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Not the first to speculate about crazy and exotic forms of life existing inside of stars. Life like this probably would not 'yawn' or 'sleep' or do anything remotely Earth-life-like. But it's fun to speculate.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 29, 2021, 02:04:04 AM »
If you work in the US, and pay taxes, you should be allowed to vote. 'No taxation without representation' is like, the cornerstone of American history, the very crux of its independence from Britain. The inverse, taxation earns the right to representation, should be true as well.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 26, 2021, 02:18:42 PM »

I'm glad he's still trying.  One of the few good things he's done.

I don’t buy it. After spending over a year grifting COVID and vaccine misinformation, he doesn’t just get to backpedal now and get off scot free. He had a duty to protect the country and its people, and he played the equivalent of a arsonist firefighter. One sentence telling people to get vaxxed isn’t enough, even if he went on non-stop pro vax rallies it would still not be enough to undo the damage he has done. No amount of messaging will bring back those who are dead because of him.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA conspiracy questions
« on: December 22, 2021, 06:43:00 PM »

The conspiracy theory must evolve to be much more encompassing than just NASA. At this time there are 81 Government space agencies around the world, 15 with launch capacity, 3 with human spaceflight capability, 6 with extraterrestrial landing capability.

The conspiracy must also evolve to include the hundreds of companies now dealing in private spaceflight.

Not to mention also the thousands of companies worldwide that deal with geospatial data and GIS.

This is not even including all of the airlines and pilots, the ocean freight industry, the military, functionally all of the academics and scientists, news weathermen, engineers, doctors, philosophers, politicians, from all over the globe. All but a small population of a few million Flat Earth believers should be in on the conspiracy, more than 7 billion people keeping a very tight secret. Must be a scary world knowing that literally everyone is out to get you.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: December 22, 2021, 08:35:38 AM »
I don't know.  It's a little complicated and I haven't worked out the details yet.

I appreciate that you haven't worked it out yet. But it's not a detail. Polaris has been the most important star for navigation (in the northern hemisphere) for 1000's of years. It's a big deal. It's not complicated at all in RE. It's right there, for all to see, hovering approximately above the North Pole.
You can't seem to get real distances, continents are missing in full disc satellite images and you don't know where Polaris is. That's pretty much the whole shootin' match in terms of criticality regarding your model and map. None of which are details. They are massive inconsistencies.

So start at the top, figure out where Polaris is and then we can move forward from there.

I think what’s happening with MetaTron (and FE in general) is that they attempt to bend (pun intended) facts about the universe around their beliefs, instead of the other way around, like a normal person. If belief in FE comes first, facts second, then of course you will run into a million errors everywhere you go. A beliefs-first approach won’t get you anywhere, whether you’re a scientist or a bartender and everything in between.

Compare this to hypothesis testing, where the very first step is forming an antithesis to your belief (the null hypothesis) that you must then disprove. FE never makes it this far, it poses the hypothesis (that the Earth is flat) and just runs with it.

The second problem is the bizarre refusal to reject the hypothesis when it is proven incorrect, often what I see is FEs coming up with yet another theory, like a game of conceptual whack-a-mole.

FE theory leads to Celestial Dome theory which leads to Universal Acceleration theory which leads to no-Gravity theory which leads to.. who knows where the rabbit hole will go. On Reddit I saw something about NASA conspiring with the Clinton Foundation to traffic Haitian orphans to Antarctica.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth maps?
« on: December 22, 2021, 06:14:18 AM »
The earth is flat as explained by God in the Bible.
Or maybe you don’t understand the Bible correctly. Given all the easily verifiable evidence which shows the earth isn’t flat.
I assume you go to church, do all the people there believe the earth is flat? If not are they all wrong?

Last I checked, any two who gather in HIS name is CHURCH. Flat earth is not a prerequisite to entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Being a satanist here would preclude you from the very narrow gates. Thanks for playing swish swish --l>>>>>>

"The Bible clearly establishes that the Earth is flat. There are hundreds of scriptures that suggest that the Earth is a stationary object and flat. According to 1 Chronicles 16:30, it states that "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable," which means that the Earth is an immobile, fixed object within space. This line of reasoning is continued with other scriptures including Psalm 93:1 which states that "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm..." and Isaiah 45:18 with "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."[1]

Although flat Earth is never explicitly stated within the Bible, the state of the Earth as a flat object can be inferred from verses such as Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king "saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth... reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." [2] If the Earth were actually spherical, then it would be impossible to see this tree from all corners of the Earth. Because it is possible, it proves that the Earth is flat.

The flatness of the Earth is further proven due to the ability of people within the Bible to see to all edges of the Earth. Matthew 4:8 states that "Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory." Seeing all of the kingdoms in the world would be impossible unless the Earth was flat. This is further supported by Revelation 1:7 stating "Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him..." A flat Earth would allow everyone on the planet to see someone who is flying above them."

