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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2017, 06:56:06 PM »
So in the near future, the Trump administration is going to bring charges against Reality?

The universe is trolling us now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2017, 11:20:44 AM »
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

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RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept.

And someone has been arrested for this leak:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-leaks-idUSKBN18W2VE

There's no evidence that Russia actually succeeded in hacking US voting machines, but it seems they at least tried.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 02, 2017, 12:31:32 PM »
Welp this was nice run.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 01, 2017, 11:14:55 AM »
When they asked Sean Spicer about "covfefe," rather than say it was a typo (which is pretty obvious), he said this:

"The president and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."

What the FUCK does that even MEAN, SPICER????

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 04, 2017, 07:05:13 PM »
So given that the new AHCA is not going to pass the Senate as is, the House is basically betting on one of two options:

  • The bill gets killed in the Senate, in which case GOP members in the House get to go home, say to their constituents that they tried to repeal Obamacare and failed because of those damn Democrats in the Senate, please vote for me next time.
  • The bill gets rewritten enormously in the Senate to draw over some Democrats. The Senate essentially bails them out, if they can get moderates and the Freedom Caucus in the House to vote for the revised bill, and there's no guarantee that happens.

That or the administration continues to let Obamacare fail by not enforcing the individual mandate and people lose health insurance while the GOP tries to use that as ammunition to get Democrats to vote for something like the AHCA.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 03, 2017, 08:59:22 PM »
It might be how Trump talks, but it doesn't stop it from sounding any less retarded. You'd think for an interview he might be able to organize some more coherent thoughts instead of rambling about Andrew Jackson having a big heart and being sad about the Civil War and why couldn't it have been solved peacefully. I'm not sure what possible question could have been asked to illicit that response. It's an elementary school understanding of history at best and it's sad that people accept it as fitting of the president.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 02, 2017, 12:39:34 AM »
Trump isn't display of ignorance over why the war started. He gets roasted for wondering why things couldn't have turned out differently? What a dumb fucking article.

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? [...] People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

Aside from making up a fake story about the dead Andrew Jackson responding to the Civil War, he's also being roasted for this attitude he does a lot, where he assumes that because he doesn't know something, nobody does (see: nobody knew healthcare would be this complicated). People don't ask the question of why there was the Civil War? Pretty sure there are entire fields filled with historians that study that very question their entire lives.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 01, 2017, 04:02:17 PM »
There's also, you know, the danger of future Americans being blown up by Trump Land Mines™ when people inevitably move.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 01, 2017, 12:49:40 PM »
There will be no border wall funding in the spending bill. Instead, there is $1.5 billion in border security and $12.5 billion in US military funding.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 29, 2017, 01:25:10 AM »
Does Bill Clinton really fit the bill? Pretty sure their net worth before the presidency was low compared to other presidents, and Hillary was making more than he was.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 28, 2017, 01:04:41 PM »
Well... gotta say, that is actually a good outline.  I especially like removing all but 3 tax deductions.

This preliminary tax plan does have a loophole where anyone with a tax rate over 15% would be encouraged to just start their own S-corporation and be taxed under the pass-through corporate tax rate instead of their income tax rate. I believe this happened in Kansas when they lowered their pass-through rate dramatically. I'm pretty sure that's why usually the pass-through rate is identical to the income tax rate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 06:28:47 PM »
The full tax overhaul has been released.

Highlights:

  • The income tax brackets are simplified to 10%, 25%, and 35%.
  • The estate tax is gone.
  • The alternative minimum tax is gone.
  • Corporate tax rate is lowered to 15%.
  • Pass-through tax rate is lowered to 15%.
  • The standard deduction is doubled.
  • Most tax deductions are gone aside from those pertaining to home ownership, retirement savings, and charitable donations.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:12:30 AM »
No, that is not what Trekky is doing. The sentence he wrote implies that Trump sought office for financial gain, which is insulting and ridiculous since he already won that game many years ago. Trekky ignores the fact that he was voted into office to lower taxes because that is that the American people wanted, who were all well aware that it would lower Trump's taxes as well.

Given that the plan is to lower the top tier tax rate for owner-operated businesses to 15%, which the majority of businesses pay less than anyway (link), this plan helps large businesses the most. If Trump wanted to help average Americans, he could adjust the lower tiers. It's not really a stretch to come to the conclusion that lowering the top tier tax rate is largely to benefit himself, who pays the top tier tax rate of 39.6%, rather than average Americans who pay below the top tier.


That's great. What about the 10-or-so months between July 2016 and the statement I'm referring to? Do you reckon, oh, I dunno, that the two may have since met and discussed the issue? Could that have anything to do with Stoltenberg's change of tune?

Why do you lie, Trekky? Tell us.

Indeed, the statement where he said he "totally agrees" with Trump was just a bit more recent than July 2016. I'm not surprised you didn't find the relevant quotes in the completely wrong statement. I do wonder what you were trying to demonstrate here, though. You already knew the timeline of events. You already saw the relevant transcripts. And yet you persist in pretending.

