Original Post by Rabinoz (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5161.msg101446#msg101446)
A common flat-earther misunderstanding is that "Water always Maintains a level, water does not bend or curve"...
The amount of infrared radiation (heat) measured at the surface of the earth at various latitudes corresponds to a far-away sun shining on a round earth.
(http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4870.msg94089#msg94089)...
FYI, as more proofs are added, I will probably keep this one towards the bottom, due to it's relative complexity. I prefer that the easier to understand proofs that don't require much background knowledge be near the top. Please don't take this as a slight. It is very well done.
Surely this is a Science & Alternative Science thread than a Flat Earth Information Repository one? It does not include any Flat Earth information to date, merely RE'er hand-waving which fits under the description of "the discussion of theoretical, applied and alternative science".
Sure it isn't an information repository in support of a flat earth, but surely a single thread can be spared for use by the opposition? After all, you have the entire wiki to use.To be honest, I'd personally be in favour of helping you guys get your own wiki if that's the intended purpose.
Sure it isn't an information repository in support of a flat earth, but surely a single thread can be spared for use by the opposition? After all, you have the entire wiki to use.To be honest, I'd personally be in favour of helping you guys get your own wiki if that's the intended purpose.
That said, I see your point and I also don't particularly care where the thread ends up going. Historically, FEIR was a "no dissent allowed, we just group up all FE information here" zone, but these things evolve over time, and if the others find the thread useful, that's fine by me.
These are pictures of Mt. Rainier casting a shadow on clouds either at sunset or sunrise....
From the Christian Middle Ages we have direct literary allusions to the idea that the earth was viewed as spherical, but no allusions to the making of a globe before the 15th century. Why is this? ... To the scholars who knew it was a sphere, and cared enough to write about it as such, the construction of a globe might have been an unnecessary elaborationSo, globe maps were not often produced, not because the earth was thought to be flat, but because a globe map was considered redundant. The comment about "the scholars who knew" was meant NOT to compare those scholars (the ones who knew) against other scholars (with different ideas); "the scholars who knew" are being contrasted with the uneducated classes, the non-scholars, who did not know. In fact the author states outright that if the uneducated of the time thought about the earth's shape at all, they would likely have thought that it was flat because it LOOKS flat to the eye.
although I know from my own knowledge that the world can be shown as it is in the form of a sphere, I have determined to show the same route by a chart similar to those which are made for navigation. The straight lines which are shown lengthwise on the said chart show the distance from west to east, the others which are across show the distance from north to south
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...
An oft repeated "fact" is that no matter how high up you go, the horizon is always at eye level, which (so the story goes) would prove that the earth is flat. Yesterday I took the photo below from an airplane at 36,000 feet altitude, using the free Dioptra theodolite app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glidelinesystems.dioptra&hl=en) on a Nexus 6P phone. Ignore the Lat/Long and Altitude data: the phone is in airplane mode and the last GPS fix it had was the Atlanta airport. The pitch, roll, and compass sensors do not rely on GPS, so they work in airplane mode. I leveled the phone as well as I could, within a degree of left-to-right roll and only 1/10 of a degree below level front-to-back. As you can see, there is plenty of blue sky BELOW the dead-level position we are told to expect the horizon to be. To the naked eye, the horizon LOOKS like it's at eye level, yes. To an instrument, it measures at about 1 degree below eye level. I don't have a photo with the theodolite's horizon matched up to the earth's horizon because the entire flight was over land (not likely to be level) and there were scattered clouds at every point that I took a look (obscuring the earth's horizon from view).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oSjuOogdA9XYt7AxgmIfHpT9dOnb-SQJxsKo2O9-V_5DmTKDLx5THM-k9HSWVJ5ATUMkTeJ8C99DCc9oStEKr5k83EchMX4_ReNouBvxZ8piyzxGtuAFeJ3D6ve4NmVVFA4-6t82Ep9scnoZYPxiB01OMxD7p8fkD1FO2XCCtDSkOewZF4IpSPHvh_YBwimIPw_vHRq2JlWh3WbpDnHzO12Tzb7rykwP-jAkfdr0Y-Xvd-IUlGZMBqxgycnRiiRQv4ZCdtxjfvBrDakFUTOHYzUi_yt5FweGA8qip20_he2rbB3usoZoVxyBAoBz7ejfxLd8cxNXJ0Pbej9wm4SPyEocgCItr6Q7iPJICjNNPon6Emp0MFbQo0l_KDLkn9yj6_IdVBUtnB7RhdXxZUF9HxNyREb0gzR_b-cfRQsOdG9GH65r-N1o5MesLBCT_3J3sfjyZdO1-Z7Y9FQqCdoKBVWYSvYnDoKKjVfIYANo-Z-hyP70X5DPvSgsONmuNFzo-IeKStvpAT7oEnSumBo-1ERV6qlDJQY6KHmcUUcwQs8wXu8amCob5w4RvXyLLY2XG-48TjioTyEDWC1kEE9wj5ibOHvw29h_vxdnI0KIEZrwO5i_=w1900-h1424-no)
Your photo doesn't seem to be showing up. Following the URL asks me for a google login. Perhaps it's a private photo?Thanks, I'll check when I'm in front of my computer again.
Also, I'm not too inclined to trust a theodolite smart phone app, especially one that was possibly calibrated in a turbulent airplane. I'm going to hold off linking to this one until the evidence is more reliable.Fair enough. (Although of course I did my horizon zero in the airport terminal on a flat surface, not in flight)
Someone asked me repost a discussion about flight times I had with Tom Bishop on here, but it is simpler to just link to the other post. The discussion starts at the bottom of page one of this thread: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5888.0
(http://imgur.com/v7FtuqJ.png)
However, this still presents some problems.
1. There has never been a report of anyone seeing an intersection between the various South Celestial Poles. Considering that mankind has been navigating the oceans by the stars for several hundred years, this seems unlikely.
2. The South Celestial Pole is always exactly due South. It is always 180 degrees in the opposite direction of North. In the "Celestial Gears" model, moving east or west would cause the South Celestial Pole to no longer be due South. There would be a non 180 degree angle between the North Celestial Pole and South Celestial Pole.