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@J-man.  Perhaps your next topic should expose backward masking.

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All this spider bite government cover up nonsense.  We finally expose the real source of Spidey's powers.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 25, 2022, 07:23:07 PM »
Imagine still not understanding Mr. MAGA did everything he could possibly do to destroy the democracy that once actually made this country great.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 22, 2022, 04:26:37 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 16, 2022, 06:00:03 PM »
God throws his hands up and says, "Meh.  Free will." then turns around a walks out while closing the door behind Him.

Actually that is not what the Bible says happens to people who are evil.

WHOOSH!!!!!  And there goes the point right over your head.  It has nothing to do with punishing evil.  It has to do with God's pleasure in punishing innocence.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 16, 2022, 05:58:32 PM »
It doesn’t. That’s humans you’re thinking of
You've lost me. Who, in your opinion, wrote the Bible?

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness”

So yes, it was obviously written by humans but the Christian belief is that it was inspired by God.

The Mormon belief is that Joseph Smith was inspired by God.  Why aren't you Mormon?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 09:08:47 PM »
Imagine a world where no one had any illnesses or imperfections and didn't die?
Diseases are population control because we're basically apex preditors.  We spread EVERWHERE and without something to kill us off, our population would be far too great far too fast.  Heck, it is NOW.
Would you wanna live in a 20 billion population world?

That one's pretty easily solved.  There will be emotional ramifications to humans, though.  But hey, God's all knowing and all powerful and such.  He knows the downside of every decision He could make before He makes it and could put other things in place to alleviate any potential issues.  Being this God guy is tough.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 08:36:42 PM »
The arguement is that God could have created a universe where people had free will, evil did not exist and everyone felt completely fulfilled.  Instead he chose to create this universe.  Pretty shitty choice by God.

Free will, as a choice between good and evil acts, does not exist if evil itself does not exist.

What does Rushy do?

[sounds of a woodchipper running in the background]

God throws his hands up and says, "Meh.  Free will." then turns around a walks out while closing the door behind Him.

The problem is that God's actions as a total obviously impact the universe differently than a single human's choices in the same situation. For God, we must apply one action to the entire universe simultaneously (that is unless you think God would save someone's daughter in one case and not in another, not entirely impossible depending on the religion). If God stops all evil actions all the time, this, again, means there is no such thing as free will.

To put it another way, imagine I'm now omnipotent. My morality is now total law. I define Good and Evil. I decide that allowing Evil is, itself, Evil and therefore no one is allowed to do Evil anymore. Is this a good universe where you would like to live? A place where some omnipotent Rushy decides what you can and can't do? I don't think you would like that.

It's an interesting philosophical discussion.  I just call bullshit on folks who want to claim that their god is some loving, kind, benevolent being.  Take free will out of the discussion.  You wouldn't want to live in a world where, say, no child is ever born with spina bifida?  My neighbor was born with it and has to spend his entire life in a wheelchair.  Nice guy that God is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 08:00:35 PM »
I'm not against free will.

If I choose to be a crack head and end up homeless living in my own shit because of it then I get what I deserve.  If I choose to screw Rushy's 5 year old daughter and God does nothing, He's an asshole not worthy of any reverence.

I've always thought of it this way.  Not sure if Rushy has children but let's say he has a 5 year old daughter.

Rushy opens his daughters bedroom door and sees her lying on the bed naked, crying.  Next to the bed is some dude with his pants around his ankles in the process of getting a hard on.  What does Rushy do?

God throws his hands up and says, "Meh.  Free will." then turns around a walks out while closing the door behind Him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 04:37:49 PM »
Always love that one.  Yep, she chose to be raped of her own free will.
Dude, you are being deliberately obtuse.

It's not her free will I'm talking about, it's the rapists.
OK so yes, God could have stopped that.
So then God would have to stop everyone from doing anything sinful - you can't draw a line between what we might see as the petty stuff and the really bad stuff. To God it's all bad and we either have free will or we don't.

Can you see how that wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human?

I'm not sure if the Bible really says why God gave us free will but my take is that it's the only way He could give us a choice about having a relationship with him. A relationship without choice is meaningless.