Not sure what your point with all of this when the Quran is the definitive word of God, there is unanimous consensus amongst medieval Muslim scholars to the contrary.

Ibn Hazm (d. 1064 CE), wrote over a thousand years ago in his book al-Fisal, "I do not know of a single scholar worth the title of scholar who claims other than that the earth is round. Indeed the evidences in the Quran and Sunnah are numerous to this effect" [al-Fisal, v. 2 p. 78]. Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328 CE), wrote that there is unanimous consensus of all the scholars of Islam that the world is round, and that reality and perception also proves this, for, as he writes, it is well known that the Sun sets on different peoples at different times, and does not set on the whole world at the same time. In fact, writes Ibn Taymiyya, it is truly an ignorant person who claims that the earth is not round. [Majmu al-Fatawa, v. 6, p. 586]. And there are many others scholars, such as al-Razi, who wrote on this subject, and I do not know of any medieval scholar who held another view.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 22, 2021, 05:51:13 AM »
If you accept that the mediums and all affecting phenomena between the Sun and all points on Earth are not necessarily homogenous, there is a video on the Wiki showing how it could work on a Monopole model:

All of the discussion so far is all very interesting, but the fundamental point here is that the various explanations offered cannot coexist. Even if the world and sun were configured as shown in that video, then the wiki explanation of EA cannot also be true - the light rays cannot possibly behave in the way shown. And, if anybody had managed to pin down the elusive ‘Bishop constant’, it wouldn’t work, would it?

So which is it Tom? Pick a horse. You can’t propose one theory one day, and then rely on a contradictory one in another debate on another subject.

This isn't that different than standard EA. Light rays are bending upwards inside of the medium. This is a non-uniform EA, creating different curves depending on where the Sun is located and shining through the environment.

You are dodging the question of how a glass dome proves any point about our atmosphere and our sun. Glass is approx 2500x denser than air, the change in density from one material to another is literally what causes light refraction in the first place. I could not build a desktop model of a building out of paper and popsicle sticks and claim that those materials are suitable for real world construction, that would be insane. Using solid glass as an analogue to our atmosphere is just absurd, try the experiment again with a dome full of air and see where that gets you, at least that would be started on the right track.

Not to mention the use of a flashlight as a light source, which is not analogous to our Sun. According to the wiki, "The Sun is a revolving sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the Earth." If you shone a lightbulb at the glass dome instead of a spotlight you'd get a completely different result.

So the example using a glass dome and a flash light to describe the world is doubly absurd.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: December 17, 2021, 09:56:39 PM »
For me this isn't about government mandates. This is a private sector thing.
In my factory, I'm paying for health insurance. I'm responsible for the safety of the people here. I have to breathe in your pathogens.
If you want to work here, you get vaccinated.

I don't give a crap what the government or the Book of Revelations or Vladimir Putin says.

If you have some problem with getting vaccinated, this isn't the job for you. Just like a vegetarian Hindu is not going to work in a slaughterhouse.

It's ironic how many people are anti-vaxx but also hoo-rah pro-Armed Forces despite the fact that being anti-vaxx will earn you a dishonorable discharge now.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Reasoning behind the Universal Accelerator
« on: December 16, 2021, 04:46:32 PM »
The biggest impossibility with Universal Acceleration is that you'd reach relativistic speeds within the month, and hit the speed of light within a year. From an initial velocity of 0, a constant acceleration of 9.8 m/s would mean that the Flat Earth would reach the speed of light in 11.6 months. So UA needs an entirely different physics paradigm, because depending on the age of the Earth, we would currently be experiencing a velocity that is trillions of times the speed of light.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 16, 2021, 02:58:36 PM »
Maybe if our atmosphere were made of solid glass, then the demonstration would yield some useful insight. Otherwise I fail to see the relevance.

I'm fairly sure that there are more atoms in the atmosphere than there are in that piece of glass.

Air at sea level is 1.225 kg/m^3, whereas glass is ~2500 kg/m^3. So the desktop glass dome example is rendered totally moot by the point that it is exaggerating the refractive effect by the point that glass is over 2000 times denser than air.

Another point of contention about your glass half-sphere example is that the density of the glass at the bottom (touching the plane) and the top are all the same densities. Which is obviously and demonstrably not true when it comes to the atmosphere, climbing to the top of a mountain is evidence enough that the atmosphere is not homogenous. There is a air pressure gradient as you go up in altitude. You would need a glass dome that is 'fuzzy' where it is 25x denser at the base than it is at its mid point, tapering off into nothing as you approach the top boundary.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 15, 2021, 09:58:55 PM »
Maybe if our atmosphere were made of solid glass, then the demonstration would yield some useful insight. Otherwise I fail to see the relevance.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« on: December 15, 2021, 07:11:07 PM »
Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.

