[gavisthename]

The problem I see with science these days is that it has become Scientism ... another form of religion ... we don't know shit about the cosmos ... mathematical equations that seemingly intelligent scientists use are based on the premise of a theory ... after all maths is a language that can be flexibly written.

We have faith in science, like religious people have faith in religion.

Faith does not imply religion.

I have faith my next paycheck will come the same time it always does. Does this mean I worship my job?

They are lights in the sky? Has anyone ever seen mars apart from CGI graphics?

Have you ever seen any of your internal working organs? Your brain?

This line of thinking makes no sense. You assume because you have not seen it, it cannot exist.

The paycheck analogy is just stupid, really really stupid.

So if even if you haven't seen something ... you believe it? That my friend, is faith.

How so? According to your post above if you have faith in something then it's basically a religion. Are you saying that's not what you meant?

There's a difference between blind faith and faith. What you are describing is blind faith.

Exactly its blind faith to believe in what you are told about space from people 'smarter" than you, but not blind faith to expect a paycheck that you have experienced every month. What's difficult to understand about that?

[ElTrancy]

I'm an atheist, religion is ignorance.

Saying that there isn't a god is ignorant if you don't know. I'm agnostic.

Is ignorant? where is the proof that there is a god?

Where's the proof there isn't?

Rape, murder, school shootings, genocide. Where is your god now?

hang on a minute ... do you recall that I said I don't know if there is a god or not? When did he/she become "my" god hahaha

You asked where my proof was, that is it, sorry I referred to you, my special snowflake.

[gavisthename]

Continued: Theories based on what we have observed for a long time, we might be wrong, but it's scientifically sound.

Science has been proven wrong continuously throughout history ... things were "known" in the past

btw old Musky pants is about to get paid!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/tesla-shareholders-vote-on-elon-musks-2-point-6-billion-dollar-pay-package.html

You might want to actually read that article.

I have ... and I predict that he will get paid

Hm...yeah he will, be why and by who is very important.

My sentiments exactly ;-) ... back pocket pay packet coming up for Musky Pants

You really are ignorant. He's getting paid by the people who own part of his company, so THEY can make a profit out of it also. Woahhh

Love using the word ignorant dont you. Does it make you feel smart ... I hear your voice in a squeaky Michael Jackson voice when you say it. haha

So offensive. It really is a great word, but I can use others. Dolt, Addlepate, Arrogant.

I've not been offensive at all snowflake ;-)

[ElTrancy]

I like what you did there. It's actually hard to get angry at someone who turns the snowflake joke against you...

[gavisthename]

I like what you did there. It's actually hard to get angry at someone who turns the snowflake joke against you...

Its a bit pointless getting angry. We're only shooting the shit here.

[ElTrancy]

I like what you did there. It's actually hard to get angry at someone who turns the snowflake joke against you...

Its a bit pointless getting angry. We're only shooting the shit here.

Exactly.

[ElTrancy]

I don't have blind faith, I have seen Mars, I have seen the Moon, I have experienced a round Earth. These are my truths.

[gavisthename]

I don't have blind faith, I have seen Mars, I have seen the Moon, I have experienced a round Earth. These are my truths.

How have you experienced a round earth? What did Mars look like to you?

[ElTrancy]

I don't have blind faith, I have seen Mars, I have seen the Moon, I have experienced a round Earth. These are my truths.

How have you experienced a round earth? What did Mars look like to you?

Mars what exactly how they show it, with the naked eye, it's just a bright red dot, but if you use a telescope, it's kinda well...like they show in the "CGI" mars. Ships coming over the horizon, flights, school.

[Tumeni]

So mars does not exist? We do know, we've know for thousands of years, ancient civilizations know this.

They are lights in the sky? Has anyone ever seen mars apart from CGI graphics?

The hundreds of thousands of professional and amateur astronomers who have been looking at Mars since the invention of the basic telescope?

[jcks]

The problem I see with science these days is that it has become Scientism ... another form of religion ... we don't know shit about the cosmos ... mathematical equations that seemingly intelligent scientists use are based on the premise of a theory ... after all maths is a language that can be flexibly written.

We have faith in science, like religious people have faith in religion.

Faith does not imply religion.

I have faith my next paycheck will come the same time it always does. Does this mean I worship my job?

They are lights in the sky? Has anyone ever seen mars apart from CGI graphics?

Have you ever seen any of your internal working organs? Your brain?

This line of thinking makes no sense. You assume because you have not seen it, it cannot exist.

The paycheck analogy is just stupid, really really stupid.

So if even if you haven't seen something ... you believe it? That my friend, is faith.

How so? According to your post above if you have faith in something then it's basically a religion. Are you saying that's not what you meant?

There's a difference between blind faith and faith. What you are describing is blind faith.

Exactly its blind faith to believe in what you are told about space from people 'smarter" than you, but not blind faith to expect a paycheck that you have experienced every month. What's difficult to understand about that?

That's not what I'm referencing. I'm talking about your claim that science is a religion because it takes faith. Just because you have faith in something does not make it a religion, hence my paycheck analogy. You're confusing that point with space travel which is another discussion.

[gavisthename]

I don't have blind faith, I have seen Mars, I have seen the Moon, I have experienced a round Earth. These are my truths.

How have you experienced a round earth? What did Mars look like to you?

