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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Apollo mission photos are NOT fake !
« on: June 06, 2016, 05:35:00 PM »
How about the sheer number of photographs? Compared to the amount of time supposedly spent on the surface. The math brings the rate of photos being taken at something like one every 50 seconds.
Every argument you can think of, we already have explanation of it.

And please, if you don't want to refute the existing explanation, simply don't do it. Don't even try an Ad hominem, even if the page "seems" biased.

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1. In the flat earth model, the stars are rotating around a vertical axis centered at the North Pole (do you agree?).

I believe in the bi-polar model with two celestial systems located over the North and South Poles.
Sure it partially fix the problem, but what is the mechanism of stars, planets, Moon and the Sun to disappear from one end and appear on the other?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Apollo mission photos are NOT fake !
« on: June 03, 2016, 11:10:56 PM »
It was thought to be highly unlikely or impossible to land on the moon in the first place, why would faking it be even harder?
The Soviets were tracking the mission, heck i'm kidding the entire world does. This requires all the country that was tracking it to be in league of NASA or NASA did send an unmanned object to the Moon. Which would brings the question, why wouldn't they send a manned one like they claimed? There were already a speech prepared for them in case they don't make it back to Earth.

We also have the retro reflectors placed on the Moon and brought back Moon rocks, which tasks may seem to be too hard for a machine of that era.

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IF.......You can't see the sun "because of the thickness of the 'atmoplane'" why can you  see the stars after the sun sets ?

Because the stars are over you and the sun is not.
But soon after sunset we often see the moon, a planet (commonly Venus or Jupiter) or even a bright star appear in the same location that the sun was in as it was setting.
So as was asked before, "if you can't see the sun 'because of the thickness of the atmoplane'  why can you  see the stars after the sun sets?"

If this "the thickness of the atmoplane" can block the intense light of the sun, how can we see the far dimmer moon, planets and stars in exactly the same location previously occupied by the sun.

Because they are bright enough to be seen. Next question.
Are you hacked, drunk or something? Your answer makes less sense than an average flat Earther lately.
How could we not see the Sun which is extremely brighter than the stars and the Moon?

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Bipolar map? How can stars magically reappear in the East after they set in the West?

I'm not sure what you mean by this last sentence. The rest of your post is correct though.
The bipolar map of flat Earth:

Could not explain how stars rise again in the Easter after setting in the West.

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If the earth was flat, we would expect there to only be rotation around the vertical axis

Why?

That's how the model works, isn't it? Is there a flat earth model where the earth or stars don't rotate around the vertical axis?

What's wrong with the movement that can't occur on a Flat Earth?
Stars rotate counter-clockwise around Polaris in the North, rotate clockwise around the South celestial pole in the South and rise from the East and sets to the West near the equator. It looks like what we would seen in a rolling airplane where North as the head, South as the tail and equator as the passenger windows. On a unipolar map of a flat Earth, stars only rotate around 1 central pole, anyone in the equator or the opposite pole would see stars rotating at a vertical axis only. It would look like looking up on an airplane yawing. Bipolar map? How can stars magically reappear in the East after they set in the West?

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I think this is what Intikam wants


Values from TotesNotReptilian
altitude (km) -> speed relative to a non-rotating earth (km/h)
0 -> 1667
20 -> 1673
50 -> 1681
85 -> 1690
690 -> 1848
10000 -> 4285 ? (This one is practically in space, I doubt it is rotating at exactly the same rate.)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth scam? Nasa Hoax?
« on: May 30, 2016, 06:38:02 AM »
Does it seem like a truth movement? Or is it a scam?
I'd say both, flat Earthers like Eric Dubay only care on getting money from this conspiracy.
Meanwhile the average ignorant flat Earther started to demand equality of flat Earth, i've seen they started to call article about astronomical phenomena biased towards the spherical Earth, just my irrational fear that they could start a revolution.

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You cannot disprove a flat earth map by (fake) sattelite images (cgi images)
Who does?

