 2022, 12:33:10 PM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.
What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 27, 2022, 09:38:35 PM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 27, 2022, 06:33:31 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
Why do you think I am claiming that?

I can go to the Capitol and claim I am an elector.

Anyone can appoint electors.

It doesn't mean they will be recognized.

Just because they are not recognized, doesn't mean they are fake.

So, it is another nothing burger story designed to fill idle space.

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 27, 2022, 11:31:48 AM »
Why are you arguing with Tom?  He knows damn well there were locked doors and one person got shot climbing through one after the window was broken.  So he also knows they were useless.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 25, 2022, 11:24:36 AM »
Anyone remember when The Buck Stops Here, was a thing?

Yes, and Trump fulfilled his responsibility. Trump had thought ahead and gave full permission to use the Guard prior to the event at the time officials and experts monitoring the event deemed appropriate and necessary. The Defense Secretary maintains that he used the Guard at the appropriate time.
Maybe so.
But thats not the focus of the investigation, is it?
The focus is: Did Trump want people to do what they did and give him the election win by force?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 25, 2022, 11:11:08 AM »
Anyone remember when The Buck Stops Here, was a thing?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 24, 2022, 06:59:44 PM »
You are quoting things that Miller said in that passage, not Trump. Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard and Soldiers at the protest.
I am.  You're point being?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 24, 2022, 06:05:31 PM »
This passage from the Inspector General's DOD Review contradicts the fundamental accusations of the January 6 investigation and Trump's role in the purported 'insurrection'. In the review it indicates that Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard or Soldiers at the protest to make sure it was a safe event:

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-07/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.pdf

From p.31 -




From the page before.

Quote
Mr. Miller told us, “There was absolutely no way ... I was putting U.S. military forces at the
Capitol, period.” He cited media stories alleging that the President’s advisors were pushing him to
declare martial law to invalidate the election and that Mr. Miller was an ally installed as the Acting
SecDef to facilitate a coup. He also cited a January 3, 2021 open letter from 10 former Secretaries of
Defense warning the DoD not to use the military in a manner antithetical to the U.S. Constitution.
Mr. Miller stated that he “made a very deliberate decision that I would not put U.S. military people
... East of the 9th Street, northwest. ... And the reason for that was I knew if the morning of the 6th
or prior if we put U.S. military personnel on the Capitol, I would have created the greatest
Constitutional crisis probably since the Civil War.”

The real question is... why was there so many protestors?  Why was there a threat?  And why didn't Trump actually ensure it was safe for the exchange of power?  And why did he actually help make it UNSAFE?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 24, 2022, 04:29:40 PM »
Hey that big fat ass of his might have saved this country. What if he was actually capable of walking to congress on January 6?

The deleted secret service texts are all “yo POTUS so fat” jokes

Yo POTUS so fat, it takes a whole squad to body cover one side.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 22, 2022, 10:43:37 PM »

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Tom seems to also fail at history.

If we offered such weapons to any American, as well as the proper training, the bad guys would get them.
Imagine if the evil democrats all banded to gether with scilocon valley, planned parenthood, and the Liberal Media to fund their own army of evil liberals, all with more hardware than the US government and capable of doing a lot of damage to small, rural towns?  The conservatives are all grass root and don't have the funding needed to purchase and train counter militia.

It would be a slaughter.  Just like Afghanistan.

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Incorrect.
lol.

You just can’t see the future like Tom can, bro.

Seriously though, we have seen groups like the Taliban and Iraqi “insurgents” defend against the US Military basically indefinitely with about the same weapons as the average Texas school child.

Which lends credit to Tom's argument.
They got overthrown, fought for 20 years, and now control the country again.
They literally wore us down until we up and left and then just took the weak ass government without much if a fight.

If Trump gained power and kept it ala dictator, we could keep his army at bay as "Insurgents" until he died then take back the nation.

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Heh. Yeah they never seem to stop and think "wait...what if neither had a gun. maybe that would be better?"
Because MUH SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!

And the other argument is "Well, bad guys would have guns anyway, they don't worry about the law because they're the bad guys!"
But that's a stupid argument, certainly over here you don't get lots of bad guys with guns.
I'll never understand the American mentality in this area, why would you want to live in a society where you feel the need to arm yourself?