Stoltenberg didn't change his tune. Trump did, remember? The whole "NATO was obsolete but now isn't" deal? Your quote from Stoltenberg from his more recent meeting with Trump only shows he agrees with Trump now, after he switched tunes on NATO. The quote from July 2016 I provided shows he didn't agree with him when Trump hadn't changed his mind. If anyone is lying, it's the person trying to sell Stoltenberg's comments after Trump changed his mind about NATO as meaning he agreed with Trump throughout the entire campaign, which is obviously not true.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:52:52 PM »
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is planning to cut the top tax rate for owner-operated businesses from 39.6% to 15%, which would dramatically reduce taxes on Trump's real estate empire.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 25, 2017, 04:12:55 PM »
Yes, you can make a truly SexWarrior-style case for how "not taking care of something" and "not doing enough to take care of something" are two different things. But we've all heard a whole lot of Trump talking in the past few years. Even a proper anti-Trump sycophant is likely to agree that the man exaggerates a lot when he gets too excited about something.

How can I tell the difference between Trump being wrong and him exaggerating? Because despite you avoiding actually posting what Trump said during the election, we can just look it up:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-donald-trump-sen-bernie-sanders/story?id=37949498
I think NATO's obsolete. NATO was done at a time you had the Soviet Union, which was obviously larger, much larger than Russia is today. I'm not saying Russia's not a threat. But we have other threats. We have the threat of terrorism and NATO doesn’t discuss terrorism, NATO's not meant for terrorism. NATO doesn’t have the right countries in it for terrorism.

So (a) NATO is obsolete, (b) NATO doesn't discuss terrorism, (c) NATO isn't meant for terrorism, and (d) NATO "doesn't have the right countries in it for terrorism."

If he's exaggerating and instead means NATO should focus more on terrorism, then it's far from clear here. But we'll get back to that.

Yeah, he agrees now after Trump has changed his mind.
No, he agreed with Trump before he changed his mind (obsolete -> not obsolete).

That's simply not true. From July 2016:

Quote from: Jens Stoltenberg
I will not interfere in the US election campaign, but what I can do is say what matters for NATO. Solidarity among Allies is a key value for NATO. This is good for European security and good for US security. We defend one another. We have seen this in Afghanistan, where tens of thousands of European, Canadian, and partner nation troops have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with US soldiers. The United States has always stood by its European Allies. Now the US is stepping up its support once again, and increasing its presence. European Allies are also stepping up. For the first time in many years, defence spending among European Allies and Canada rose last year. And this year we expect a further increase of 3%—or US $8 billion. Two world wars have shown that peace in Europe is also important for security in the United States.

That hardly sounds like someone who agrees with Trump that NATO was obsolete.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like your issue is that Trump said NATO "wasn't taking care of terror", where in your mind NATO was taking care of terror. In other words, Trump's choice of words was piss-poor. If I'm reading you correctly: yeah, you're technically right. Trump shouldn't have said NATO aren't taking care of terror, he should have said that they're doing a shitty job at it (agree or not, this was clearly his stance on the matter).

It's not really clear. And if he meant that, he should have said that. I'm not going to assume he meant something he didn't say, especially when he himself in the AP interview admitted that when talking about NATO on the campaign trail, he didn't know much about it. It reflects an attitude of making sweeping generalizations about things he isn't qualified to talk about and does not understand, which is really the important point here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 25, 2017, 09:01:47 AM »
Yeah, he agrees now after Trump has changed his mind. Where does he say that NATO did not fight terrorism, but now does, as Trump said?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 24, 2017, 07:52:23 PM »
Stoltenberg didn't say that NATO didn't focus on terrorism, though, so I'm not sure how you can take his statement to mean he agrees with Trump that NATO did not focus on terrorism but now does. And I'm sure Stoltenberg didn't think NATO was obsolete as little as nine months ago.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 24, 2017, 05:27:20 PM »
NATO didn't just start focusing on terrorism, though. Trump just found out that they focus on terrorism. There's a difference.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 24, 2017, 03:48:06 PM »
but he clearly is not trying to hammer a specially crafted message in this interview

Maybe he doesn't have a crafted message? Messages aren't bad things. They can show you've put thought into what you're saying.

For example:

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TRUMP: They had a quote from me that NATO's obsolete. But they didn't say why it was obsolete. I was on Wolf Blitzer, very fair interview, the first time I was ever asked about NATO, because I wasn't in government. People don't go around asking about NATO if I'm building a building in Manhattan, right? So they asked me, Wolf ... asked me about NATO, and I said two things. NATO's obsolete — not knowing much about NATO, now I know a lot about NATO — NATO is obsolete, and I said, "And the reason it's obsolete is because of the fact they don't focus on terrorism." You know, back when they did NATO there was no such thing as terrorism.

AP: What specifically has NATO changed?

TRUMP: (Cites Wall Street Journal article) ... I did an interview with Wolf Blitzer, and I said NATO was obsolete — I said two things — obsolete, and the country's aren't paying. I was right about both. I took such heat for about three days on both, because nobody ever criticized NATO. I took heat like you wouldn't believe. And then some expert on NATO said, "You know, Trump is right." But I said it was obsolete because they weren't focused on terror.

He doesn't answer the question and also admits to making strong statements about things he wasn't knowledgeable about on the campaign trail. What is the point of this answer? All it does is demonstrate he doesn't know or does not want to answer what has changed about NATO to cause a reversal in his stance that it is obsolete.

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