Mars what exactly how they show it, with the naked eye, it's just a bright red dot, but if you use a telescope, it's kinda well...like they show in the "CGI" mars. Ships coming over the horizon, flights, school.

I will definitely have to invest in a telescope ... only what I've watched from peoples footage from a Nikon Coolpix p900 are pulsing lights ... but yeah, need to verify that for myself. The ships over the horizon thing I've seen explained really well human perspective, if you use a zoom lens, the ship that supposedly disappeared comes back into view. And school .... straight up indoctrination.

[Tumeni]

Science has been proven wrong continuously throughout history ...

Yes, science moves on. It's called PROGRESS.

[ElTrancy]

I don't have blind faith, I have seen Mars, I have seen the Moon, I have experienced a round Earth. These are my truths.

How have you experienced a round earth? What did Mars look like to you?

Mars what exactly how they show it, with the naked eye, it's just a bright red dot, but if you use a telescope, it's kinda well...like they show in the "CGI" mars. Ships coming over the horizon, flights, school.

I will definitely have to invest in a telescope ... only what I've watched from peoples footage from a Nikon Coolpix p900 are pulsing lights ... but yeah, need to verify that for myself. The ships over the horizon thing I've seen explained really well human perspective, if you use a zoom lens, the ship that supposedly disappeared comes back into view. And school .... straight up indoctrination.

First of all, telescopes work. Second, the zoom thing was disproved. Schools teach quite a bit of truth.

[gavisthename]

The problem I see with science these days is that it has become Scientism ... another form of religion ... we don't know shit about the cosmos ... mathematical equations that seemingly intelligent scientists use are based on the premise of a theory ... after all maths is a language that can be flexibly written.

We have faith in science, like religious people have faith in religion.

Faith does not imply religion.

I have faith my next paycheck will come the same time it always does. Does this mean I worship my job?

They are lights in the sky? Has anyone ever seen mars apart from CGI graphics?

Have you ever seen any of your internal working organs? Your brain?

This line of thinking makes no sense. You assume because you have not seen it, it cannot exist.

The paycheck analogy is just stupid, really really stupid.

So if even if you haven't seen something ... you believe it? That my friend, is faith.

How so? According to your post above if you have faith in something then it's basically a religion. Are you saying that's not what you meant?

There's a difference between blind faith and faith. What you are describing is blind faith.

Exactly its blind faith to believe in what you are told about space from people 'smarter" than you, but not blind faith to expect a paycheck that you have experienced every month. What's difficult to understand about that?

That's not what I'm referencing. I'm talking about your claim that science is a religion because it takes faith. Just because you have faith in something does not make it a religion, hence my paycheck analogy. You're confusing that point with space travel which is another discussion.

You have experience of receiving a paycheck ... over and over and over again, its not blind faith to expect it to come again. When you have never experienced something yourself, like space travel ... you have to have faith to believe it. I dont know how to say that any simpler....

[Tumeni]

So if even if you haven't seen something ... you believe it? That my friend, is faith.

If the geiger counter is reading off the scale, I move away. I can't see the radioactivity, but I'm certainly not going to wander through Chernobyl just to see for myself if I get radiation sickness or leukemia.

If the science tells me the water is stagnant, and laden with E-coli or Cholera, I see no reason to test it for myself.

I can't see the pollen, but know when I'm struck by hay fever.

I've never seen Tokyo, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro, or Moscow. Should that lead me to conclude they don't exist?


Faith? Or acceptance of common knowledge?

[jcks]

You have experience of receiving a paycheck ... over and over and over again, its not blind faith to expect it to come again. When you have never experienced something yourself, like space travel ... you have to have faith to believe it. I dont know how to say that any simpler....

You’re still confusing two separate conversations. Here's what you said:

The problem I see with science these days is that it has become Scientism ... another form of religion ... we don't know shit about the cosmos ... mathematical equations that seemingly intelligent scientists use are based on the premise of a theory ... after all maths is a language that can be flexibly written.

We have faith in science, like religious people have faith in religion.

Having faith in something (science) does not make it a religion.

[gavisthename]

So if even if you haven't seen something ... you believe it? That my friend, is faith.

If the geiger counter is reading off the scale, I move away. I can't see the radioactivity, but I'm certainly not going to wander through Chernobyl just to see for myself if I get radiation sickness or leukemia.

If the science tells me the water is stagnant, and laden with E-coli or Cholera, I see no reason to test it for myself.

I can't see the pollen, but know when I'm struck by hay fever.

I've never seen Tokyo, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro, or Moscow. Should that lead me to conclude they don't exist?


Faith? Or acceptance of common knowledge?

Man those are weak comparisons, what you proposed are easily experienced and testable.

[Tumeni]

where is the proof that there is a god?

Where's the proof there isn't?

Spiders. Especially the ones in Australia.
Road accidents.
The recent plane crash somewhere in Southern America, in which half a dozen priests died

The fact that church steeples have LIGHTNING CONDUCTORS. No faith there, huh?

[gavisthename]

where is the proof that there is a god?

Where's the proof there isn't?

Spiders. Especially the ones in Australia.
Road accidents.
The recent plane crash somewhere in Southern America, in which half a dozen priests died

The fact that church steeples have LIGHTNING CONDUCTORS. No faith there, huh?

Priests and churches are irrelevant ... if there was a god I'm sure he wouldn't be happy with twats in robes claiming to be having conversations with him.

I'm with you on spiders though ... work of the devil them things haha