But the genie is out of the bottle, there's too many guns in circulation. Which is why the police will continue to be twitchy, I would be too if I was aware that a lot of the people I have to deal with are probably armed.

They aren't wrong.  America has more guns than people.  Just breaking into a rando's house in Texas has a good chance of getting a load of guns.  Which you then sell on the black market.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 18, 2022, 04:36:48 PM »
Yeah but now they’ve got even more freedom! Right? That’s how this works?

The freedom to die.

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Technology & Information / Re: Speeding will be harder...
« on: July 16, 2022, 08:05:04 AM »
Quote
The department says that drivers will still be able to override such systems by pushing harder on the throttle pedal.

The override to your speed throttling program is to go even faster, lmao. Fantastic idea.

Considering the throttle is digital now, not sure its "faster".  My understanding is "If you're going 70mph in a 65mph zone, the pedal gets hard and you slow down.  You need to apply more pressure to go above the speed limit.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 08:40:28 PM »
Rushy is right.  Its the problem with Free Will.

Remember, the entire Old Testimate is full of God's medling to try and fix 'Evil'.  He turned a city to salt and flooded the entire world (except one super good family), killing everyone, including innocent babies and fetuses.  The world was still evil after a short time.
He then sent down Jesus (himself).  THAT didn't work either.

Evil must exist because we have free will.  And God the cop didn't work.  Literal Genocide didn't stop it.  Which means that Free Will inevitably leads to evil existing.
And as Rusy said, God would need to personally intervene in every single act of pain.  But lets say God stops all rapists by making them die if they rape someone.  He then has to define Rape.  Is it rape if they're married?  If she wants to stop half way through?  WE say yes, but if God says yes, then that means he's probably gonna kill alot more people.  People who might not want God to kill them.

If God removes the concept of Rape from existence, how would he do it?  Well, we need to determine why people rape and remove that.  They rape because they're horny (which is what you need to be to want to make babies) or they want to overpower someone, which is part of a larger system of dominance, which helps keep us alive and masters of the world.  "The meek shall inherit the earth" doesn't work if said meek get eaten by wolves.


So yeah... its complicated shit.
I mean, we had enough food, water, shelter, and land for most of human history.  Hell, we STILL could feed everyone.  We just don't want to.



The arguement is that God could have created a universe where people had free will, evil did not exist and everyone felt completely fulfilled.  Instead he chose to create this universe.  Pretty shitty choice by God.

Free will, as a choice between good and evil acts, does not exist if evil itself does not exist.

What does Rushy do?

[sounds of a woodchipper running in the background]

God throws his hands up and says, "Meh.  Free will." then turns around a walks out while closing the door behind Him.

The problem is that God's actions as a total obviously impact the universe differently than a single human's choices in the same situation. For God, we must apply one action to the entire universe simultaneously (that is unless you think God would save someone's daughter in one case and not in another, not entirely impossible depending on the religion). If God stops all evil actions all the time, this, again, means there is no such thing as free will.

To put it another way, imagine I'm now omnipotent. My morality is now total law. I define Good and Evil. I decide that allowing Evil is, itself, Evil and therefore no one is allowed to do Evil anymore. Is this a good universe where you would like to live? A place where some omnipotent Rushy decides what you can and can't do? I don't think you would like that.

It's an interesting philosophical discussion.  I just call bullshit on folks who want to claim that their god is some loving, kind, benevolent being.  Take free will out of the discussion.  You wouldn't want to live in a world where, say, no child is ever born with spina bifida?  My neighbor was born with it and has to spend his entire life in a wheelchair.  Nice guy that God is.
Imagine a world where no one had any illnesses or imperfections and didn't die?
Diseases are population control because we're basically apex preditors.  We spread EVERWHERE and without something to kill us off, our population would be far too great far too fast.  Heck, it is NOW.
Would you wanna live in a 20 billion population world?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 03:36:50 PM »
If you fear your father, he's probably abusive.

To fear God means to have great reverence for Him. Reverence means respect and honour.

O.o
So... Fear is not fear?
I think something got lost in translation.

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