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA948/history/20160521/2120Z/VIDP/ZBAA
Distance   Direct: 2,369 sm    Planned: 2,369 sm    Flown: 3,082 sm

Reverse route:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA947/history/20160523/1240Z/ZBAA/VIDP
Distance   Direct: 2,369 sm    Planned: 2,369 sm    Flown: 3,405 sm

What a globe earth map huh! Where is the garbage can?  :)

Sorry it's caused by perspective or high mountains or atomic particuls.  ;D
You didn't even explain how this is relevant at all

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Not a flat Earther, but their usual respond is to look up at the wiki or:

If the Earth is flat, then why do ships appear to rise out of the ocean? I've always thought this was due to the curvature of the earth.
Because we can't see forever by the law of perspective + lots of air blocking the ship.

This picture here (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2LWIGKnsnXY/hqdefault.jpg) shows how flat Earthers believe the sun works. According to this, the sun is shining over Western North America and Eastern Asia. Why can't Africa see the sun?
Just like above, Sun is blocked by air, something about bendy light and that light can't travel forever because they will disappear.

Why do constellations and planets move around in the sky? if the earth was flat, we should be able to see the same constellations all the time; however, this is not the case. for example, around fall, you can see the constellation "Orion" in Eastern North America. As spring and summer draw nearer, Orion slowly disappears over the horizon. Please explain.
Because they rotate at different rate than the Sun

BONUS
If you've ever looked through a telescope at other planets, the moon, or the sun, you'll notice they are all spherical. Why is earth the only exception?
Because Earth is not a planet, just like humans and cats have legs, but snakes don't.

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This is not china air problem this is map problem. You must change the distance on the map from 2.300 sm to 3.000 sm. Oh no, it was sattelite map,you can't surely surely, i'm sorry i forgot it. 

 ;D  ;D Sattelite map.  ;D  ;D  sattelite map +- % 40 mistake.   :D  Where is your "perspective" gone to?  :D

Your famous excuse is "perspective"  doesn't work here. So you are leading to ask the problem to China air. No i'm not, i don't know chinese. Ask them yourself.
I don't think you even get that global satellite map are distorted when projected into a flat projection.

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA948/history/20160521/2120Z/VIDP/ZBAA
Distance   Direct: 2,369 sm    Planned: 2,369 sm    Flown: 3,082 sm

Reverse route:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA947/history/20160523/1240Z/ZBAA/VIDP
Distance   Direct: 2,369 sm    Planned: 2,369 sm    Flown: 3,405 sm

What a globe earth map huh! Where is the garbage can?  :)

Sorry it's caused by perspective or high mountains or atomic particuls.  ;D
Be sensible! That has absolutely nothing to do with the map or the Globe!

Sorry for shouting, but you simply will not listen to reason or logic.

The distance is simply the distance on the route actually flown. Go and ask Air China, not us. Air China decide on the route.

Your sorry was rejected. You can't be right with shouting. In our country we say that "Be modest in thy bearing and subdue thy voice. Lo! the harshest of all voices is the voice of the ass." actually it was a verse from quran 31:19  :)
Is being arrogant completely alright where you live at?
The end of the globers is coming with İntikam.  ;)
Wait and see how is your end will become! Wait and see, watch and learn...

You can't stop me with anyway.  I never give up. You have no chance. Your unresistable  end is coming so not unduly try to resist.

I'm in no hurry because I know that will win in the end. I am enjoying it. you are in panic.  how delightful it is to see that reb's in a panic. but your panic attacs will not change to result. Maybe your panic attacs are motivating me, because i believe "en eye for en eye" so when you resist me, then i find a power to working more. who can know that.  :)

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You do realize every "flat" map is grossly distorted, and not an accurate representation of shapes and proportions, right?

So you agree with me :-)
Every "flat" map is grossly distorted - including both of yours - the one showing the north pole at the centre of a disc and the bipolar one I have also come across on these forums !

Because the whole point of my post is that a flat map CANNOT successfully represent the sizes, shapes and relative proportions of countries, continents and oceans BECAUSE the earth is a sphere. The only way to accurately represent the earth is on a globe!!
BUT, if in reality the earth is actually flat, then it would be a rather straightforward exercise to produce an accurate map which shows the correct sizes of every country, continent and ocean in the correct proportions !
But you can't do this... because the earth is actually a sphere !!

Perhaps the FE society should put their money where their mouth is and start a GoFundMe to hire surveyors and cartographers to create the real map of the flat earth ??

Your map is your one of your biggest problems !!!
I predict he will say stuff how he isn't a flat Earther and flat map is obviously distorted that we're stupid to point that out.

