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Flat Earth Theory / Does a sunset behind Canigou peak prove Flat Earth?
« on: September 29, 2018, 01:05:41 AM »
In November and February from several locations near Marseille, e.g. the city of Allauch, people can watch the sun set behind Canigou peak, a mountain in the Pyrenees about 160 miles in the distance. This video showing this sunset is taken on February 4 2011:


When we use timeanddate.com to look up time and direction of this sunset on 02-04-2011 in Allauch, it will tell us the sun did set at 17:53 and the geographical direction of this sunset was 248° (South is 180° and west is 270°), so the direction in which the sunset is visible is 22° south of west:



If I take a map of France (I used Google earth for this occasion, but every other map of France will do) and I draw a line from Allauch to Canigou peak, we see that timeanddate is correct about the cardinal direction, Canigou peak is indeed located about 22° SW of Allauch:




Now the question is, does this match with a flat earth sun circling horizontally around the North Pole? To answer this question I used the Gleason map (Also referred to in the FES' WIKI, https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps)

The white cross I've put on this map indicates the geographical directions as seen from Allauch, Allauch is in the centre of the cross.
The black arrow indicates the geographical direction the observer has to look to see Canigou peak from Allauch, and of course the direction to see the sun set on 4 Februari.
The red arrow indicates where the sun will be above a flat earth when at 17.53 the sun sets in Allauch.

The map is divided by 24 lines of longitude, so the sun has to move one such line every hour to make a full circle a day. Starting south from Allauch at noon, almost 6 hours later (at sunset) the sun has moved almost 90°



This indicates that if the sun is circling above a flat earth and around the North pole, In Marseille & Allauch the sun will have to set in winter around 3 o'clock in the afternoon (position B) to make a sunset behind Canigou peak possible, or a sunset at 17:53 will happen ± 50° north of that mountain (position C).

How does your FET solve this conflict between observation and the existing FE models to make this sunset a proof for a flat earth? Or with other words, how can a sunset in Allauch "debunk the ball" if on a flat earth such a Mediterranean sunset can never happen?


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Scrolling trough FES' WIKI under the chapter “Circumnavigation” I found this:

Quote from: FES/WIKI/Circumnavigation
Q. What about other types of navigational instruments?

A. Using a compass, gyrocompass, or looking at Polaris as a reference for Eastwards or Westwards travel will take the navigator in a broad circle around the North Pole.

Of course this answer would not be complete without mentioning the Gyrocompass, because since wooden ships were replace with metal ships, the magnetic compass became rather useless and had to be replaced with a non-magnetic compass.

This happened after the first usable gyrocompass was introduced in 1908, a compass based on a spinning gyroscope. How does it work:

When you have a spinning gyroscope, and you push against the axis to change the direction of it, you will feel friction; the gyroscope will push back in the opposite direction of your force. If you fix that gyroscope on the surface of a ball, with the axis of spin horizontally to the surface of the ball, and you start slowly rotate that ball, the spinning gyroscope will start to push in the opposite direction as the spin of the ball is changing the axis of the gyroscope. If you now install that gyroscope in a device that can perceive that force and the direction in which the gyroscope is pushing when it is moved, then that device can show you in which direction you spin that ball.

Now since globelings believe that the earth is also a spinning ball, they came up with the ingenious idea to use that principle of gyroscopes to create a non-magnetic compass, and after long deliberation they called it the “gyrocompass”



Of course FE'ers know better, they know that the inventors of the gyrocompass made a huge mistake by assuming that the earth is a spinning ball and therefore their invention would work, but they can't ignore that the gyrocompass has proven its services successfully for more than a century. Now my question is, how does FET explain the success of the gyrocompass? What on a flat earth makes the gyroscope move in such a way that it shows the geographical directions?


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