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Flat Earth Theory / Re: My weekend Moon Tilt
« on: September 06, 2022, 04:17:40 PM »
Going to leave the original post here as I've further examined the situation.  I'm pretty good at admitting when I make errors and don't feel the need to hide them.  Intuitively, as I thought about things rotating about me it made sense that the terminator would rotate as described above.  Also, the first look at my CAD sketch appears to affirm that rotation.  However, I took my CAD sketch of the situation and examined what would be some of the angles involved.  It appears thus.



If you look at the scenario in greater detail, you can see that things are a little different due to the fact that the whole situation is rotating.  When my straight line viewing angle is added to the picture, it turns out I was incorrect about what the FE rotation would render.  Looking at the detail, you can see that the wedge of light between my viewing angle and the terminator actually gets smaller.  This would appear to me when looking from below as a clockwise rotation.

So, rotationally FE works.  What still doesn't is what would need to be the actual angle of the moon tilt under the FE model.  I had not intended on discussing that here as I've created other threads on the subject.

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Flat Earth Theory / My weekend Moon Tilt
« on: September 06, 2022, 02:40:21 PM »
Had beautiful clear skies to look at the first quarter moon this weekend.  Watched it from about 8pm to about 10 pm where I live.  Starting thinking about what I was seeing with the moon tilt.

The WIKI (https://wiki.tfes.org/Moon_Tilt_Illusion) attempts to explain what is witness based on EA and viewing the bottom of the moon.  I didn't have my camera, but these mooncalc snips show what I witnessed with respect to how the moon tilt changed during my observation.



According to the EA explanation, we are looking at the bottom surface of the moon with EA bending the light for what we view.  The WIKI explanation is pretty good.  However, when one follows the position of the sun with respect to how my witnessed moon tilt changed, the two are not possible.

If I'm looking at the bottom of the moon, then as the sun and moon continue to rotate around the pole, the tilt of the moon should actually rotate counter clockwise based on my location and looking south to view the moon.  In order for moon tilt to rotate clockwise from my viewing location would be for the moon to be moving away from the pole on a FE mononpole or bi polar map.

Here's a sketch of how the sun and moon would have rotated about me at that time.  If you envision how my view of the bottom would be if EA were actually in affect what would be the upper limit of the moon terminator should move counter clockwise.  This sketch shows what would be seen looking down on the situation and the terminator is rotating clockwise.  When viewed from the bottom as we would, the terminator would be rotating counter clockwise.  This is not what I witnessed.




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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question re. EA
« on: September 02, 2022, 02:14:19 PM »
Been thinking of a few things we observe and had a quick question for the EA crowd.  Does the effect of EA lessen as you get farther from the surface or the earth.  In other words, does horizontal light begin to straighten as you get farther from the earth?
Not as far as we know, but it is not very convenient to make long-distance observations of horizontal light far from the surface of the Earth, so we don't have a huge amount of data to draw conclusions from. Intuitively, though, it would be strange for a universal law to depend on the position of the Earth at any given moment in time.

Were such variance to be detected, we would probably need to rename the Bishop constant to the Bishop parameter.

Thanks for that.  Was just wondering wether or not EA was considered like RE gravitation and varied with distance from a body.  Sounds like the current view is no.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Size of the Sun
« on: August 31, 2022, 02:50:23 PM »
I'd say the sun is about 50 miles across, and maybe 100,000 feet in the air(lowest point or obviously it would engulf us). Eyeball estimate

Those sneaky bastards on Blue Origin.  They flew twice as high as the sun and then hid all the pictures of looking down on it.  Captain Kirk's an asshole.

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Flat Earth Theory / Question re. EA
« on: August 30, 2022, 06:33:53 PM »
Been thinking of a few things we observe and had a quick question for the EA crowd.  Does the effect of EA lessen as you get farther from the surface or the earth.  In other words, does horizontal light begin to straighten as you get farther from the earth?

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Great launch

That's what she said.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 26, 2022, 10:05:12 PM »
The question remains, why on Earth would Trump fight so hard to hold onto these documents?

Is he really this fucking stupid or was he trying to commit treason?

He a fucking petulant child.  He thinks they're his.  He doesn't think anyone should be able to take them away from him.  Because he feels they're his he sees no crime in his possesion or use of them.  With apologies to 2 year olds everywhere, he's the emotional capacity of a 2 year old.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 26, 2022, 08:26:17 PM »
Whether Trump's supporters will be taken in yet again by this latest Trump con game, or whether it will be a bridge to far even for them, remains to be seen.

Imagine still being gullible enough to be a Trump  defender/supporter.

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Should someone making $124k per year really get $10k of their debt paid off? Does it make sense to contribute so much aid towards the sector of America that is, in general, the most well off?
And I think we've answered that question.
Don't believe I've disagreed with that here.



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I never had student loans.  Part of that fortunate timing and good luck thing.  I was able to work my way through school without having to borrow money to pay for it
My other son is on his way to being obscenely wealthy but he's more around the median household level currently.  I'm guessing it will take him another 5+ years before he's obscenely wealthy.  He did have student loans which he paid off reasonably quickly.
Then I don't know why we're having this conversation.

Well, like I said, I was trying to figure out what Rushy's real view on wealth is.  The idea of what is considered wealth is an interesting concept.  I guess it is a digression from the topic at hand but the subject kinda came out of the discussion as sometime happens on forums and I'm fine with returning to lurking moar.