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You do realize every "flat" map is grossly distorted, and not an accurate representation of shapes and proportions, right?
It's mentioned several times in the OP
IMHO the biggest problem with the FE Model is the lack of a decent map which shows all countries, continents and oceans in their correct relation to each other and correct proportions to each other.
So far both FE maps I have seen are a major distortion of reality - continents the wrong shape or size, distances between continents are grossly misrepresented and you can't even agree between yourselves which map is correct.
BUT ... if the earth is actually flat, then drawing a map which shows all countries, continents and oceans in the correct proportions to each other should be a super easy job !!

So @TheTruthIsOnHere does that mean you actually agreed that the Earth is impossible to be flat?

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I found a source like at the bottom. But i don't understand it exactly. My english knowledge is insufficent to exactly understand it. If someone read and understand and can explain me what he which method does arrive at the conclusion which suggests that exactly?

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Ridiculous Yacht Race Around Antarctica can't be Real.



ABOVE, we see a diagram of the "race track" around Antarctica for the VENDEE GLOBE race that starts in France. When I first ran across this, I thought it was some kind of joke or maybe a board game. But no. This is being promoted as the real thing with a full entry and history on Wikipedia. Note the "gates", the "sections" and so on. What is MISSING-- are the numerous radar points along the Antarctic coast (I'll find the map later)... that could act as checkpoints. There are numerous questions raised when considering this "race"-- Let's get started.


SEARCH shows 200K + hits for
yacht race around antarctica - Google Search

WIKIPEDIA ENTRY on this race named "VENDEE GLOBE"-- which is funny to me because if the earth is flat, the creator or sponsors of this race feel so insecure about their "globe" earth cover-up that they just HAD to put the word "GLOBE" into the name of the race-- as if to make sure the word got out again-- just as it has with the use of the word globe instead of world-- for decades now. (I forget who, among the flat earthers, pointed out the use of the word "global" instead of "world".)







Vendée Globe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendée_Globe

The Vendée Globe is a round-the-world single-handed yacht race, sailed ... then clockwisearound Antarctica, keeping Cape Leeuwin and Cape Horn to port; ...

The Vendée Globe is a round-the-world single-handed yacht race, sailed non-stop and without assistance.[1] The race was founded by Philippe Jeantot in 1989,[2] and since 1992 has taken place every four years. The 2016–2017 edition is planned to start on Sunday, 6 November 2016.[3]






4.1 1989–90
4.2 1992–93
4.3 1996–97
4.4 2000–01
4.5 2004–05
4.6 2008–09
4.7 2012–13



Rick says... Here is the map Wikipedia -- and even perhaps the race organizers use to show their route. Why this projection? Why not a tilted projection showing the "bottom" of their "globe" in all its glory?

Here's a google search on
map of earth antarctica projection south pole - Google Search

I liked this result -- it shows the map as Wiki and the race organizers SHOULD show it so that we can understand the route, the markers, the timing and so on. Of course, they won't use a map that HELPS us to understand-- only maps that sort of leave us CONFUSED.
World South Pole Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area Projection Map | South Pole Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area Projection World Map





Consider the alternative possible route on a flat earth where it would be impossible to travel the 60,000 mile Antarctic perimeter in a sailboat. To fool the public, the organizers would simply sail from France down to South Africa, turn around and go to Tierra Del Fuego and then return to France SAYING they travelled "around Antarctica".



If the world is flat, the following route could advertised as a race around Antarctica-- a loop in the mid-Atlantic, a stop in Rio-- and they call it day.



Here's an even more likely hoax scenario. The Sailboats leave France then dock somewhere in a friendly North African country where they have a green screen studio complete with wind-tunnels and artificial ice. They could pretend they've sailed into Antarctic waters between studio breaks and parties whooping it up, joyous in the fact that they're highly paid lackeys of the Global Hoaxers.



If the world is flat, the following map represents a route I imagine they'd have to take: a 60,000 mile trip around the ice rim. I found a radar pinger system map which I think might be real-- but I lost it for now-- and have merely place my own radar-pinger system in purple dots around the ice rim. The race would have to check in somehow with radar or radio pulses at each checkpoint. I haven't seen anything of this sort written about regarding the race.