I support universal and free access to bariatric surgery for all Americans. The cost savings on healthcare for people who would otherwise suffer a heart attack, diabetes, ruined bones and joints, and mental health just to name a few, would run in the billions.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Eugenics
« on: December 15, 2021, 06:37:52 PM »
I'm not usually one for tinfoil hat conspiracy theories but am I the only one that thinks anti-vaxx movement is actually a veiled eugenics movement intended to improve the USA via the pruning of some problematic demographic groups?

Is it any coincidence that the people with the most aggressive views towards 'outsiders', prone to knee-jerk reactions and militant outbursts, who are selfish to the point of radical individualism, distrustful of authority, and ignorant to the point of believing more pseudoscience than truth, are being exposed to endless torrents of anti-vaxx/mask/lockdown content on social media?

It could merely be that 'the corporate global elite' is so incompetent that they cannot control the flood of disinformation, which is causing Americans with IQs that are too low to suffer.

But in the conspiracy it could also be that the social media companies (namely Facebook) are behind anti-vaxx / anti-mask / anti-lockdown propaganda by sugar coating it in concepts like 'liberty' and 'inalienable rights' and 'freedom', to create an irresistible rhetorical sugar trap to bait the most garbage quality Americans into committing suicide via COVID. At the end of the day it would be plain old eugenics via genocide.

The irony would be that anti-vaxxers are being told via Qanon memes that 'the vaccinated' are actually the targets of this genocide, I think Qanon predicted that in 3 years everyone who is vaccinated would be dead from side effects. This is an obvious misdirect, to lull the real sheep into a false sense of survival and security, when they are truly the ones being lined up on the chopping block.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 14, 2021, 02:58:40 PM »
At equinox, the sun lights half the earth, from longitude to ((longitude +180) mod 360). On the FE map, this turns into simply bisecting the earth, one side is dark, the other is daylight. I have made a graphic of the horizontal component of bending light that I should probably put in it's own thread. Numerous questions arise.

Is the EA wiki page still in effect? I could not find it in the index, just through search.

I once calculated the size of an FE sun 3,500 mi away as 35 miles across. One can measure the energy per square foot, as is well known through solar panels. I calculate the ratio of the ratio of area of the sun to the lit portion of the earth (FE) to be 100,000 to 1. That means that each square foot of the sun has 100,000 times as much energy passing through/generated as the surface of the earth receives. The edge of the dome around the sun must be some pertty remarkable material, ditto whatever holds it up, shade mechanism.

Even more interesting is the total failure of RET explanation for the sun that produces all that power to grow plants, make wind and rain and ocean currents, power solar cells, heat the ground, etc. RET says it is a giant blob of hydrogen that compresses itself into fusion. Not sure it works with 35 mile diameter blob of hydrogen. Pretty sure it doesn't.

More significant is the failure of FET to explain why sunlight can travel up to 2.5x further in one arbitrary direction, over another.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 14, 2021, 05:31:49 AM »
How many phenomenon now are hand-waved away with the explanation of 'light gets curved'?

1. Sailboats descend below the horizon to an observer at sea level because light curves the image of the boat downwards, producing the illusion of a curved plane.
2. Light from the sun is curved into a bean shape as it casts down over the Earths surface, producing the illusion of a sphere illuminated by a distant light source.
3. Light from the stars in the dome are excluded from this principle, producing the illusion of distant stars, galaxies and gas clouds.

My point is that (2) isn't compatible with EA anyway. The explanation for EA describes beams of light radiating out from the sun / stars and being bent vertically - this would result in a circular pattern. There's no explanation offered for the bean shape - that comes from another, incompatible explanation involving lenses. They are both individually flawed and mutually exclusive.

I understand the FE theory of the sun revolving in a circular plane above the flat surface
of the planet at a constant altitude of 3,000 miles (more or less), with its orbital centre
located above the North pole.  Hence the "spotlight" effect on the Earth's surface.

But that seems to ignore the fact that rather than being smaller in diameter than the Earth,
(as per the FE model) in fact the sun is massively larger;  its diameter is 109 times that of
the Earth, measured even with any simple optical telescope.

This leads me to believe that the spotlight effect could not occur as theorised.  Imagine a
table-tennis ball resting on the far side of your room, illuminated by the incandescent bulb
of a table lamp on the opposite side of the room.  This better illustrates the lighting effects
from the sun onto Earth.

The shadow thus formed on the table-tennis ball will not actually form a clearly defined spotlight
on the surface of the ball, but simply its nearside illuminated fully, and it far-side in darkness.
Exactly as per RE theory.

A flat sheet of A4 paper cut to a circular shape and held facing the light will also be fully illuminated
over its entire surface, with again no spotlight effect, and at odds with the FE theory.  How can
this be explained?