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You know.  I was having kinda a mediocre day.  Imagine my change in attitude when I discovered I was "obscenely wealthy."

Funny thing is, my MAGA, Trump loving, anti-vaxer, covid denier sister-in-law once told my wife we make too much money.  Guess she was right after all.
Nice brag, mate. But it was pretty obvious given how defensive you've been. Just imagine how we feel if you feel like this even after making more than twice the median HOUSEHOLD income in the US.

Are you struggling to pay off your student loans?

Not being defensive.  If someone wants to label me as wealthy that's fine.  Just having a little discussion.  Trying to figure out what Rushy believes being wealthy actually means.  That's why I asked him what he thinks a wealthy person can afford to do.  That to me is a more meaningful indicator than some arbitrary financial line.  I've actually never thought about where I'd draw the line as to what wealthy is.  Though I don't consider myself wealthy (to Rushy's point some will) I could perhaps be persuaded to change my perception.  I'm well aware of how nice I have it, and how fortunate I am to be where I'm at and if not wealthy I'm definitely comfortably well off. I'm a product of fortunate timing, some good luck, mostly good decisions, a decent work ethic, and a slight modicum of intelligence. 

I do find the idea that anyone making $40,000 a year in the U.S. is "wealthy" quite laughable and I'm quessing most others do as well.  If we're playing Family Feud and the question is "How much does someone have to make a year to be wealthy?" $40K isn't going to be on the board.  That being said, $125K might though I think the lowest answer would be higher.  $40K is about where my son's at and I can't wait to see his reaction when I tell him he's wealthy.  My other son is on his way to being obscenely wealthy but he's more around the median household level currently.  I'm guessing it will take him another 5+ years before he's obscenely wealthy.  He did have student loans which he paid off reasonably quickly.

I never had student loans.  Part of that fortunate timing and good luck thing.  I was able to work my way through school without having to borrow money to pay for it.

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You know.  I was having kinda a mediocre day.  Imagine my change in attitude when I discovered I was "obscenely wealthy."

Funny thing is, my MAGA, Trump loving, anti-vaxer, covid denier sister-in-law once told my wife we make too much money.  Guess she was right after all.

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@Rushy

Forgetting all the mean income stuff for a moment.

What must an individual be able to afford to do for you to consider them wealthy?

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I use a much more simple approach: if you make more than the median salary in your state, you're wealthy. T

So any individual making over $33,000/yr. where I live is wealthy.  I'm guessing more than a few individuals are disconnected from Rushy reality.

Yes, that's still true. If you live in a very low cost of living (or generally just plain poor state), then making some amount more than the median means you are making more than the majority of people in the state. If we don't define wealth as "more than most people", how exactly do we define it? Is "wealthy" just the top 5%? The top 1%? Is only 10 people on the planet wealthy and the rest are broke?


Which goes to my original statement.  "Wealthy" is quite subjective.  You telling someone who makes $40K a year that they're "wealthy" surely would elicit the response that you are "utterly disconnected from reality."


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I don’t consider someone making 124k/a wealthy anymore. Upper Middle Class maybe.

Then you are utterly disconnected from reality.


Depends on how you define wealthy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 10, 2022, 09:36:58 PM »
..... justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

Of course you meant, once again, to say the irresponsibility of men.  Either that or you're simply a sexist who thoroughly enjoys the patriarchy that the U.S. has always been and seems to be heading even further to being.

Men are already responsible. If a woman decides to have the baby, the man is responsible to support it by law and can't walk away. The man is sentenced to 18 years of labor to support the child. When a man complains the societal response is "Your fault, pay up!"

If the woman decides not to have the baby, she can do so without repercussion. She is not held to the same standards to be compelled to support her baby and can choose to kill it and escape responsibility.


Care to actually discuss what you said.  You were 100% blaming the woman for being "irresponsible" and getting pregnant.  It had nothing to do with legal responsibilities afterward.  Your statement was wholly to say that it is the woman's fault she's  pregnant.  This isn't the first time you've said it.  Nice try at deflecting and trying to say it was about something else.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 07:31:41 PM »
..... justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

Of course you meant, once again, to say the irresponsibility of men.  Either that or you're simply a sexist who thoroughly enjoys the patriarchy that the U.S. has always been and seems to be heading even further to being.

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A more practical problem with divine command theory is who speaks to God and who speaks for God?  In the Mormon church, supposedly, the president of the church speaks to God.  He could just one day say that God commands that Utah be a sovereign nation and the Mormons need to ethnically cleanse Utah of all non Mormons.  Anyone Mormon who disagreed with that wouldn't have a leg to stand on.  They're not the ones who speak directly to God.

If Brother Brigham could have had his way that would have been exactly the case.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Theory that Black Holes are Land Mass
« on: July 29, 2022, 08:25:17 PM »
If universal gravitation cannot be simulated then it doesn't work.

I was simply going to lurk here, but this is such utter bullshit I can't help it.

Can we simulate and model the whirlpools of the deception pass bridge?



Of course we can't because we don't have the math to do it.  Do they exist in reality?  I've seen them myself.  Perhaps you should too, they're pretty amazing at times.

I'll just leave this here again for you to think about.

As I said we have been trough this before.   Others have had this dance with you too.  Your unwillingness to educate yourself leaves you ignorant, stupid and constantly getting this wrong.  I don't want or need to go here with you again.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2022, 04:54:30 PM »
Thankfully I can't see him getting anywhere near a second term

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

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