If the world turns out to be indeed a globe, a reasonable race around Antarctica would START at a South American Chilean or Argentine city with big fanfare at a big dock with lots of journalists and flat earthers. They should be monitered as they circumscribe the island via the radar/radar checkpoints. Starting and ending the race in the northern hemisphere itself makes this race highly suspect.




How have these organizers been able to get away with this "race" for a few decades-- every four years-- -without major mainstream media attention let alone critical analysis?  I seem to be the first one ever pointing to this as fake.... even POTENTIALLY fake. Is everyone so caught up in the rat race and phony terror that there's no time or energy to debunk obvious candidates like this? Well... I'll just do my best in coming weeks. Thanks to Felix for helping out. We're getting more hits than I thought possible on this blog-- everyone is invited to contribute to solving this puzzle.

I'll get back to the AIRPLANE / fuel mileage distance analysis soon... this yacht race caught my attention a few months ago and this is the first time I took it seriously-- simply because it begs to be looked at in the context I'm considering here-- which is the earth could very well be flat.. and this race a propaganda piece for the globe-- just like NASA's phony space program and fish eye lens views of the horizon & other fakery.

Rather than a yacht race around Antarctica, I'd like to see a Jet Plane Race around Antarctica. I'll think on what that would entail in coming months.

http://rickpotvinflatearth.blogspot.nl/2015/05/ridiculous-yaght-race-around-antarctica.html

The article is saying that the race path was ridiculous for both globe or flat Earth were it's real.

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I think he mean if the Moon was near perigee and the Earth is near aphelion then a Solar eclipse occur, the Sun and Moon looks almost the same size.
I'm not so sure if it's true, never seen photo showing a total solar eclipse at perigee-aphelion and neither how does this suppose to debunk the Moon's orbit, could be just an optical illusion by the immense brightness of the Sun.

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How do we knew the stars are that far away? Do we assume that because of the lack of stellar parallax?
Quite the opposite, we measure a star's parallax then we calculate it's parsec which can be translated into light-years. (Light-year is basically just a measuring stick, it doesn't have much to do in any calculation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

if the law of gravity states that a molecule is intrinsically pulled to every other molecule inversely squared to the distance between them... then why isn't everything careening into the Sun?
Because gravity isn't the only law this Universe have, Electromagnetism is much much more stronger.

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The Earth's tilt isn't moving at all, viewed from Earth's rotational pole, the Earth does not seem to have any inclination, but it is the Sun that's going up and down.
I made these pic showing Earth's rotational axis viewed from a straight ecliptic and a straight equator http://imgur.com/a/IYPD9
They are basically the same thing.

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Locked to Mars
Phobos
Deimos

Locked to Jupiter
Metis
Adrastea
Amalthea
Thebe
Io
Europa
Ganymede
Callisto

Locked to Saturn
Pan
Atlas
Prometheus
Pandora
Epimetheus
Janus
Mimas
Enceladus
Telesto
Tethys
Calypso
Dione
Rhea
Titan
Iapetus

Locked to Uranus
Miranda
Ariel
Umbriel
Titania
Oberon

Locked to Neptune
Proteus
Triton

Locked to Pluto
Charon (Pluto is itself locked to Charon)


Tau Boötis is known to be locked to the close-orbiting giant planet Tau Boötis b.
Very few of those are even observable moons, and none of them have a surface that can be seen with any optical telescope.
Iapetus one of Saturn's moon are observed to be brighter when it's on the western side of Saturn (viewed from Earth) and very very dim when it's on the eastern side of Saturn, this could only mean that Iapetus is tidally locked and have a dark and bright hemisphere.
The surface feature of Galilean moons are visible in observatory telescopes.

Such a view could also suggest it is concave, or even a semisphere dome being observed. I'm not claiming it is, but the view doesn't preclude those explanations - as I said, you only ever see one side (certainly a marvellously impossible coincidence that an orbiting globe would rotate in such a way.
We never said it was coincidence, yet you reject the explanation we give.

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The North magnetic pole does not point the geographic/celestial North pole, it's constantly moving and it's motion is detectable in a decade.
The South magnetic pole does exist, it's currently outside of Antarctic mainland, it does move like it's northern counterpart.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Formation of metals in flat earth
« on: April 30, 2016, 02:44:33 PM »
If the Earth is flat, there is no core.

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