And, critically, it makes little difference if the ball and paper are 10 meters distant from the light
source or one metre from the light source.  Which means, in effect, and knowing the size of the
sun, it could be 3,000 miles above the Earth's surface (ouch!) or 93,000,000 miles above, and the
RE model would still hold.

I suspect the FE answer to that will be that the sun isn't that big - it's much smaller in the FE model. I should also point out that TB has stated that the wiki is wrong and that the sun and starts are all up at around 6500 miles, not 3000.

If the Sun is the source of all heat on Earth and it's only 3000-6500 miles away it's a wonder we are not vaporized instantly.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Shape of the lit area on the FE map vs EA
« on: December 13, 2021, 03:29:45 PM »
How many phenomenon now are hand-waved away with the explanation of 'light gets curved'?

1. Sailboats descend below the horizon to an observer at sea level because light curves the image of the boat downwards, producing the illusion of a curved plane.
2. Light from the sun is curved into a bean shape as it casts down over the Earths surface, producing the illusion of a sphere illuminated by a distant light source.
3. Light from the stars in the dome are excluded from this principle, producing the illusion of distant stars, galaxies and gas clouds.

I suggest Flat Earth theory try to get this straight. Light refraction is a solvable physics problem.

If you don't have the physics skill, knowledge and understanding to perform the calculations for light refracting through a simple prism yet you feel confident enough to claim that Flat Earth phenomenon is explained by light refraction, you need to take a big step back and spend some time in deep introspection because that is called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

What's with the fascination with Rowbotham anyways? Let's say he is as qualified a scientist as one could be in the 1870s. Let's all be real, the bar for empiricism in the 1800s was not high. With the bar for empiricism so low, I would bet a majority of scientists and physicians would be considered quacks by today's standards.

Regardless, he is just one man out of millions of physicists, astronomers, geologists, meteorologists, engineers, that have been born, worked long careers, and died since that time. It is quite literally Rowbotham vs. The World when it comes to Flat Earth belief. If the best Flat Earth can do is quack doctor who died 137 years ago, you should be able to see why his contribution is very much unconvincing.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Azimuth angles?
« on: December 11, 2021, 05:13:47 PM »
Sorry to confuse anyone.
I thought this would be obvious, but it isn't. 🤔
I believe the earth is flat and stationary.
We observe that the sun rises and sets at the same angle,( as shown in the chart above,) BUT we are told that we sit on a ball tilted at 23.4° ( sorry for being 1° out 🙄).  So azimuth angles charts prove that the globe model is a lie and therefore the whole solar system is a lie as well.
As for what I mean by equal angles can be seen from the chart above, at the equinox (green line) the sun rises 90° from North and sets at 90° before north, that an equal angle, this as I said before is impossible if the earth is a tilted ball, therefore it's not.

Thanks for making it obvious that you don't actually have any idea what the equinox actually is. Which makes the confident tone you write with all the more amusing.

The earth is tilted, and it orbits the Sun. Which means that there will be two moments in each revolution where the tilt is most aligned with the equator (equinoxes) and least aligned with the equator (solstices). Your claim that the 90 degree angles at the equinoxes are impossible makes no sense, when the 90 degree alignment is what defines the equinoxes in the first place - without that alignment there is no equinox.

If there were no tilt, the sun would set and rise in the same place at the same time all the time. There would be no equinox, no solstice, no seasons.

The notion that Rowbotham is the father of soda is a bold faced lie. Thomas Henry, an apothecary from Manchester, was the first to sell artificial mineral water to the general public for medicinal purposes, beginning in the 1770s. The history of the origin of soft drinks predates Rowbotham's birth by 40 years. He may have certainly contributed to the industry but so was basically everyone who called themselves a pharmacist or apothecary at that time.

Hi Duncan,

Planes from LA to Europe take Great Circle Paths on FE because they are following the path of Jet Streams that circle the world.  Jet Streams are incredibly powerful streams of wind that run West to East and help carry a plane to their destination - sometimes doubling their speed.  Flying in cold weather also helps with Fuel Efficiency.  So, when Pan AM starts to make their return trip from London, they are now flying across and against jet streams and in warmer weather conditions which may explain the added fuel stops. 

Flying from East to West planes also take "Great Circle" paths because they try to avoid going against jet streams and pick the colder side which is smoother and more fuel efficient.

Traditionally, "Great Circle" paths are thought of as the shortest distance from point A to B a plane can fly on a spherical earth and would look like a straight line.

Here's an image of Jet Streams on a spherical earth and a flat earth.

It takes 7 hours to fly direct from NYC to London, and 8.5 hours coming back. The polar jet streams account for a 20% speed difference over the identical route, not exactly 100% as you claim. Plus, you can freely access global wind data: and while the jet stream is quite strong over the Atlantic ocean and around Antarctica, it's hardly present anywhere else.

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