Of course the whole free will excuse is talking about the rapist.  The point is, the girl never made a choice.  She didn't choose to be raped.  She executed no free will yet the kind, loving, caring, benevolent God doesn't give a shit about what happens to her.  You can say the same thing about children born with birth defects.  God doesn't give a shit if you are born and have to live your life as a vegetable.  It's all good.  Oh, and if your miserable existence that you made no choice to have and God didn't prevent causes you to question Him and not obediently follow him then fuck you, off to hell you go.


Can you see how that wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human?


Yes, life without being able to rape 5 year old girls without being struck down by lightning wouldn't be a particularly fulfilling experience as a human.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 02:01:21 PM »
If you fear your father, he's probably abusive.

To fear God means to have great reverence for Him. Reverence means respect and honour.

Why would I respect and honour a being who has the ability to prevent an innocent 10 year old child from being raped but chooses not to?
Something something, free will something.

Always love that one.  Yep, she chose to be raped of her own free will.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What is the Gospel?
« on: July 15, 2022, 01:26:29 PM »
If you fear your father, he's probably abusive.

To fear God means to have great reverence for Him. Reverence means respect and honour.

Why would I respect and honour a being who has the ability to prevent an innocent 10 year old child from being raped but chooses not to?

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Technology & Information / Re: Speeding will be harder...
« on: July 14, 2022, 05:24:42 PM »
The speed limits in the UK are bullshit, particularly on motorways.
It's 70mph. It comes from an era where cars were nowhere near as safe and braking systems were nowhere near as good as they are now.
Pretty much everyone goes faster than 70 and there's no serious enforcement. IMO they should make it higher (I reckon 90) and then enforce it properly.

Perhaps an 'auto limiter' will spur that to happen.  Everyone exceeds the limit in the states as well.  Generally you're not at risk of violation until you start exceeding 5 mph over the posted limit.  No matter the posted limit, the majority will exceed it at least to that point.  Here, if the safe limit is deemed 80 and the posted speed is 80 everyone will simply drive 85+. Hell, if the safe speed is deemed 80, the posted speed needs to be 70 as there will still be a good many folks that will push 80.  With an 'auto limiter' you could actually post the speed as 90 and no one would ever exceed it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 14, 2022, 02:09:52 PM »
I clearly was not talking about ten year old girls there. What is clear, however, is that the use of an extreme example of underage rape to justify the personal irresponsibility of adult women shows that you guys have lost the argument.

You mean personal irresponsibility of adult men, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / So Long Boris!
« on: July 07, 2022, 02:08:11 PM »
Evidently Boris figured out how to Brexit.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 30, 2022, 05:52:55 PM »
......Things are getting dangerously regressive in the US.

......

And as much of a shit show as things are over here, it does seem like things are even worse in the US. So...well done, I guess?

This is just getting started.  Clarence Thomas has had a giant boner ever since the Trump nominations.  He's been waiting for this moment to progress the U.S. back 50 years from his first day on the bench.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:07:30 AM »

Actually, no. When the US Colonies seceded from Great Britain the Declaration of Independence derived its power of one political body to secede from another from Natural Law and the Law of Nations. It didn't matter what the courts of Great Britain said. They did not need to "take it up with the courts". What the British courts said in that case was irrelevant, as the Colonies no longer recognized the authority of Great Britain.


The Declaration of Independence was derived from a group of people saying, "Fuck off."  It had nothing to do with "Natural Law".  The result of that was the British government said, "Sorry, but no you don't."  It didn't matter what the colonies thought.  What it resulted in was a war.  It was only by might that the colonies were able to assert there final independence.  The British government didn't simply say, "My bad. You folks go about your business."  The rite to succession was no more a rite with Britain than it is now. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 17, 2022, 04:20:37 PM »
If Rushy is coming at it from the Christian angle, which I suspect he is, then I think he would argue (as would I) that the morality which comes from "muh holy book" is absolute.

That's still just an opinion.  In that case, it's an opinion that's indoctrinated into all Christians.

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